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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 21/08/2019 21:26

Here’s the new thread for the BSD followers, plus those following the Fast800 plan. Everyone is welcome to join us. Here’s a quick recap!

The BSD/fast 800 is a low carb, Mediterranean style way of eating, with the primary aim of stabilising your insulin response when you eat. You achieve this by: eating fewer carbs, cutting out sugar and sweet tasting foods including most fruit, and by following a low calorie plan that reduces your visceral fat meaning that everything functions more effectively. Less insulin means less fat storage (in a nutshell, although more info can be found on this online). The diet was designed to reduce T2 diabetes symptoms (or even reverse it entirely) but can also be used for weightloss.

Eat:
Meats and fish
Oils
Eggs
Full fat dairy products
Nuts, seeds
Pulses/ beans
Veg that grows above ground
Limit fruit: apples, pears, berries- in moderation, with meals, with fats

Occasional alcoholic drinks allowed (spirits, red wine are preferable to beer, lager, etc)
Tea and coffee, herbal tea etc.
And water- drink lots of water!

Avoid
sugar, sweets, and ‘naturally occurring sugars’ such as fructose, maltose, honey, agave, puréed dates etc....

Potatoes of any variety
Pasta
Rice
Breakfast cereals (occasional steel cut oats are ok)
Breads/ flour based products

Exercise:
Michael Moseley recommends HIIT workouts to increase calorie burn and help to tone up, and recommends walking more (increasing your steps weekly until you hit around 10000 a day)

Mindfulness
MM also suggests a programme of mindfulness, meditation, practised for a few minutes each day.

How to follow the plan:
Fast800: follow the plan above, sticking to 800 calories every day for 2 weeks. Ideal to give your weightloss a real kick start, plus improve your insulin function and reduce your sugar cravings.
8 weeks BSD- 8 weeks, follow the guidelines above- 800 calories a day. You don’t need to count carbs grams because the diet is naturally self limiting.
BSD 5:2- for a more leisurely weightloss journey, or as maintenance, or once you’ve done an 8 week stint or 2 weeks of Fast800, you can play around with a combination of increased calorie count, ‘free eating’ and fasting days (800 cals) until you achieve your goals. Many of our long standing members now follow this approach.

You can stop 800 calorie days at any time once you achieve your goal. It’s advised to limit yourself to 12 weeks maximum at 800 calorie days, but you should get excellent results in 8 weeks. Depending on your weightloss goals, you can do further ‘rounds’ of either the 8 week BSD or the Fast800.

Some useful links

Meal planning ideas thread
Blood sugar diet recipe thread and menu planner meal planning thread

<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=healthyeater.com/important-tool-weight-loss" target="_blank">TDEE calculator to calculate your daily calorie requirement

<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=caliberstrong.com/how-whooshes-impact-your-weight-loss/" target="_blank">information about the ‘whoosh’ phenomenon

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Maccalenny · 27/11/2019 18:49

Great results Bear and pyjamagirl.

Hopesofshrinking welcome and enjoy!

Riddle the mushrooms sound good. I love how many you can for so few cals.

Venus it happens, and is so frustrating, especially when you know you’ve been perfect. Our bodies get comfortable at certain weights and try to stay there...but you will get there!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 27/11/2019 19:02

I've had another good day today, I had leftover chicken from last night for my lunch, and dinner was 2 sausages with a big green salad and sauerkraut with mayo. I had a mini pork pie as a snack, and for tonight I have some alpro and frozen cherries. I don't think I've drunk enough water though so I am currently sipping away at my bottle.

I've just scraped 10k steps today which is quite low for me, but I've had a massive to-do list and have been plodding through that. Very busy!

Tomorrow I'm really looking forward to a nice long run as I didn't get one in today. My lunch will be salad again, probably with tuna mayo, and dinner will be a beef stew which will slow cook all day.

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VenusInfers · 27/11/2019 19:37

Welcome Hopes!

Your food sounds delicious bear. Very tasty and filling. I usually have an egg or feta plus tomato based breakfast, big salad with smoked salmon or ham for lunch but not so organised on the dinners.

