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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Blood sugar diet thread 13

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 28/11/2018 18:21

Here’s the new thread for the BSD followers. Everyone is welcome to join us. Here’s a quick recap!

The BSD is a low carb, Mediterranean style way of eating, with the primary aim of stabilising your insulin response when you eat. You achieve this by: eating fewer carbs, cutting out sugar and sweet tasting foods including most fruit, and by following a low calorie plan that reduces your visceral fat meaning that everything functions more effectively. Less insulin means less fat storage (in a nutshell, although more info can be found on this online). The diet was designed to reduce T2 diabetes symptoms (or even reverse it entirely) but can also be used for weightloss.

Eat:
Meats and fish
Oils
Eggs
Full fat dairy products
Nuts, seeds
Pulses/ beans
Veg that grows above ground
Limit fruit: apples, pears, berries- in moderation, with meals, with fats

Occasional alcoholic drinks allowed (spirits, red wine are preferable to beer, lager, etc)
Tea and coffee, herbal tea etc.
And water- drink lots of water!

Avoid
sugar, sweets, and ‘naturally occurring sugars’ such as fructose, maltose, honey, agave, puréed dates etc....

Potatoes of any variety
Pasta
Rice
Breakfast cereals (occasional steel cut oats are ok)
Breads/ flour based products

Exercise:
Michael Moseley recommends HIIT workouts to increase calorie burn and help to tone up, and recommends walking more (increasing your steps weekly until you hit around 10000 a day)

Mindfulness
MM also suggests a programme of mindfulness, meditation, practised for a few minutes each day.

How to follow the plan:
8 weeks BSD- 8 weeks, follow the guidelines above- 800 calories a day. You don’t need to count carbs grams because the diet is naturally self limiting.
BSD 5:2- for a more leisurely weightloss journey, or as maintenance, or once you’ve done an 8 week stint, you can play around with a combination of increased calorie count, ‘free eating’ and fasting days (800 cals) until you achieve your goals. Many of our long standing members now follow this approach.

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PresidentHump · 30/01/2019 20:48

I LOVE jackfruit! Delicious

After a few days failing and flailing I'm back on it. Kitchen closed on 900 cals.

Hope I don't put on this week.

Despite the cheese, booze and fish and chips last night I haven't actually felt hungrier... Weird

thenewaveragebear1983 · 30/01/2019 21:09

What would you do with it president?

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PresidentHump · 30/01/2019 21:30

I'd do it BBQ style and serve it naked burrito style - salad leaves, avocado, tomatoes, jalapeno, bit of sweetcorn, sour cream... Or spicy coleslaw stuff? Whatever you like. There are lots of jackfruit recipes online.

SockFluff · 31/01/2019 10:15

Thanks for the welcome, thenewaveragebear1983. Good to see your new strategy is working. Smile

Your prawns with lemon mayo sound delish. I picked up a pre-made prawn cocktail in my grocery shop so may be joining you on the prawn front today. I bought the low-fat version - not because it's low fat but because it has fewer carbs than the full-fat version (?).

I'm going to do the Fast 800 for two weeks (day 3 today), then alternate 800 cals with uncounted healthy HFLC eating/some treats for about a week to cover some special occasions. Then resume Fast 800 for a few more weeks (before more special occasions!).

11lb down since Christmas, with 18+lb to go (25 ideally) ...

Fried eggs/omelettes and a Purition shake are keeping me on track currently, with a small HFLC, protein-rich dinner. I'm tracking my food on MyFitnessPal and making sure I have at least 50-60g of protein a day. Tofu stir-fry minus the noodles tonight.

I get stuck with exercise. Desk job + lots of picking up/ferrying about/supervising kids + years of broken and insufficient sleep mean it's not really happening. Sad How are others squeezing exercise in when tight on time and sleep-deprived?

I am still breastfeeding, but a pre-schooler, so I'm cracking on because the milk isn't needed in the same way as for a baby. And I'm taking a breastfeeding vitamin and mineral supplement and fish oil.

Lots of things to think about! Confused

Doittoday · 31/01/2019 13:53

Hi everyone, very happy to report that week 1 has resulted in a 5lb loss, and no accidental ice cream Grin good motivation to keep going!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 31/01/2019 14:46

Sock I never used to do any exercise until last year, and I basically decided that it was time I had something of mine, some time to myself. I was a sahm so although I wasn't working I couldn't just get out for a run, so it had to be early mornings unfortunately. Up at 6, run 30 mins. I still do that a few times a week, although now Ds is at nursery so I can do a longer one in the mid morning rather than the pre-dawn one! It's become a habit now, but I do still feel the chore of it sometimes and I have to admit the winter has seemed very long, dark, cold and windy. I do a class a few evenings or a Saturday morning army bootcamp type thing as well.,The biggest change for me is that now when I plan my week of all the important things I need to do for everyone else, I prioritise my thing too, my running/workout and it's non negotiable, as important as any other appointment or commitment.

