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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Blood sugar diet thread 13

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 28/11/2018 18:21

Here’s the new thread for the BSD followers. Everyone is welcome to join us. Here’s a quick recap!

The BSD is a low carb, Mediterranean style way of eating, with the primary aim of stabilising your insulin response when you eat. You achieve this by: eating fewer carbs, cutting out sugar and sweet tasting foods including most fruit, and by following a low calorie plan that reduces your visceral fat meaning that everything functions more effectively. Less insulin means less fat storage (in a nutshell, although more info can be found on this online). The diet was designed to reduce T2 diabetes symptoms (or even reverse it entirely) but can also be used for weightloss.

Eat:
Meats and fish
Oils
Eggs
Full fat dairy products
Nuts, seeds
Pulses/ beans
Veg that grows above ground
Limit fruit: apples, pears, berries- in moderation, with meals, with fats

Occasional alcoholic drinks allowed (spirits, red wine are preferable to beer, lager, etc)
Tea and coffee, herbal tea etc.
And water- drink lots of water!

Avoid
sugar, sweets, and ‘naturally occurring sugars’ such as fructose, maltose, honey, agave, puréed dates etc....

Potatoes of any variety
Pasta
Rice
Breakfast cereals (occasional steel cut oats are ok)
Breads/ flour based products

Exercise:
Michael Moseley recommends HIIT workouts to increase calorie burn and help to tone up, and recommends walking more (increasing your steps weekly until you hit around 10000 a day)

Mindfulness
MM also suggests a programme of mindfulness, meditation, practised for a few minutes each day.

How to follow the plan:
8 weeks BSD- 8 weeks, follow the guidelines above- 800 calories a day. You don’t need to count carbs grams because the diet is naturally self limiting.
BSD 5:2- for a more leisurely weightloss journey, or as maintenance, or once you’ve done an 8 week stint, you can play around with a combination of increased calorie count, ‘free eating’ and fasting days (800 cals) until you achieve your goals. Many of our long standing members now follow this approach.

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wowfudge · 10/02/2019 20:52

20 press ups?! I'm riding it out. Might have a peppermint tea.

VenusInfers · 10/02/2019 20:57

Hi Buffalo

It's the Fast 800 book that got me going just over a month ago. Can not believe how great it's been. On days when I get the balance right - like your great example day above - I don't even feel hungry.

As some one who likes to bake and simply LOVES the occasional thick slice of sourdough toast with lashings of butter and tomatoes, its just working out how to bring a bit of that back in whilst looking after myself.

Maybe keep the TRE and the low carb breakfasts but relax the other meals a little? Keep almonds as my new favourite snack rather than biscuits/toast, but have the occasional jacket spud or family pizza?

wow I agree, have a fruit tea or a glass of water. If you absolutely have to eat, have a small healthy snack and just don't worry about it - you'll still have had a great day overall! bear gave me that advice a week or two ago and it really helped, so passing it on!

BuffaloCauliflower · 10/02/2019 21:43

VenusInfers I love proper bread too. But I know I don’t need it every day. It’s just adjusting what a ‘treat’ is and how it fits into the rest of your diet in a healthy way without making you obsessive or self flagelating. How to have that lovely chunk of bread and butter, or occasional chocolate bar, and not then go ‘fuck it, it’s all gone wrong’ and have the rest of the week follow with the rest of the loaf, 5 more chocolate bars and Chinese takeaway.

PenelopeFlintstone · 11/02/2019 01:46

If you've seen my posts you'll know that I'm spectacularly unmotivated and consequently unsuccessful day-to-day, but I do really want to lose weight! From this morning, some extra motivation has been added; a friend and I are in a sort-of bet and if one of us doesn't lose any weight each week we have to give the other $100 which is about fifty quid. (I'm English but live overseas.)
The first weigh-in is this Friday which makes this week a short week.
Wish me luck Smile

BuffaloCauliflower · 11/02/2019 07:16

Good luck Penelope! I’m finding it much easier to stay motivated when I can see results, and results are from really sticking to it, so it is worth being strict

MikeHannigansStripyShirt · 11/02/2019 09:25

I’m definitely on Team Strict this week. I mentioned that I had a night off last week - lovely food and wine - well I haven’t lost any weight since. I’m half a pound up on the 8 st 9 I’d got to and the scales aren’t budging despite being on less than 900 calories Sat and yesterday. I had kind of hoped I’d be like Dr M and lose a stone in three weeks like he describes in the book! I think women might be a bit more complex than that.