Thanks for the kind words bear and Macca. I know I have to trust to the first law of thermodynamics - the energy in my system has to come from somewhere, and as it sure as heck ain't coming from the amount of food I'm eating it must be coming from my body. Just in currently unmeasurable amounts.

Have just carried on as normal today, and instead of getting cheered up by the scales measured my waist. It was filling decidedly more trim than two weeks ago and has shrunk by nearly 2 inches!

Right, better go. Have a job interview tomorrow and I am meant to be doing prep.... Hmm

thenewaveragebear1983 · 27/11/2019 21:32

Good luck Venus!

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Pajamagirl · 28/11/2019 07:58

No change from yesterday .
Tantalisingly the scales hovered as a 1lb drop but then changed its mind !!!
So I reckon .5 of a pound

But will have to see tomorrow
Have a great day !

Riddleofthesands · 28/11/2019 09:13

Weighed and have lost 2 lbs, 13 lbs to goal. Pleased as I have had a real mix of good days and bad days (usual story of undoing all the good at the weekend). Next two days should be good, eggs for lunch, fish and veg for dinner.

Peachypips78 · 28/11/2019 16:43

Man I am tanking at this at the mo!! I keep letting myself get derailed by various Christmas things then not getting back on it. Maybe I'll do the med diet between now and Christmas without the 800 cals. Then at least I'm not saying fuck it to the lot of it until Jan!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 28/11/2019 17:16

Peachy this was me for about the last 3 months, then suddenly this week it's all just clicked back into place and I've had a really good few days. If you're struggling I would really advise doing what you can manage and keeping your motivation up- I admitted defeat and very nearly lost it completely.
Med diet, no calorie counting, is a great maintenance strategy, as it stops you going completely back to your old ways but gives you that extra food if you need it.

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MsTSwift · 28/11/2019 17:19

My god this works. Lost 1.5 stone since Oct 8th.

Gonegrey31 · 28/11/2019 19:07

Me too! 1 stone 5 lbs since 29 Sept.

VenusInfers · 28/11/2019 20:44

Congrats Riddle, MsT and Gone! Those are fantastic stats!

Hang in there pajama, your scales will probably be kinder tomorrow!

My mysterious hovering weight continues - oooh! Now 6 days with out movement on a pretty strict 800Kcal. Have decided to try the small-injection-of-carbs approach, just for this evening, to see if that works for me. So have had wholemeal pasta with my tom 'n' tuna sauce rather than steamed cabbage and am now sitting back, awaiting miracles! Grin
Back on plan tomorrow whatever, and still eating carefully.

Interview went brilliantly, thanks bear, I'm now in the final two and going back on Monday for an inbox exercise and to make a 5 min presentation on challenges to our industry. Never done ANY presentation at an interview before, but think I can pull something together over the weekend. Gulp.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 29/11/2019 06:30

Venus well done. I really dislike presentations in interviews, despite being perfectly happy to give them in real life and standing up and delivering teaching all the time- something about the interview process I guess. Good luck!!

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Pajamagirl · 29/11/2019 07:50

1 lb down today , day4 total 2lb
I haven’t been completely into it still finding my way , but the tre is fine with 12:8
Lunch at 12 Noon final food no later than 8 pm
I haven’t been hungry at all

thenewaveragebear1983 · 29/11/2019 08:23

Well done Pajamagirl

I'm a little half pound down this morning, making 6 in total this week, but as always the weekend is looming and things can go awry as we know

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Riddleofthesands · 29/11/2019 11:36

Good luck for next interview Venus and hope the bloomin scales move v soon in the right direction!

Annoyed with myself, had a large, delicious BSD dinner and then opened a bottle of wine and ate 600 kc of M&S crisps. Felt really lousy this morning and fatter. Made my self weigh and gained 1/4 lb. So relieved it’s not more. Long busy day today, veg and lentils for dinner, will try to just have one meal today.

Maccalenny · 29/11/2019 18:38

Venus i was re-reading a diary i wrote over my first few weeks of fast 800, and i plateaued for 5 days in my third week, despite being fully on track. I remember a lot of people saying that an early plateau is quite common.

Swift, pyjamagirl and gonegrey well done! Fabulous work.