I am a changed woman because we're going to Italy in April with dh's work, and the first thing I looked at when the hotel info came through was whether there was a gym, and whether I could run in the city. Previously I would have been googling the best place to get gelatos...

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VenusInfers · 31/01/2019 19:24

Hi

Feeling very demotivated today. I was over on cals last Friday due to a night out but since then have been v good; very close to 800, doing exercise, getting my water/protein etc, but seem to have lost only a lb or so. Feeling v hungry the last two days as well.

It's SO ANNOYING...

thenewaveragebear1983 · 31/01/2019 19:44

Venus are you getting enough fat? There's a limit to how much protein you can make the best use of, but you need the fat to stave off hunger during the day. If you're feeling demotivated, hungry, in danger of cracking- I'd say eat. Not loads, but something BSD friendly to keep you ticking over.

I've ended the day on 1400 cals again, which is good as part of my new strategy. It's weird- I know I've eaten less today than last week, but because it's all been weighed and tracked and written down I feel like those extra allowed calories have been really well spent and useful rather than me cramming ham in my mouth while standing at the fridge door, so I feel like I've eaten more. That hardly even makes sense to me, so I do apologise!

Tomorrow I will run in the morning, then I'm having calamari and lemon mayo and salad for lunch, then steak and roast veg for dinner. I'm not going to drink this weekend, my sleep has been awful again this week after Saturday's night out (eg 6 minutes deep sleep all night according to Fitbit) so I'm going to stay off the booze.

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VenusInfers · 31/01/2019 20:18

You might be right, bear, but balancing everything and getting fat in too without going over on cals seems tricky sometimes. Had olive oil in the salad dressing yesterday and a small portion of mayonnaise with my grilled chicken today to try and get some in.

I'll let myself have a little more scran tonight and see get back on the wagon tomorrow. I know I'm getting close to my goal, but really thought I'd be there by the end of this week.

Calamari & lemon mayo sounds DELISH by the way!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 31/01/2019 20:55

Think of it over a week as well, rather than daily macros. So if one day is protein heavy, have more fat the next day, and then have a lentils/veg heavy day which would be more carbs. That keeps your interest up, and adds variety. I've never really been too fastidious with macro balancing tbh, but when I look back over my better days they usually are 20% carbs, 40/40% protein and fat, so that must be my natural 'in the zone' balance. I'm trying to add much more veg to my meals so I'm naturally seeing my carbs going up a bit so it will be interesting to see the effect.

Did any of you see the lose weight well programme with the delicious Xand whatsisname? He did a section on stress and fasting- now it's very rare to see intermittent fasting slated on diet shows as the science really does stack up, and provided it's done properly the benefits outweigh any negatives usually. But this experiment showed that if you're fasting and experience high stress, then your cortisol levels can stay higher for longer than it would if you had eaten- something to be aware of especially if you do have stressful jobs or homelives. Obviously raised cortisol causes belly fat but also plays havoc with your insulin, and that increases appetite, so perhaps it's something to be mindful of if you do find yourself stressed out and craving something. I am going to look into it a bit more, but the programme was this week on channel 4 if anyone wants to watch it.

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collywobble · 31/01/2019 22:02

I have fallen spectacularly off the wagon today . I feel like a complete failure where my sugar cravings rise like a demon and control me . Is is possible to fall off and get straight back on it without too much damage ? I just seem to follow the same patterns every time

Ggirl27 · 31/01/2019 22:09

Well I'm still at it! Coming up to the end of my second week stint and it seems to be working out OK so far. I lost 6lb in my first week which I was extremely pleased with. I have printed a menu out and it's pinned to my wall so I know exactly what I can eat each day. I'm also ticking off meal by meal. I did have Saturday and Sunday off and had a couple of meals out with the family but I really struggled to eat tons as it feels like my stomach had shrunk and I still kept the carbs down even though I wasn't weighing things and being as strict. Would love to lose 2 stone over the next 10 weeks. Feeling positive so far...

coppercolouredtop · 31/01/2019 23:58

I can recommend the breakfast muffins
They are absolutely yummy.

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 01/02/2019 07:02

Weighed in for 1st Feb, and I'm 10.3- so a loss of 3lb in Jan, which was my Christmas gain. January was a very odd month, I was ill right at the start and lost 6lbs and then have basically struggled a lot since then. So 3lb off is good really, and I only have about another 4lb to lose (and they are vanity numbers really!).

