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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 28/11/2018 18:21

Here’s the new thread for the BSD followers. Everyone is welcome to join us. Here’s a quick recap!

The BSD is a low carb, Mediterranean style way of eating, with the primary aim of stabilising your insulin response when you eat. You achieve this by: eating fewer carbs, cutting out sugar and sweet tasting foods including most fruit, and by following a low calorie plan that reduces your visceral fat meaning that everything functions more effectively. Less insulin means less fat storage (in a nutshell, although more info can be found on this online). The diet was designed to reduce T2 diabetes symptoms (or even reverse it entirely) but can also be used for weightloss.

Eat:
Meats and fish
Oils
Eggs
Full fat dairy products
Nuts, seeds
Pulses/ beans
Veg that grows above ground
Limit fruit: apples, pears, berries- in moderation, with meals, with fats

Occasional alcoholic drinks allowed (spirits, red wine are preferable to beer, lager, etc)
Tea and coffee, herbal tea etc.
And water- drink lots of water!

Avoid
sugar, sweets, and ‘naturally occurring sugars’ such as fructose, maltose, honey, agave, puréed dates etc....

Potatoes of any variety
Pasta
Rice
Breakfast cereals (occasional steel cut oats are ok)
Breads/ flour based products

Exercise:
Michael Moseley recommends HIIT workouts to increase calorie burn and help to tone up, and recommends walking more (increasing your steps weekly until you hit around 10000 a day)

Mindfulness
MM also suggests a programme of mindfulness, meditation, practised for a few minutes each day.

How to follow the plan:
8 weeks BSD- 8 weeks, follow the guidelines above- 800 calories a day. You don’t need to count carbs grams because the diet is naturally self limiting.
BSD 5:2- for a more leisurely weightloss journey, or as maintenance, or once you’ve done an 8 week stint, you can play around with a combination of increased calorie count, ‘free eating’ and fasting days (800 cals) until you achieve your goals. Many of our long standing members now follow this approach.

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 25/02/2019 18:28

A moderate start for me, all BSD friendly but a little over on calories because I met friends for coffee and had 2 skimmed milk lattes (which added 200 cals), and at 4pm I ate a few pieces of leftover gammon roast from yesterday. However, all low/no carb and considerably better than the previous few weeks.

I'm going food shopping tomorrow and menu all planned, plus a quick run while Ds is at nursery. Meals tomorrow: salad and tuna mayo for lunch, pizza topped turkey steaks and salad for dinner. I bought myself a lovely new diary/journaling book today which has a week by week planner and diary, and I am going to sit tonight and fill it in, to use specifically for my food diary/thoughts as I currently don't have anywhere (except this thread!) to write it.

I'm feeling a lot more motivated and focussed which is good.

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Ratatouille76 · 25/02/2019 18:31

Well done. You sound super organised. I just feel totally uninspired and unsure what to eat.

Seawig · 25/02/2019 18:50

Feeding the kids and not eating the same is slightly tricky....

Have managed lamb steak with raw celery, cucumber, red pepper, baby spinach, broccoli and some olive oil/balsamic.

All those veg/salad seem very low in carbs and calories - I've made a salad of them for my train tomorrow- I can have loads of those without any issue can't I? I was weighing it and it was coming out as 6 calories for the cucumber etc.

I'll take some cheese and ham for lunch too, then it'll be the dinner challenge. Hoping to find a supermarket with a good range and hide from any restaurants.

Taking my dark chocolate drops with me to reduce the temptation to eat other sugar in the evening. Spent some time earlier calculating each drop is 2.7 calories. I am turning into a mad maths woman...

Jacksback · 25/02/2019 19:05

As planned steak mushroom tomato and spinach for tea it was yummy but then I was hungry for it
Bit headachy butbeen having lots of teas no milk and water today

BuffaloCauliflower · 25/02/2019 19:11

Seawig that all sounds great, though broccoli and to a less extent red pepper are higher carb than you’d expect so worth tracking carbs and not just calories to stay under the right amount, as it all adds up. I use an app called Chronometer and I’d really recommend it as it tracks micronutrients as well as macronutrients.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 25/02/2019 19:26

Sea I eat lots of salads, but yes, be mindful of the carbs. However, a higher proportion of salad veg carbs are fibre, so you can sort of 'deduct' the fibre grams from the carbs grams (they aren't digested and won't raise your blood sugar)- some low carb diets use this 'net carbs' total rather than include the fibre grams.