So, keeping on keeping on.

wowfudge · 11/02/2019 10:47

My weight loss seems to have stalled despite my dedication (and a couple of G&Ts over the weekend) so I am making sure I stick to things - might be totm having an effect. I'm going to refresh my eating plan with recipes from the Fast800 book.

On the plus side, my mother gave me some of her old work clothes - classic stuff so wearable - but it's too big for me. It was partly her offer of these clothes that made me think so must have noticeably put on weight! Hmm

PenelopeFlintstone · 11/02/2019 11:27

Thanks BuffaloCauliflower - unfortunately I've just been to a wake and drunk about 6 or 8 drinks - but luckily, it's a small village and my friend was there too doing the same!! Grin

BuffaloCauliflower · 11/02/2019 12:58

Mike you’re not going to lose as fast when you’ve got less fat to lose. The more fat (or muscle) you have, the more calories it takes to run your body, and the more fat you’ll need to burn to do that, so if you’re already at a lower weight your body won’t need to burn as much to keep you going.

BuffaloCauliflower · 11/02/2019 13:00

Mike also how many calories are you burning? Do you know your TDEE, if you’re not burning much more than you’re using you won’t lose whatever plan you’re on.

MikeHannigansStripyShirt · 11/02/2019 14:54

My TDEE is about 1550 -1600 depending on whether I put in actual weight or my ideal weight. I run a few times a week and usually hit my 10000 steps because I’ll go for a long walk if it’s not a running day. I think I just need to hang in there and as you said Buffalo be strict because that’s how it works!

MikeHannigansStripyShirt · 11/02/2019 14:55

wow great news on the too big clothes!

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 11/02/2019 18:35

I'm closing the kitchen on 1400 cals, 43g carbs, 15k steps. I'm pleased with that as I am allowing more calories but really want to keep the carbs lower than 50g this week. Didn't run today (planned)

Tomorrow will be tuna salad for lunch with mayo, then dinner is a chicken thing from Jamie Oliver's comfort food book, although I will need to actually shop first!

I find the tdee calculators rather hit and miss, particularly when estimating activity levels and exercise but they can definitely help as a benchmark figure to get you started. The government advice of 2000 cals for women has a lot to answer for though, don't you think? I've never met anyone whose daily tdee is 2000 as a baseline without adding in exercise, and I would advise against eating your exercise calories as a bonus (except occasionally) as it's so hard to judge.

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BuffaloCauliflower · 11/02/2019 19:39

@hottubhotties alcohol triggers the part of your brain that makes you crave fatty food (which is why we go for greasy takeaways after a few or with a hangover) it’s a while since Saturday now but it might be you’re in need of more fat, can you eat a piece of cheese? It’s also worth looking at the volume of what you’re eating - if the stomach isn’t stretched much it might still send hunger signals, so adding a bigger pile of veg to meals to fill you up might help as well.

BuffaloCauliflower · 11/02/2019 19:42

Bear yes they’re not an exact science, but the point about the 2000 calories is a good reason to at least give it a look. My TDEE is apparently 1800 at the moment - I’m 38% fat and I walk a fair bit so not totally sedentary, but I’m pretty sure I don’t even need that much most days

thenewaveragebear1983 · 11/02/2019 19:46

Hot I suppose the first question is if it's true hunger, or 'emotional' or Hormonal hunger?

it's not so much the vodka in itself per se, but it causes you to become more insulin resistant, which is what causes that 'can't stop eating but not exactly hungry' feeling, and it can also be exacerbated by being tired- which is why a night out can often have longer lasting effects than you might anticipate. I am fast coming to the conclusion that alcohol and me need to take a long holiday from each other, because it screws up my sleep and in return I then eat loads when I'm not even hungry, which perpetuates the cycle. I have read that people who are really insulin resistant never feel full, regardless of what they've eaten, and I can certainly relate to that.