So plan for Feb goes like this: 2 meals, allow more cals (1200 but stick to it), more veg on my plate every meal, and no sugar or alcohol. I'm doing an almost 10 mile race at the end of Feb, so lots of running. I'd like to be at my target by end of Feb so that means a pound a week- easy huh?

Good luck everyone!

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howhowhow · 01/02/2019 10:48

So I haven't lost anything all week and have put a pound on overnight. I've been relatively strict - on plan and around the right calories.

Period due in two days though. Am I likely to end up with a woosh (fingers crossed!!).

thenewaveragebear1983 · 01/02/2019 10:50

A pound overnight is water retention! I would try to drink lots of water today. Do you like green tea? I find that really helps too

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Oblomov19 · 01/02/2019 10:51

Just checking in. No loss here.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 01/02/2019 13:49

I've only list 1.5lbs in the last week. It feels very unfair since I have been really good and done nothing differently from last week.

However, I've now lost over a stone since 2nd January so overall this has been a good month. I just hope the weight loss hasn't plateaued already

thenewaveragebear1983 · 01/02/2019 14:49

Some amazing losses, well done everyone. The diet is known for plateaus, and 3-4 weeks in particularly, so I'd suggest doing measurements or taking photos if you haven't already. Also, it can cause some upheaval in your cycle in the early days because when you lose fat quickly you skew the balance of oestrogen which is linked to fat cells. Just something to be aware of.

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onanothertrain · 01/02/2019 15:03

I must be doing something right - got a new a skirt for work 2 weeks ago, tried it on before I bought it and fitted fine. Put it on this morning and it's pretty big round my waist and hips. Yay!!!

BuffaloCauliflower · 01/02/2019 22:05

Another Fast 800’er hoping to jump into this thread! Starting Sunday, 30lbs+ to lose.

Just one thing I’d be really grateful for advice on - I’m pescarian and happy to just eat fish/egg/legumes but wondering if anyone knows if there’s any Quorn sausages or similar meat substitutes that are low enough carb to qualify?

Further to that - I know it says you don’t need to count carbs as the diet is excluding by itself, but is it helpful to do so with higher carb things like beans and legumes? I eat a lot of them and it would be great to continue, but not if it ruins the plan.

Lastly - I’ve got a bit of a feta addiction. I’d love to hear ways people include feta in the diet.

VenusInfers · 02/02/2019 00:03

It was good advice, bear, I had a slice of toast with peanut butter -or two- with a glass of wine and felt much better. Crucially I tried on some of my 'small' clothes too, and fitted into them all.
I would like to weigh less and fit new, smaller things, but I understand that I have to be gentle on myself and just do what works.
For those other week 3 plateau peeps out there I'd def recommend the putting on of previously small clothes - its so easy to forget how far you have already come!
BTW anyone else thinking of coming to the MM show in Portsmouth?

thenewaveragebear1983 · 02/02/2019 07:41

Great news Venus,

Welcome buffalocauliflower. I love feta too, just crumbled over a salad or with a small amount of some really tangy chutney. Or some baked figs. It's much lower in calories than regular cheese too, so that's a bonus!
To answer your questions: I don't know about quorn sausages, I had quorn mince last week and wasn't aware it was especially high in carbs? And re: counting carbs- it can definitely help to be mindful of the carbs in beans/lentils and even in veg, and use it as a guide to your portion control and the balance of your nutrients. For example, if you're doing an 800 calorie fast day, but 600 cals come from lentils, then your carbs will be quite high, and your fat will be very low, so you'd also probably be quite hungry. On a non fasting day, or if you're not counting calories then again it can help to just know how many carbs you're having. The reason I say we don't need to is because In theory if you eat a balanced diet and exclude all the major carbs you don't need to, but for veggies and vegans you are at a slight disadvantage as your major source of protein is not available. So I'd say to be aware of it more than track it. I still check my carb intake most days as it comes I on my calorie counter.

I really need a good weekend, I often go off the rails at the weekend but this weekend I'm determined I'm not going to. Off to bootcamp this morning (grim) and then keeping busy to keep me away from the kitchen!

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BuffaloCauliflower · 02/02/2019 08:20

Thanks @thenewaveragebear1983 Smile

Is there a rough carb number to stay below (book is arriving tomorrow so if migh be in there) then I can have a think about my Quorn sausages!

onanothertrain · 02/02/2019 08:29

buffalo I eat quorn Sausages, off the top of my head there's 5.3 in 2 normal Sausages and 2.3 in the hotdog ones. I also use mince, meatballs and pieces.
In the first 8 weeks I aimed to stay below 50g carbs.
I also love feta and use it in salads, stuffed peppers and squash, omelette, its lovely wrapped in foil with some olive oil, vine tomatoes herbs and baked in the oven.

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