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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Blood sugar diet thread 13

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 28/11/2018 18:21

Here’s the new thread for the BSD followers. Everyone is welcome to join us. Here’s a quick recap!

The BSD is a low carb, Mediterranean style way of eating, with the primary aim of stabilising your insulin response when you eat. You achieve this by: eating fewer carbs, cutting out sugar and sweet tasting foods including most fruit, and by following a low calorie plan that reduces your visceral fat meaning that everything functions more effectively. Less insulin means less fat storage (in a nutshell, although more info can be found on this online). The diet was designed to reduce T2 diabetes symptoms (or even reverse it entirely) but can also be used for weightloss.

Eat:
Meats and fish
Oils
Eggs
Full fat dairy products
Nuts, seeds
Pulses/ beans
Veg that grows above ground
Limit fruit: apples, pears, berries- in moderation, with meals, with fats

Occasional alcoholic drinks allowed (spirits, red wine are preferable to beer, lager, etc)
Tea and coffee, herbal tea etc.
And water- drink lots of water!

Avoid
sugar, sweets, and ‘naturally occurring sugars’ such as fructose, maltose, honey, agave, puréed dates etc....

Potatoes of any variety
Pasta
Rice
Breakfast cereals (occasional steel cut oats are ok)
Breads/ flour based products

Exercise:
Michael Moseley recommends HIIT workouts to increase calorie burn and help to tone up, and recommends walking more (increasing your steps weekly until you hit around 10000 a day)

Mindfulness
MM also suggests a programme of mindfulness, meditation, practised for a few minutes each day.

How to follow the plan:
8 weeks BSD- 8 weeks, follow the guidelines above- 800 calories a day. You don’t need to count carbs grams because the diet is naturally self limiting.
BSD 5:2- for a more leisurely weightloss journey, or as maintenance, or once you’ve done an 8 week stint, you can play around with a combination of increased calorie count, ‘free eating’ and fasting days (800 cals) until you achieve your goals. Many of our long standing members now follow this approach.

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MikeHannigansStripyShirt · 16/02/2019 16:41

Buffalo and Bear thank you for the kind suggestions. It’s just an odd thing about working nightshift - it’s not hunger that drives you towards fast release carbs, it’s exhaustion. You can have the best plans and intentions but come 5am you literally don’t give a shit about anything other than something to keep you awake. There’s loads of evidence that nights are horrendous for your health. Eating crappy sugary food can’t help with that but there’s a weird internal drive towards cake, biscuits, chocolate, toast... lots of stuff I don’t normally eat much of becomes irresistible. I’m not sure I have any answers!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 16/02/2019 16:44

Yes, menu planning is definitely the key. I'm failing miserably this week, dreading weighing in on Wednesday!
My meals have been ok, but I'm struggling to curb my snacking/grazing habit and have a really really low mood feeling thoroughly pissed of with everyone for no reason

The dc are having homemade pizzas for tea but I'm going to have a massive salad with tuna mayo and not give in to my urges. They aren't even cravings really, it's just pure self sabotage. So I'm going to be strong!

I'm going to sit and plan my meals and shopping list for next week because it's half term so I will have to be one step ahead of the game to start with. Plus as I'm racing next weekend I am going to be only doing limited running next week which doesn't help my mood either so I need some positive mental attitude to get me through.

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 16/02/2019 18:06

Mike I'm the worst person to ask this week, I'm like a tapeworm just munching my way through anything that I see in front of me! For me it's absolutely insulin resistance, maybe do a bit of reading up about it and see how you can limit the impact of your night shifts? You can be more insulin resistant or less, imagine it like a sliding scale or fluctuating balance with other hormones.

For me, it's the perfect storm of:

  1. hormonal imbalance due to totm (ironically, far worse this month because I didn't eat well last month)

  2. Cortisol/stress from putting too much pressure on myself I think and having a very busy few weeks, training hard and nerves about my upcoming race

  3. being all up in the air and feeling like I'm back at square 1 after January's virus following on the back of Christmas, I feel like I need to start the total carb detox all over again. I've not really properly gotten back in the zone since Christmas.

  4. not getting decent quality sleep ever and it's just taking its toll now.

It manifests itself as being: never really hungry but eating all the time, feeling really 'powerless' around food, bingeing behaviour and the associated crappy guilty feelings, eating meals and feeling really unsatisfied even though they are nice, and just that general 'I know I don't want this but I'm going to eat it anyways' feeling- it's really horrible and demotivating and it's showing on the scales for me now which is further affecting my mood. But the symptoms all exacerbate the cause as well, so it's a really vicious circle.