We don't need to count carbs on this diet, so long as the carbs come from the right sources, so it's fine to eat salad veg/other green leafy veg etc within your calorie allowance. For me it's things like butternut squash which is easy to bump the carbs right up as we don't eat the peel or seeds which is where all the fibre is.

I need to reread the fast800 book, but in the BSD book it's worth noting that in the recipes he often only uses one or two (Max) types of veg, so maybe green beans, or peas or broccoli- but not all together, which naturally keeps the carbs and calories down but can be a big change from conventional diet wisdom of piling plates high with veg (eg slimming world)

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 25/02/2019 19:28

And I should add that while veg will fill you up 'bulk' wise, it's fat that will keep you going til your next meal- so a good balancing act between the two is what you're aiming for.

Sometimes this diet can feel a bit like a very complex science experiment!

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Seawig · 25/02/2019 19:32

It does! Have just had a live yoghurt and still have a piece of dark chocolate to round off before i start the overnight fast at 8.

All within 800.

I'm struggling with the apps, some seem to have no idea of the food or only offer me US suggestions, others take ages to put in every morsel I've eaten and how much it weighed etc. I suppose it speeds up once you've got going as you repeat things.

My biggest challenge will be not snacking.

Ratatouille76 · 25/02/2019 19:41

I don't know what to have for tea. I've got leftover gammon and cauliflower cheese!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 25/02/2019 19:45

I use one called Fat secret (nice!), I never got on with MFP. Fat secret does seem to have a good selection from Tesco/Asda and uk brands on there, but you have to change your settings to UK.

I try not to get too bogged down with macros, to avoid that science experiment feeling! Instead I just plan my meals out, first deciding what protein I'm having, then adding some fat in (usually cheese or avocado if the meat itself isn't high enough in fat), choose a veg to go with it, then finally decide what Dh/dc will have alongside it (good old uncle Ben and his handy 2 minute rice!), and write my shopping list and menu at the same time. It definitely pays off to have a quiet half hour with a recipe book and notebook, and to make the most of your freezer for meat and veg for the second half of the week!

When I have a good day, like today, the macros are normally pretty good- eg today was 21% carbs, 39% fat, 41% protein, with 11g fibre- but if I'd tried to plan it to those totals I'd probably have gone totally out!

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 25/02/2019 19:45

Ratatouille ooooh gammon and cauliflower cheese sounds lovely!

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Maccalenny · 25/02/2019 20:04

Hi everyone
Can I join on here? I’ve been reading through the thread and it is so interesting and inspiring to see how people are doing on the diet. I’m just finishing day three and am doing ok. Hungry in the mornings, not so bad in the evenings which seems to be the opposite of most people. Ive done low carb and keto a few times before so dropping the sugar and white carbs is ok at the moment....until the cravings hit ,which I’m sure they will!
On the scales this morning, I was down 4lb, which I’m so happy with.
Hope everyone has a good day tomorrow!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 25/02/2019 20:12

Welcome maccalenny!

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Jacksback · 26/02/2019 07:33

Day 1 weigh
4lb loss
I know it will be water but wow
Feeling motivated

thenewaveragebear1983 · 26/02/2019 08:01

Well done jack! It is water, and glycogen reserves, but they have to go before you start burning fat so it's still great. I'm 2lb down after yesterday.

Had an absolutely terrible nights sleep, still wide awake at 1am, and felt like I was dropping in and out of light sleep all night. Horrible. Not sure what impact that will have on my food control today.

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BuffaloCauliflower · 26/02/2019 08:35

Welcome Maccalenny and well done Jack!

Weighed in today at 10st 10lbs - a total of 12lbs lost since the 4th of Feb when I started this diet. Despite going over quite a bit over cals and having a couple of red wines (the low carb option!) with a friend yesterday. But I needed to eat dinner out and I went for a grilled salmon niçoise salad with no potato (the only lower carb and pescatarian option on the menu!) that’s a real brain shift for me, in the past no matter what ‘diet’ I was doing, I’d still have justified having pub chips or battered fish because ‘treat’. This feels more like a shift in approach to food rather than a diet, which is really encouraging.

12lbs in 3 weeks is pretty good in anyone’s books I’d say! That’s now a full stone lost since Jan 1st, a few people have commented which is nice, my clothes are feeling better and I can see it in my face. Almost 7 weeks till I’m maid of honour for my sister, I wonder how much more I can lose by then!