Bear seems like you are right back in the zone - well done! 6lb in a week when your body is quite used to the diet is amazing .

VenusInfers · 29/11/2019 19:29

Thanks macca, I needed that!

Still basically the same weight, though that bit of pasta last night was lovely. Had a good day today, and aiming for a totally on-plan weekend. Will stop on Monday as planned, whatever the scales say. The velvet trousers fit, after all, and that -was- the aim. Was looking forward to the nicer numbers, though... (repeats to self 'good days will always count, good days will always count')

Keep at it pyjama, sounds like it is all going to plan!

Maccalenny · 30/11/2019 06:01

Happy Saturday everyone!

I’ve been the same weight most of the week, but as it’s new numbers I’m not at all tired of seeing it! I’m 11st13.2. Me....11st something!!!

My red wine stock pots arrived in the shopping last night, and I’ve got a chicken casserole in the slow cooker already. Can’t wait to see how it turns out.

I’ve done a lot of looking back this week - reading my diary, looking back at my meal logs etc. Really interesting to go over who I was feeling as I went along, and to remember some of the nice and not-so-nice meals I tried! What is really interesting is how often I wrote ‘ not really hungry today’. I guess all of us think we will be starving on 800, but after a couple of days I seemed to fall into a pattern of a bit of hunger just before lunch, but otherwise no issues. Its the same now - im ready for my breakfast at 7am, definitely peckish by lunch around 1pm, then i eat something small around 4-5pm, not really hungry then, so just a square or two of dark chocolate or an egg. This way of eating really does suit me.

Pajamagirl · 30/11/2019 11:47

Day 5 , no change today
But did have a fall of the wagon due to finishing work late and then cancelled trains
Back on it today tho
Have a great weekend

Maccalenny · 30/11/2019 21:01

I seem to have eaten loads today - which is ok as I don’t restrict calories at weekends, as I’ve been doing this a while, but I don’t like the feeling that I’ve eaten when not hungry. I had berries, yoghurt and pumpkin seeds for breakfast, lunch was a weird but delicious mix of egg mayo, mushrooms, avocado and bacon, then some chicken casserole for tea. I could have managed fine without the casserole but wanted to have some to try it - it was good, but the red wine flavour of the stock pot wasn’t very strong. I might try some other brands.

Tomorrow will be more be a repeat of today, but without breakfast as I’ve run out of yoghurt.

I’m aiming for at least four strict 800 days next week, to try to move a bit away from the 12 stone mark, as a buffer against the upcoming Christmas indulgences!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 30/11/2019 21:39

Today went a bit off piste as I was hosting a Santa's workshop for 120 kids! Back on it tomorrow!

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Maccalenny · 01/12/2019 05:53

Bear I dread to think how much chocolate and wine I would need to help me recover from the day you must have had!

Reviewing my November progress...very happy with a 7lb loss overall. Much better than October, when due to a 2-week half, term, I only managed half a pound overall, losing a couple of lb and putting them back on all month.

My Happy Scale app reckons I will hit my target at the end of January - just in time for my birthday, which would be nice. Of course, Happy Scale doesn’t take Christmas into account, so I’m still really aiming to get there by end of Feb, to mark my year on BSD.

My aim for December....to get to the end of it still below 12 stone. Not expecting an overall loss, will be perfectly happy to maintain.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 01/12/2019 07:03

Haha macca, you know me so well! I resisted chocolate, largely because we didn't have any but did eat crusty bread and wine. It's amazing how planning something like that for weeks takes over your life, and it was my first event as PTA chair so I really wanted it to go well. And it did! Now I can relax!

Today I'm putting my tree up and all the associated chores that go with that. Trying to do as many of my admin tasks for the week so I'm able to have a clearer schedule.

I will head out for a run this afternoon. Food will be.... I'm not sure! Maybe a roast but I'd have to go out to get the meat!

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Maccalenny · 01/12/2019 07:23

Bear didn’t realise you are pta chair - no wonder you are extra busy with everything else you are doing currently.

Maccalenny · 01/12/2019 07:24

Breakfast - egg mayo with olives and cheddar, and dry-fried bacon and avocado.

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