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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Blood sugar diet thread 13

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 28/11/2018 18:21

Here’s the new thread for the BSD followers. Everyone is welcome to join us. Here’s a quick recap!

The BSD is a low carb, Mediterranean style way of eating, with the primary aim of stabilising your insulin response when you eat. You achieve this by: eating fewer carbs, cutting out sugar and sweet tasting foods including most fruit, and by following a low calorie plan that reduces your visceral fat meaning that everything functions more effectively. Less insulin means less fat storage (in a nutshell, although more info can be found on this online). The diet was designed to reduce T2 diabetes symptoms (or even reverse it entirely) but can also be used for weightloss.

Eat:
Meats and fish
Oils
Eggs
Full fat dairy products
Nuts, seeds
Pulses/ beans
Veg that grows above ground
Limit fruit: apples, pears, berries- in moderation, with meals, with fats

Occasional alcoholic drinks allowed (spirits, red wine are preferable to beer, lager, etc)
Tea and coffee, herbal tea etc.
And water- drink lots of water!

Avoid
sugar, sweets, and ‘naturally occurring sugars’ such as fructose, maltose, honey, agave, puréed dates etc....

Potatoes of any variety
Pasta
Rice
Breakfast cereals (occasional steel cut oats are ok)
Breads/ flour based products

Exercise:
Michael Moseley recommends HIIT workouts to increase calorie burn and help to tone up, and recommends walking more (increasing your steps weekly until you hit around 10000 a day)

Mindfulness
MM also suggests a programme of mindfulness, meditation, practised for a few minutes each day.

How to follow the plan:
8 weeks BSD- 8 weeks, follow the guidelines above- 800 calories a day. You don’t need to count carbs grams because the diet is naturally self limiting.
BSD 5:2- for a more leisurely weightloss journey, or as maintenance, or once you’ve done an 8 week stint, you can play around with a combination of increased calorie count, ‘free eating’ and fasting days (800 cals) until you achieve your goals. Many of our long standing members now follow this approach.

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PenelopeFlintstone · 09/02/2019 21:44

Starting again today. Up 6lbs after a cruise weekender....

BuffaloCauliflower · 09/02/2019 22:46

Not me wowfudge! I’m 6lbs down in 6 days and feeling pretty good about it. Smile

BuffaloCauliflower · 09/02/2019 22:48

wowfudge have you read the new Fast 800 book that’s an update? He talks more about building 800 calories days into your week as standard maintenance. You’re right, even with big changes to weight, not changing habits and patterns will come back to bite you. Glad you’re giving it another go!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 10/02/2019 09:05

Morning all.

I really love the fast 800 book, it seems the most workable maintenance plan so far, and is pretty much what myself and a few long timers have done. Or have at least known we should do, which isn't exactly the same thing! I did end up regaining about a stone after my first round, but actually the biggest issue for me was reintroducing the big carbs and then desperately striving to cut them out again and failing miserably. And sugar. Sugar will always be my nemesis. I spent at least a year after my first round in that horrible cycle of every single day starting brilliantly, ending terribly, and it's such a horrible state to be in and saps away your motivation.

I had a much better day yesterday, I didn't graze at all and just ate 2 large meals. I'm going to do the same today, then from tomorrow I'm calorie counting and carb tracking for the week. I need a strict week or two to rein in my crazy eating habits of late, and the scales are firmly punishing me for it now.

Today's menu will be a big salad with tuna and mayo at lunch, and then pulled pork and roast veg for dinner. And I'm just waiting for the rain to stop so I can head out for a run.

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BuffaloCauliflower · 10/02/2019 09:35

Sounds good Bear Smile

I’m lucky that ‘sugar’ (cakes, biscuits, sweets) aren’t a huge problem for me. I love them but I don’t buy them, it’s only if they’re offered to me like at work or out that’ll I’ll have them. My problem is just overall portion control really, and yes I eat a lot of refined carbs but I eat a lot of good stuff with it. Loads of veg, lots of fish. My instinct is to go toward a more Mediterranean diet anyway, but I love pasta too! After the 8 weeks I’m hoping I can have a little pasta but in sensible smaller amounts less often.