BuffaloCauliflower · 26/02/2019 08:53

Sorry that’s 10lbs since the 4th of Feb, 12lbs since the 1st of Jan. Clearly over-egging my weightloss!

Seawig · 26/02/2019 10:05

Morning all. I started yesterday but was 10 stone 3.8 pounds this morning not 10'5 or 10'6 like most days so that's a start!

Managed ok yesterday but have realised how much I use food as pleasure and comfort and obviously to do that I use all the stuff I need to stop eating - that carbs/fat 2:1 combination MM talks about in the book, cake, milk chocolate etc and also bread and crisps.

On the way for my work event and have weighed my lunch and protein and calories are sorted. Leaves me 460 for dinner tonight so hoping to find a supermarket near the hotel and just buy bits that I can see the nutrition of to keep it up.

Water bottle is here and ready. Feeling daunted but determined to get something changed in me.

LittleSwede · 26/02/2019 11:21

Hello! Can I join please?

I have been planning to start BSD for a few weeks (whilst battling a stubborn cough/laryngitis/ virus meaning I couldn't really start until well) and am starting tomorrow. Got the fast800 book and the MM BSD recipe book. Not sure if I'm doing a 2 week kick start followed by the 5:2 or if I will do the 800 thing for a longer time. I'm a carer for 4 yo with ASD and rarely get an uninterrupted night so not sure how I'll cope on 800 Cal's when permanently sleep deprived. Managed to do the 5:2 for 6 weeks last summer and lost 5 kilos (mostly from my middle!) and felt great for it.

I've got about 10 kilos to loose and most if it us sitting around my middle so am hoping this will improve my general health. Also hoping to improve my gut health/ micro biome, having looked at the MM clever guts diet book too.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 26/02/2019 13:13

Welcome little swede. The good thing about all Michael's books is that they all complement each other. (This really proves to me that it's a genuine, workable lifestyle too, as he's not just contradicting one plan with his next plan)- so the foods he advocates in the guts book will also fit with the BSD, which fits with the fast800, and you can flex around so if you're doing 2 weeks of 800 calories for example, but need a day to be 'off plan' you can use the 5:2 method, or just do Mediterranean style food for a few days, and pick up where you left off. It's very flexible and workable.

I've just done a glorious 10.5km lovely slow recovery run in the beautiful sunshine, wearing shorts. In February. Marvellous. The sunshine has lifted my rather sour, sleep deprived mood to one of cheer. I have duck eggs from the local farm shop which I may have for lunch, never had them before, and to be honest I'm feeling quite chipper today. Grin

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 26/02/2019 14:02

Duck eggs are yummy but twice the calories of regular chicken eggs!! Proceed with caution!

Post-run low carb brunch:

(The keener among you will notice that this was not my planned lunch for today. This is why I am rubbish on this diet!! I plan brilliantly but then eat something completely different!!)

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LittleSwede · 26/02/2019 14:21

Thanks bear, makes it seem less daunting knowing that you can mix the plan a bit. Your run sounded great, it's amazing how lifting this warm, sunny spell is for the spirit. It also motivates me to do something about my weight and health as I want to enjoy the spring and summer when it comes without being constantly I'll and feeling sluggish and plump!

LittleSwede · 26/02/2019 14:22

That was meant to say ill not I'll

thenewaveragebear1983 · 26/02/2019 14:44

It gives you a safety net too- so ok, maybe I can't do 800 calories today for x,y,z reason but I can still follow the principles and stay on track. I've done this while on holiday, parties, weddings etc when I'm being good, not recently hahaha, and for a perpetual yo-yo dieter Like me it really helps to know it's not 'blown'.

I really like the guts book but unfortunately I'm not a big fan of fermented stuff- I did live yoghurt and kefir for a few months, and I do try to eat less pork products and have more variety of veg. I'd love to do the biome screening, that kind of thing really appeals to me!

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LittleSwede · 26/02/2019 15:38

I like the idea of a safety net Smile I found the 5:2 quite easy for the first few weeks last summer but I think the heat helped as it was easy to live on salads. I did 800 calories on the fast days and found that I lost weight every week on that plan but then lost motivation after six weeks. Hoping that the fast800/BSD will shred weight faster to keep me going.

The Guts book made sense but I struggle to keep up with the fermented stuff too. I actually used to like kefir but DH started making his own which was very different from the supermarket stuff (very thing and sour) and after having it every day for a while I sort if went off it. It was such a faff to look after as well!

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