You could go for a walk, or some other form of exercise, as that will help to balance the insulin. Unfortunately it could just be a real test of your willpower because the quickest and most effective way to reduce your insulin is to not eat anything else and let your body do its work. (Read back over my posts from the last 2 weeks you'll see how I've been terribly struggling with this- combination of tiredness, feeling unwell, eating too much, craving sugar, eating sugar, ad infinitum.....)

Unfortunately, Insulin resistance is what we're all here for, and us ladies with PCOS are particularly susceptible anyway. Anything hormone related (and that includes totm, cortisol, tiredness) plus anything that will increase your insulin release (so high sugar foods, high carbs, grazing, and big meals (as the body produces extra insulin if your stomach is really full, even if your meal is low carb!) are all going to affect that delicate balance of insulin.

Of course, if it's true hunger simply because you ate several Hours ago then a herbal tea or a warm drink could help until your meal time?

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 11/02/2019 21:49

Hot I feel worse after 2 drinks these days than I used to feel after a full weekend's drinking! It pains me to accept it, but I really feel the impact of it now, probably because I'm specifically noticing it rather than it being one ingredient in a veritable melting pot of bad habits?! I think I'm becoming more sensitive to it somehow. Getting old. 3 weeks into dry January and I felt so much better, but I didn't keep it up.

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BuffaloCauliflower · 12/02/2019 09:47

Stalling in weight loss but conscious AF is due in the next couple of days. Im also really lethargic and hungry in the days running up (though my actual period is super light and unworrisome, so I’m thankful for that) so will need to factor that in. I’ve gone for a small portion of overnight oats with plain yogurt and berries this morning, which makes my carbs a bit higher overall (57g all day I think) but I think that bit of variation will help and it’s still on plan.

What do people generally have for breakfast? I don’t always eat it anyway but I’m having a lot of eggs and smoked salmon. I need something portable to eat at work.

MikeHannigansStripyShirt · 12/02/2019 11:09

STILL 8st 9.4... so joining you in the stalled loss Buffalo though I have no hormonal reason!

I’m carrying on. I keep reading about a “whoosh” so I’m drinking lots of water and just keeping going.

Re breakfast, I don’t really eat it. I’ll usually not get hungry until 11ish and would normally eat then. If I’m hungry earlier and want something “breakfasty” I’ll have yogurt and fruit or eggs and toast, maybe the yogurt and fruit would be portable for work?

BuffaloCauliflower · 12/02/2019 11:27

Yes I don’t always eat breakfast, in fact I haven’t got hungry yet today so might end up not eating the breakfast at all and saving it for another day. I’m doing full BSD so definitely no toast (though I can toast at work) maybe I will stick to hard boiled eggs. Just yogurt and fruit isn’t filling enough to be worth it really, I’d rather wait.

wowfudge · 12/02/2019 11:40

Breakfast ideas for you Buffalo:

  1. Apple cut into fingers and 2tblspns almond butter with goji berries and mixed seeds sprinkled on top.
  2. Slice of dark rye bread spread with one tblspn almond butter and sliced apple arranged on top. Sprinkle with cinnamon or mixed spice.
  3. Full fat yoghurt with fruit - blueberries are easy or keep a bag of frozen berries in the freezer and tip some into a container to defrost in the fridge overnight then add yoghurt in the morning - and a sprinkling of toasted flaked almonds. I find that filling.
  4. Porridge - 25g oats and make with water or a nut milk rather than milk. Add some fruit for sweetness and extra fibre, etc.
  5. Half an avocado on a slice of dark rye bread. Sprinkle with Tabasco for a kick.

Dark rye bread - the traditional German style - is around 100 calories a slice. I use a knife and fork to eat it and, because it takes some time to eat and chew, it is satisfying to eat.
If you take an avocado to work, use the half without the stone in then put the other half in a plastic bag or container and sprinkle with lemon juice or vinegar to stop it going brown. Leave the stone in.

Or don't have breakfast and use the calories for a bigger lunch.

wowfudge · 12/02/2019 11:43

I'm stalled at a 12lb loss but am just under 1/2 kg down on yesterday - my scales are in kg so I'm converting to make it meaningful for myself!

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