BuffaloCauliflower · 10/02/2019 09:44

*Although I don’t buy things like cake etc often, I do buy chocolate bars, and sometimes things like croissants.... not every day, but sometimes! I think I need to be more honest about what I’m eating! Plus a couple of take aways a month, and loads of party food at my mums at the weekend (sausage rolls, mozzarella sticks...) it’s a family thing. I know why I’m fat. I eat as much crap as I do good, I’m just lucky that I love veg AS WELL and also eat loads of that

wowfudge · 10/02/2019 09:56

Buffalo - sorry, I meant for Intohell not to get disheartened.

I have the Fast800 book and have started reading it. I find it all fascinating and I want to lose weight and improve my health long term.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 10/02/2019 09:58

I was bemoaning to my friend the other day- I don't really buy treats and certainly not for myself, which has meant recently I've resorted to eating the dc's stuff such isn't even nice! Things like haribo and party rings and real rubbish like that, whereas if I'd actually just accepted my fate and opted for a decent chocolate bar I'd probably have had far fewer calories and been satisfied. Instead I felt like I'd been at a 3 year olds birthday party and was properly cheesed off with myself!
I can honestly live without pasta, rice, potato, cereal. It doesn't bother me. I miss bread, but I do occasionally have some. Crisps and snacks I'm ok with provided I don't have one to taste because that sets me off- I check labels for mono sodium glutamate because I have a very strong reaction to it and it flips a switch in my head. My Dh lives KP dry roasted nuts and they are full of MSG, I would diligently weigh out my 30g portion and then within minutes I'd be climbing the walls with cravings! I am quite partial to a pork scratching, which tends to be my Saturday night treat food.

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BuffaloCauliflower · 10/02/2019 10:07

wowfudge that’s ok Smile

bear my sister is a sweets fiend too. I would choose good chocolate over sweets any day. I love crisps but only really eat them at my mums at the weekend. I’m lucky that we don’t have kids yet (getting married this year and TTC right after) so I don’t have to worry about having kids treats in the house. My DP is also T1 diabetic so doesn’t buy sugary treats either. I’m hoping if I can finally train myself into good habits before kids it will last. Surely kids don’t really need things like biscuits and sweets in the house anymore than we do? They’re no more a necessary part of a child diet as they are an adults.

Something else that’s slightly bothering me and not sure how to say it. My BMI is high - was 30 (obese) at the beginning of the week and now 29. BMI is a good measure of weight unless you’re very fit and muscley, which I am not. I am also short and new research suggests it should be adjusted even more for short people so I’d be in fatter in context. But the amount of people saying ‘you’re not overweight’ ‘You’ve got a lovely figure’ over the lasy few weeks. I am overweight, it is unhealthy, I need to lose 30+ lbs... I think it might be that we’re so used to seeing very overweight people that we’ve lost sight of what a normal, healthy body is. In 1955 I’d definitely be the fat friend! I feel like people admonish BMI because they just don’t like the answer. I’m not saying I’m overweight to be self-critical, it’s just science.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 10/02/2019 12:19

Buffalo i think because they don't really eat much sugary stuff that's part of the issue. We're not one of those families that hoovers everything up the day we go shopping, it all lasts. They do have a biscuit with their lunches and a treat on Sunday nights but they don't really have a lot of sweets. It's the grannies and grandads that are responsible for most of it! However, that means there is always a plentiful supply of mediocre biscuits! It's all self control though isn't it, because I would never walk to a shop to buy chocolate, or grab a bag of sweets at the petrol station, but it's those few moments at home when I'm exhausted and it's all just there.

Re: the bmi thing. I totally agree. In the end I just had to be a bit blunt and either tell people that it's not really any of their business, or say 'look, I'm three stone overweight, it's very kind of you to be polite but I'm actually desperately unhealthy' which unfortunately does unsettle people a bit.