Sorry for being such a sulking sue today! I'm just really pissed off with myself and feel a bit of a fraud offering you all advice when I'm not taking my own!

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Firsttimemama2017 · 17/02/2019 08:10

Thanks for the welcomes guys! Does anyone up their calories on gym days? I do a couple of intense gym classes a week and am worried I might pass out on 800 calories. I was thinking of perhaps increasing to 1000 on those days (twice per week).
I also have a few weddings/social events in the 8 weeks where I won't be able to stick to the plan... Is this a case of damage limitation?
Hoping this thread will give me some accountability/encouragement Smile

wowfudge · 17/02/2019 08:13

I would see how I feel before doing that - also depends on your willpower.

I've got a migraine so yesterday was up and down for me and I've been awake since the crack of dawn today. Will try to stick to things today although two biscuits yesterday is hardly the end of the world!

Firsttimemama2017 · 17/02/2019 08:21

Willpower is low- especially after being on and off a diet for the last 2 years! I will see how I get on with the 800 first.

Hope your migraine goes soon. Do you suffer with the regularly?

wowfudge · 17/02/2019 08:26

Hi - I get them monthly at totm (they can last three days but my meds keep the head pain at bay) and have previously had them more frequently. Not sure if the low carbs have played a part in me not having more than one in the last month? Could also be due to weight loss as I've lost 13lbs so far.

I find I'm not hungry in the mornings on the BSD and sometimes I don't have what I planned for breakfast at all and have a bigger lunch or add something to the tea I've planned. I count calories religiously.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 17/02/2019 08:41

Morning all. Feeling a bit brighter today!

Firsttime with regards to the gym, it's trial and error really. It also depends how much body fat you're already carrying as that's basically fuel for your workout. There are pros and cons to exercising fasted, or eating before you go so I'd just try it out but take something with you. I have always run on empty, I get a stitch otherwise, but recently read an article that said it wasn't great for stress/cortisol levels. As a rule I do eat more calories now but I've been doing this for over a year and I'm pretty much at target.

Disastrous day yesterday. Just awful, food wise. Ended up sitting in the kitchen at midnight drinking whisky with Dh and eating crisps. But did have a really good chat about some of my stresses and worries at the moment and I'm feeling much more positive today. I'm not going to do to scales of shame, I'm just going to get back on plan, and I will have a few really good days. I feel I need a very strict week to refocus myself.

Today: going for a run this morning in the sunshine, lunch is salad and tuna mayo, and dinner is a slow cooked beef brisket and roasted veggies.

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wowfudge · 17/02/2019 16:14

Hi bear. We've had Sunday lunch - it was a mini pork joint served with roasted carrots and celeriac, and peas. I did roast potatoes for DP but didn't have any myself. No pudding. DP is still eating his way through the cheesecake I made him. I picked up a second hand bread maker today - I don't really eat bread myself unless it's Tesco isb sourdough baguette, but have wanted one for a while.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 17/02/2019 18:58

I've had a much nicer, calmer day today. Ending up on 1200 cals, 70g carbs, 18k steps (which included a 10.5k run) and just generally feeling less hormonal, less tired and less stressed.

I'm all set for my week ahead, busy 5 days planned with the dc and provided I can keep to my plan I should be able to stick to 800/1000 cals most days. Food shopping on Tuesday morning, and I'm going to be very strict and not buy anything that's not on the menu plan (even things I'm 'allowed' as it's always the green yogurt, cheese, nuts etc that set me off. So they are banned this week!)

I'm aiming for more veg this week, so might see higher carb totals overall but I'm hoping I'll feel more full and satisfied after my meals if I increase my fibre intake. And water, lots of water!

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wowfudge · 17/02/2019 19:22

You can do it bear. I've just portioned up a special offer side of salmon. Currently wavering over what to have for tea as not that hungry yet and few calories left. Might have yoghurt and fruit.

mebeforeyou · 18/02/2019 08:22

I’ve just finished Week 3 of the BSD and I’m really disappointed at my almost non-existent weight loss (no inch loss either). I’ve only lost 1.4kg total (was 1.8kg the first week and have then gained 400g and not lost anything since).

I’ve been using MFP to track the 800 calories, have set Carb 40g, Protein 80g, Fat 36g. Drink at least 2-3 litres of water per day plus tea. I do TRE OF 16:8.

Going to the gym/swimming 3-4 times per week plus do a lot of walking as I don’t drive. I have just bought a book with HIIT training plans which I intend to start (have injuries which mean a gym HIIT class won’t necessarily be suitable).

