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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Blood sugar diet thread 13

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 28/11/2018 18:21

Here’s the new thread for the BSD followers. Everyone is welcome to join us. Here’s a quick recap!

The BSD is a low carb, Mediterranean style way of eating, with the primary aim of stabilising your insulin response when you eat. You achieve this by: eating fewer carbs, cutting out sugar and sweet tasting foods including most fruit, and by following a low calorie plan that reduces your visceral fat meaning that everything functions more effectively. Less insulin means less fat storage (in a nutshell, although more info can be found on this online). The diet was designed to reduce T2 diabetes symptoms (or even reverse it entirely) but can also be used for weightloss.

Eat:
Meats and fish
Oils
Eggs
Full fat dairy products
Nuts, seeds
Pulses/ beans
Veg that grows above ground
Limit fruit: apples, pears, berries- in moderation, with meals, with fats

Occasional alcoholic drinks allowed (spirits, red wine are preferable to beer, lager, etc)
Tea and coffee, herbal tea etc.
And water- drink lots of water!

Avoid
sugar, sweets, and ‘naturally occurring sugars’ such as fructose, maltose, honey, agave, puréed dates etc....

Potatoes of any variety
Pasta
Rice
Breakfast cereals (occasional steel cut oats are ok)
Breads/ flour based products

Exercise:
Michael Moseley recommends HIIT workouts to increase calorie burn and help to tone up, and recommends walking more (increasing your steps weekly until you hit around 10000 a day)

Mindfulness
MM also suggests a programme of mindfulness, meditation, practised for a few minutes each day.

How to follow the plan:
8 weeks BSD- 8 weeks, follow the guidelines above- 800 calories a day. You don’t need to count carbs grams because the diet is naturally self limiting.
BSD 5:2- for a more leisurely weightloss journey, or as maintenance, or once you’ve done an 8 week stint, you can play around with a combination of increased calorie count, ‘free eating’ and fasting days (800 cals) until you achieve your goals. Many of our long standing members now follow this approach.

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 02/02/2019 08:31

The arbitrary number bandied around, is usually less than 50g a day, but I don't know where this figure comes from?! If I rarely do a proper 800 day, and at 50g carbs, it would be about 200 cals/25% of my total intake so that would be a good benchmark I suppose. If you ate more calories, but stick to 50g carbs obviously that total percentage would be lower.

The only thing I would say to anyone would be to still limit your intake to the approved carbs from the book, because if you use the 'less than 50g carbs' rule to accommodate sugar, cereal, bread, potato etc then the benefits won't be the same. Although it is helpful as a boundary on occasions where sugar is unavoidable--
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BuffaloCauliflower · 02/02/2019 09:07

Ha ha, thanks all! I think a blanket ‘no big carbs’ will be best. Just no pasta, rice, potatoes for the 8 weeks unless totally unavoidable for some reason.

On fruit and veg - am I fine just sticking generally to above ground veg? I’ve seen carrots mentioned and I’m sure they’re below ground? What fruit are low sugar enough to pass? Apples and berries yes but what about others? Getting enough fibre is really important to me especially for gut health and want to still be mindful of that.

howhowhow · 02/02/2019 10:20

Period started yesterday. I'm still a pound up the morning. Constipated as well (and period normally sorts that out). But I think I look thinner. Currently having a bath hoping that will encourage the woosh. In fact I'm half a pound heavier than I was this time last week. So frustrated

What happens if you don't drink enough? Are you still losing the fat but just stalling the woosh? I'm very thirsty all the time so I wonder if I'm just not doing enough water.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 02/02/2019 10:58

Buffalo yes berries, apples, pears, and anything where the seeds are eaten and form a big part of the total fruit, so passion fruit or pomegranate occasionally (think there's recipes using these). Avoid very sweet tropical fruit, grapes, dried fruit etc

How I don't know the exact science but I think when you 'burn fat' you expel it in your urine, so you need water to facilitate that?

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EmmaGrundyForPM · 02/02/2019 12:20

Buffalo the above ground/below ground doesn't always work. Sweetcorn is above ground but much higher in carbs than carrots.

I eat carrots in moderation - usually raw.

My current absolute go-to veg dish is a mixture of cauliflower and broccoli - chop it into fairly small pieces, toss with olive oi, salt, turmeric, cumin seeds and caraway seeds then roast in the oven for 25 - 30 minutes. Stir half way through. If you want and your calories allow for it, stir in some pine nuts 10 minutes before the end of cooking.

I make this at the weekend and everyone loves it, I then take it cold to work and add some chopped chicken or some lentils to it for my lunch. It's not great straight from the fridge but fine as a salad at room temperature.

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BuffaloCauliflower · 02/02/2019 16:22

I love roast veg so thanks for that idea Smile

If anyone is able to give me some daily 800 calorie meal plan ideas I’d be grateful for idea. Even better if they don’t have meat!

BuffaloCauliflower · 02/02/2019 16:24

@hottubhotties that’s an amazing and very inspiring loss! I’d love to get anywhere close to that. I hope you don’t mind me asking but did you start very heavy to lose that much so quickly? Are you sticking to 800 cals?

bluetit101 · 02/02/2019 16:39

Hi, I'm new to this thread..
I have PCOS and insulin resistance, which I take Metformin for.

Would this be the best diet for me to do? I'm currently doing SW but my losses aren't great..