I got very tired of my mil constantly discussing my weight and my food (at mealtimes particularly) and saying things like 'oh you're so good' and that it was making her feel bad. This kind of pressure from people is really unhelpful, and I had to learn to just smile sweetly and say thank you. Ultimately, and especially with friends/colleagues/family when someone makes very drastic changes to their diet it a) unsettles people because they don't believe they could do it, and deep down they wish that the answer wasn't going to be to give up sugar/carbs/chips and b) it highlights their own diet issues, which lets be honest, most of us are aware of. When one friend gives up cake, it means they then feel all the bad things like guilt when they do have a slice. Be prepared also for the barrage of advice about 'natural sugars are ok' and cutting out food groups, deprivation, fad diets, etc etc. I avoided telling people about the 800 calorie element for exactly this reason, it would be a step too far!

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MikeHannigansStripyShirt · 10/02/2019 13:34

Bear and Buffalo - really interesting discussion, I agree that what we’re used to seeing now is predominantly overweight people. So when you do get to a healthy size people admonish you for being skinny and unhealthy. I only have a stone to lose (or should I say had - nearly half has gone in a week and a bit!!) and I know that if I mentioned this to anyone in real life I’d have unending hassle. I gained the stone after a nasty break up which led to consoling myself with cake - the extra weight probably isn’t visible to people but I know my waist was 2.5 inches bigger which can’t have been good for my health. I’m not very tall and the jump from 8 stone to 9 sounds like very little but on a small frame it feels like a lot.

I think the suggestions mentioned are good ones - don’t bring up weight loss as a conversation topic; smile and nod if someone else does.

I really appreciate the ability to talk about it honestly here.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 10/02/2019 14:15

Mike well done!

Not bringing it up would work, except when you lose weight quickly everyone brings it up all the time! What's your secret, what diet are you following, etc etc. Its then very hard not to discuss it. I think a lot of people want you to say 'I just took these magic beans and it all just fell off'!!! This diet is not easy, and a low carb life is certainly not easy, plus I exercise hard, every single day. So I do tell people that. I said no to probably 100 pieces of cake last year, not including all the other things. And to be honest, we should be really proud of ourselves, but instead I found myself apologising for being 'good', and almost implying that I was miserable 'but at least I'm losing weight' because that's what society has almost conditioned us to believe? Although I know from the last few weeks, I've been more miserable and have eaten more sugar/rubbish food than I have in months.

It's tricky isn't it, because no one likes a smug 'Instagram dieter' in your face all the time, but then people are obsessed with diets and losing weight and are desperate to know the secret, but then don't like the answer. The key is, I think, to be confident that right now, it's working for me, and take it with a pinch of salt. And learn to accept compliments- 'you're looking really well!' Say "Thank you" - and not some self deprecating, 'oh it must be the lighting/my new shoes/yes but I'm miserable' etc. And I now just ignore my mil, she means well, but she's never been overweight and has never dieted so hasn't got the first idea really.

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 10/02/2019 14:32

Here's a really interesting little activity I like to share with my diet friends, which can help to put it all in perspective.

Instead of thinking of this week/month/year, if you consider your weight over your whole adult life, so eg. 3 stone/42lbs overweight since age 18 = (for me) a gain of 42lb over 17 years, or 2.5lb a year.

2.5lb over 12 months = an extra 8750 cals a year (assuming 3500 cals = 1lb of fat), which is roughly 730 cals a month extra. 730 cals! Thats 100g of chocolate and a bag of crisps. It's not even a Macdonalds meal, or a chippy tea, or a bottle of wine a month. The difference between being fat and being thin is sweet FA really and it's not surprising that everyone is overweight! In fact it's almost impossible to consider that anyone wouldn't be overweight, it's so impossibly tight to balance. So it must be more than just food in vs food out. The type of food you eat is paramount. A calorie is not a calorie as we have been led to believe.

Doing this exercise really helped me, in two ways. 1) it really made me reconsider those choices. Do I really want to eat a whole months weight gain in one sitting?! And 2) every time I say no to that, I'm getting rid of a whole month's historical weight. It might not show big on the scales, even if it shows at all, but the reality is that I gained weight at that rate and I can lose it substantially faster.

Work yours out, I guarantee it's quite eye opening!