I’ve had two off-plan meals due to our anniversary meal (steak & Med vege but then had sticky toffee pudding) and then with our child’s birthday I had two slices of birthday cake. This was a week ago for both but I wouldn’t have thought this would totally derail weight loss?

Where am I going wrong? Afraid to say I’ve had much better weekly weight loss at slimming clubs Sad

Thank you

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mebeforeyou · 18/02/2019 09:26

No, I’m not diabetic. I’ve gained 25kg in two years so I need to lose it.

I used to have PCOS, which can cause insulin resistance, but have been symptom-free for years and I was told I can consider that I no longer have the condition.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 18/02/2019 10:37

Me, welcome. In my years of doing this plan, one thing I have learned is that a good week always shows. Maybe not as grandly as we hope or expect, but it always shows. So 1.4kg (I'm old skool, so...what's that? 3.5lbs?). Some things can skew your weightloss- time of day you weigh (eg I weigh approx 3lbs less after a long run for example), totm, actual weight of food and water still in your system from the day before (1 litre of water has zero calories but weighs a kilo!), even the position of the scales on the floor! Also some things can slow your weightloss, such as slow digestive transit; water retention due to salt, or a new exercise regime; you might not have huge amounts of visceral fat to lose in the early days; and unfortunately water retention due to carb/glycogen storage.

So assuming you went low carb for a few days, you'd lose a fair bit of glycogen and water, (you'd use this as fuel) before you start burning fat. But then the pudding/cake, will straight away replenish those glycogen/water reserves in your muscles. (Where I said I weigh 3lbs less after running, this is why!) This is why we can regain 3lbs 'water weight' after one meal. So while your overall calories are under your tdee and you'd expect to lose weight, it maybe is being masked by the fluctuating water gain/loss cycle. My advice would be to stick with it, your carb levels are low enough to see good results. I would say that in my experience, after the initial weightloss, a consistent loss of 1-2lbs is totally normal (2lbs a week is over 100lbs a year, over seven stone!!) and sustainable.

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wowfudge · 18/02/2019 11:12

I mucked about yesterday and have seen a gain, but I'm not going to let things slide and have everything for today planned. I've got something on this evening which means I will be away from any temptation too.

You've still got a net loss mebeforeyou so don't be put off.

onanothertrain · 18/02/2019 18:46

Hi all, I've not been on here for a few weeks, I got really bored of the food I was eating so decided to give myself a week off.
Surprising I didn't go carb mental and kept up my exercise although I did have chip shop chips one day which were amazing!
So I'm inspired again and have meal planned for the week to see if that'll help me.
After reading on here about mash I tried celeriac mash. Clearly I'm a bit of a tit cause I didn't realise it would taste like celery. I hate celery 🤢.
I added butter, sour cream and cheddar and had it with mushroom stroganoff and it wasn't too bad, absolutely stuffed now.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 18/02/2019 20:55

On I was exactly the same with celeriac! It's smells more celeryish than it tastes I find, but I have to admit it nearly put me off entirely! Plus it's an ugly old brute isn't it???!

I've had a good day today. Brunch of bacon in an egg wrap with salad, and dinner of bolognese with veg and salad. Yogurt and cherries for pud and a mini pot of hummus and a tomato for my supper. Lazy day though, no running and less than 10k Steps which is very unusual for me!

Tomorrow: salad and something for lunch, dinner will be chicken wrapped in Parma ham and asparagus

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onanothertrain · 18/02/2019 21:28

bear I nearly gave up halfway through trying to peel the thing. Still got some left might try it with bolognese as I think it needs sauce of some kind

thenewaveragebear1983 · 18/02/2019 21:31

Try Jamie Oliver's recipe, basically you chop it into cubes and dry fry it about half cooked, then boil it in chicken/veg stock and it goes all mushy in its own sort of 'gravy' - not sure if I'm selling it well??? Long and slow, stir it a lot- it's pretty tasty.

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wowfudge · 18/02/2019 22:30

Great cut into cubes with winter roast veg.

Ratatouille76 · 19/02/2019 11:11

I have been doing no sugar and majorly reduced carbs for 3 days and just realised my belly isn't bloated and sticking out anymore.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 19/02/2019 11:56

Ratatouille that's great!

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onanothertrain · 19/02/2019 13:30

Thanks for the celeriac ideas, I'll need to work up to trying it again!

Firsttimemama2017 · 19/02/2019 18:28

Hope everyone is having a good week. I have not been able to stick to 800 calories but have come in around 1000 and stuck to all the principles. Went to the gym yesterday but had zero energy so hard work!
I have a constant headache but not carby/sugary food cravings.

No gym today and feeling guilty!

Just waiting for my tea to cook... Chicken with Mediterranean roasrt veg!

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