Any advice much appreciated Smile

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BuffaloCauliflower · 02/02/2019 16:43

Also does anyone know the rules on Jerusalem artichokes? A root veg yes and has carbs but it’s inulin instead of starch, great for diabetics and also really high in fibre.

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BuffaloCauliflower · 02/02/2019 16:44

hottubhotties that’s great, thank you

thisyeargoodyear · 02/02/2019 16:45

Some great results Smile

It was week 3 weigh in for me today and I hit the 1 stone mark, which I am delighted about. I have a lot going on the next week, including being away from home for 5 days, so my target for next week is to not gain any weight!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 02/02/2019 17:00

My go-to veg dish is a cauliflower cheese bake: just use cooked cauliflower, a tub of full fat soft cheese, grated Parmesan or other cheese (or both. In fact ALL THE CHEESE), I like to add crispy bacon as well. Goes brilliantly with any meat, use as a cottage pie crust, or on its own or with a roast. The soft cheese is fairly high calorie but it goes a long way so one tub can stretch through at least one, maybe two heads of cauli.

Also celeriac- cut a celeriac into cubes, and pan fry them til they are half cooked, then add a pint of stock to the pan and simmer it all down til the celeriac is cooked and the liquid is very thick (almost gone) then mash with a potato masher. Again, serve with meats or as a topping for a cottage pie or in place of mash potato.

Mushy peas- peas. Butter. Yummy. We call it Hulk Mash in our house. Amazing with fish. We had it with lamb steaks and goats cheese the other day and it was fab.

Courgette noodles- use a potato peeler to ribbon a courgette (or use a spiraliser). Fry gently in a pan with spring onion. Then either add soy, ginger, lime, chilli. Or, add cream, garlic, mushrooms, Parmesan, cooked peas, prawns or chicken. Or pesto and chicken? You have to be quick or they turn to mush so get all your ingredients prepped and pre-cooked.

And my absolute fave: sliced mushrooms, pan fried in butter, with garlic, cream, Parmesan and white wine (if you want it) or I find a tiny splash of wine vinegar also gives a similar taste. Again, amazing with any meat, or on its own.

I generally base my 800 menu on :
Milk 50 cals
Lunch around 250 (either a salad + protein or a homemade shake)
Dinner: 500 which is very often half meat, half veg like these above.

Bear in mind I very rarely do 800 calories days now, so I'm not the best to advise on them really!

Strong flavour is key for me, spices and seasoning is essential and is low calorie but maximises the taste. And good quality meat.

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 02/02/2019 17:02

Remember we have a recipe thread, here:

Blood sugar diet recipe thread and menu planner www.mumsnet.com/Talk/fasting_diet/3325444-blood-sugar-diet-recipe-thread-and-menu-planner

There's lots of ideas on here, and also any grab and go things that are BSD suitable that you find, please add.

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 02/02/2019 17:15

Bluetit I had PCOS for 10 years, I know I still had cysts on my ovaries in my last pregnancy because they were visible on my scan. I had some blood tests last year and all the hormone levels that they test for pcos (so LH and testosterone and FH) were all normal, so normal in fact that they said I no longer have pcos (I may still have cysts but they haven't checked via ultrasound if that makes sense?) but I no longer have 'the syndrome' and its associated symptoms.

SW, in my opinion (and I have done it for years before this) is too high in carbs, and too easy to eat loads of food. This diet is as hard as any other diet, it's not a magic wand, but for me it was the first time I saw actual tangible, immediate weightloss. With pcos I dieted constantly for years and gained weight year after year, so this was a complete game changer for me.

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BuffaloCauliflower · 02/02/2019 17:24

Thanks Bear that’s super helpful. Ill check out the recipes thread, I didn’t know it existed!

MelanieCheeks · 02/02/2019 17:25

Buffalo, I've been posting my weekly menu plans on the recipe thread, They are mostly veggie with a bit of fish.

NSV this morning at parkrun - my running belt which the dog is attached to kept falling down!

bluetit101 · 02/02/2019 17:41

Thank you @thenewaveragebear1983

I do think the sw plan allows too many carbs (I do love carbs so if I'm told I'm allowed them I will have them!)

I think I'm going to give this a try instead

thenewaveragebear1983 · 02/02/2019 17:44

Blue yes I was the same, I ate far too much fruit and pasta and potatoes!

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 02/02/2019 18:23

Hot mashed peas (Petit pois ) are the most mash-like I find, they are sweeter and go smoother than garden peas. If you have a stick blender then that gets them fairly smooth. The celeriac mash is also quite good but never gets the lovely smooth texture of potato mash unfortunately.

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wowfudge · 02/02/2019 18:27

Try mashed celeriac too - half the carbs of potato. You can boil veg you are going to mash in stock for extra flavour.

thetwinkletoescollective · 02/02/2019 19:20

Hello everyone,
Some fab recipes/tips thank you!

So I have had a great Monday - Friday. In fact I felt quite sparkling with it with it. I have liked what I have been eating and felt full after eating. I do really like creamy stuff. I ate full fat yogurt with some stevia in it and it was lush. If I think about the smallness of the portions then that does my head in a bit but that's psychological not physical.

I have not lost any weight. I didn't really expect to (hoped to) but I have form for this. I have not weighed myself but none of my clothes are feeling different and I am quite 'in touch with my body' so can usually feel weight loss. I am going to carry on though.

Happy Saturday evening xx

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