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BuffaloCauliflower · 10/02/2019 14:57

That looks amazing but is too much maths for me 😂 I will say though, I’d highly recommend reading the book The Diet Myth, all about the science of your microbes and how they affect weight and health. The 3500 calories per lb thing is actually really inacurate, there’s so many other factors to why some people are fat and some are slim, and a lot have to do with gut microbes. Changing your microbe diversity will have as much if not more impact than changing your calorie intake. Really eye opening stuff.

MikeHannigansStripyShirt · 10/02/2019 16:48

I did the maths and am embarrassed by the answer Blush I put the weight on quite quickly, as previously mentioned mainly via cake and the calories-overeaten-per-day is quite impressive. I don’t know how I managed it.... BlushBlushBlush

MikeHannigansStripyShirt · 10/02/2019 16:49

Hopefully the 3500/lb calculation is inaccurate buffalo !!!

VenusInfers · 10/02/2019 19:08

I really liked your discussion bear and mike.

Like mike I was also only a stone over weight for my height, and didn't tell ANYONE I was going on a diet just because I knew I'd get the well-meaning 'ooh, you don't need to lose any weight!' type comments. Especially from my chums who feel a bit guilty about their own eating habits. Lord only knows we have PLENTY of media, social and otherwise, telling us what we should/shouldn't eat, it's hard NOT to feel guilty about something. Salt? Oily fish?? Water intake?? Organic, local and sustainable??? Confused

I'm lucky in that I've only been at my job for a few months so they don't know me well enough to comment on my weight loss! Plus we work in a cold office so we're all bundled up in jumpers for the next few months so hard to know WHAT'S going on. Grin

Anyway, I've now lost the stone (hurrah!) and considering lowering my target slightly. I'm 5ft 4in, and the only time I've been under 9stone as an adult was after a severe dose of tonsillitis in my early 20s. Be nice to finally find out what a size 10 dress feels like... Like angels and unicorns, probably.

Also interested in tips for maintaining after the diet finishes - don't want to open the carb floodgates and have to stick that potential life-changing size 10 dress at the back of the wardrobe till then next tonsillitis episode. Grin

BuffaloCauliflower · 10/02/2019 19:28

@VenusInfers definitely read the new Fast 800 book, it focuses more on maintenance, generally sticking to a lower carb Med style diet and building in 800 calories days to keep up those fasting benefits

MikeHannigansStripyShirt · 10/02/2019 19:44

Yes I’d second the recommendation for the fast 800 book - lots and lots of really interesting information and I feel quite dedicated to the idea of a fast day or two every week for the health benefits alone - weight maintenance seems like a happy side effect

BuffaloCauliflower · 10/02/2019 19:59

Just wanted to share as I’m reallt impressed with this - been planning out my food for tomorrow, and I’ve managed to get almost exactly on 800 cals with 53g of protein, 50g carbs and 47g fat, but also 25g of fibre (the recommended amount) fibre is so important for gut health - which means all health - but harder to get everything you need on a restricted and lower carb diet.

Will put what I’m eating below

Blood sugar diet thread 13
Blood sugar diet thread 13
BuffaloCauliflower · 10/02/2019 20:02

Black coffee

B: 2 hard boiled eggs and smoked salmon on a bed of spinach (easily transportable to eat at my desk)

L: salad with feta, avocado and black olives. Will dress with fresh lemon and smoked paprika

S: Roasted tofu and aubergine tomato curry with a side of sautéd garlic cabbage.

I don’t worry about the calories in some dried spices and garlic

Blood sugar diet thread 13
Blood sugar diet thread 13
BuffaloCauliflower · 10/02/2019 20:03

So I don’t add them to the app unless I’m makifn a recipe and want to record all the ingredients to make it again

wowfudge · 10/02/2019 20:13

Buffalo your plan looks really good.

I am struggling this evening with fighting the urge to eat - I've had my tea already. I think it's down to tiredness as much as anything. Of course I've seen an advert for Lindor - one of my favourite things!

MikeHannigansStripyShirt · 10/02/2019 20:16

Don’t give up wow

Drink of water?
Brush your teeth?
20 press ups to distract you?!

BuffaloCauliflower · 10/02/2019 20:51

wowfudge you can do it! All Mikes suggestion are great, failing that just go to bed, make it easy for yourself

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