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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Blood sugar diet thread 13

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 28/11/2018 18:21

Here’s the new thread for the BSD followers. Everyone is welcome to join us. Here’s a quick recap!

The BSD is a low carb, Mediterranean style way of eating, with the primary aim of stabilising your insulin response when you eat. You achieve this by: eating fewer carbs, cutting out sugar and sweet tasting foods including most fruit, and by following a low calorie plan that reduces your visceral fat meaning that everything functions more effectively. Less insulin means less fat storage (in a nutshell, although more info can be found on this online). The diet was designed to reduce T2 diabetes symptoms (or even reverse it entirely) but can also be used for weightloss.

Eat:
Meats and fish
Oils
Eggs
Full fat dairy products
Nuts, seeds
Pulses/ beans
Veg that grows above ground
Limit fruit: apples, pears, berries- in moderation, with meals, with fats

Occasional alcoholic drinks allowed (spirits, red wine are preferable to beer, lager, etc)
Tea and coffee, herbal tea etc.
And water- drink lots of water!

Avoid
sugar, sweets, and ‘naturally occurring sugars’ such as fructose, maltose, honey, agave, puréed dates etc....

Potatoes of any variety
Pasta
Rice
Breakfast cereals (occasional steel cut oats are ok)
Breads/ flour based products

Exercise:
Michael Moseley recommends HIIT workouts to increase calorie burn and help to tone up, and recommends walking more (increasing your steps weekly until you hit around 10000 a day)

Mindfulness
MM also suggests a programme of mindfulness, meditation, practised for a few minutes each day.

How to follow the plan:
8 weeks BSD- 8 weeks, follow the guidelines above- 800 calories a day. You don’t need to count carbs grams because the diet is naturally self limiting.
BSD 5:2- for a more leisurely weightloss journey, or as maintenance, or once you’ve done an 8 week stint, you can play around with a combination of increased calorie count, ‘free eating’ and fasting days (800 cals) until you achieve your goals. Many of our long standing members now follow this approach.

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hottubhotties · 29/01/2019 13:35

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 29/01/2019 15:22

Hot it could be, but I would have thought by week 3 it should have passed by now. Not sure how you could test it without eating some carbs, which would be a bit daft if you're doing well! Are you eating any salt? That can help with the withdrawal headaches.

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 29/01/2019 17:12

Hot possibly you're not eating enough. Aside from the calories, we need the variety of vitamins, minerals iron, etc and consistently having very few calories will result in you getting depleted and may not even result in any more Weight loss. Not sure if that would be causing your headache though? Although Mosley does discredit the theory of starvation mode, that's only if you're continuing to be well nourished despite cutting your calories. Aside from the fact you must be absolutely famished!

Remember also, plus to new starters too: we don't need to count carbs on this plan! We're not aiming for ketogenisis, so provided the carbs you eat come from the 'approved' sources, you can eat them freely up to your desired calorie count! It pays to be mindful, but if you're really suffering with hunger, cravings, poor sleep, headaches (all symptoms of carb flu) then you can rebalance your diet to maybe have an increased amount of the good carbs.

I'm holding off having my dinner because I'm at an exercise class tonight. Last week I ate before and then was starving after, so ate again! So today I'm just waiting til after, although currently cooking sausages for the dc and they smell amazing !

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 29/01/2019 18:19

I ate the sausage Blush

Hot it's not like you absolutely can't have it. Try it, see if it makes you crave more carbs, or if it stalls your weight-loss. Everyone handles different things differently so you might be ok.

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rytonsister · 29/01/2019 18:31

Well
Guys I've sort of started but dp had already planned some meals so challenging trying to keep under 800 cals.

I will follow strictly from next week. So far
The stuff I've had hasn't been bad. Had to have the ultra low calorie tuna and tomato wrapped in lettuce leaves for tea - it was surprisingly ok!

Need to finish the planned meals then I'm on it!

onanothertrain · 29/01/2019 18:32

A sausage is nothing bear. I've just eaten a packet of crisps. A big packet 🙄

rytonsister · 29/01/2019 18:32

I'm under 1000 cals tho.

Not a million miles out but looking forward to doing it to the letter. Gonna follow the meal plan in the recipe book to be sure.

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wowfudge · 29/01/2019 20:27

Hello - I've restarted this week and I'm feeling motivated. I'm trying to make sure I've planned ahead and got food with me when I go to work. I also bought some of the 3 for £10 chicken dishes from Waitrose as they're an easy tea cooked and served with veg.

Today I had a very stressful morning at work and didn't have the breakfast I had with me. I had lentil houmous (really nice), a piece of cheese and some celery, a carrot and some cucumber for lunch. Really filling and tasty. For tea I've had cauliflower rice and chicken tikka. I had the whole packet of chicken at 300 calories because I only had two meals today.

VenusInfers · 29/01/2019 20:30

Hi twinkle rytonsister and JollyHostess!

I'm amazed how different each day can be. Yesterday I did a run, some yoga, was on my feet all day and didn't even "get through" all 800 cals. Just didn't feel I needed any more food.

Today, by contrast, I have been moderately active and have been looking forward to every single bite & have ended up nearly 100 cals over. Not worth beating myself up about. Plus I'm still surrounded by a golden glow of smugness because I made a batch of brownies and didn't eat any myself. Made easier because I slightly over cooked them - accidentally, honest... Grin

This is the start of my third week and I've lost about 11 lbs - really hope I can lose the last 3 in the next week. Then the tricky part of not putting any back on begins!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 29/01/2019 20:33

Hot I suppose it's like with anything- the more you process it, the higher it will raise your sugars. Baked potato in the skin, served with fat (eg sour cream?), lots of fibre- lower GI than say peeled potatoes, mashed. Same with fruit- in the skin, whole- fine. As soon as you start cooking, peeling, puréeing- you're basically just refining the sugar. It's helpful that you are glucose testing so you can see the impact if there is any. For me I avoid potatoes because I miss them in my diet, I can live without rice, bread, cereals etc, but life without chips is hard.

Home from circuits and rustling up a nice Parmesan omelette and salad. Way over on calories today. I'm struggling at the moment, it's all psychological because I am just eating mindlessly, and I know I'm doing it. Drinking at the weekend didn't help. Definitely going back to dry jan/Feb for a few more weeks.

I can't work out if I eat too much, or not enough. That sounds ridiculous I know, but I eat around 1500 cals a day now, but I'm not losing those last few lbs, and yet Fitbit 'claims ' I burn 2500 a day (average over the last year!). When I try to really cut back I struggle and find my running very hard, so I think I do need them.

On the plus side, no sugar today or yesterday. I have talked myself down multiple times today from raiding the cupboards so I feel much better for saying no. Praying for no snow tomorrow as I want to do my long run and try for a good BSD day.

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adamnfinecupofcoffee · 30/01/2019 07:33

Checking in after a week or two of lurking! Work mega busy but I've been mostly on plan and reading all your posts! Still trying to stick to 800 cals 5 weeks on.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 30/01/2019 07:50

Weighing in today at 10.3, which is a gain from last week (but to be expected) and it's also the weight I've been for such a long time, I think it's my body's preferred weight! Maybe that partly explains my crazy eating over the last few weeks, trying to claw back what I lost when I was ill.

February looms, and I had a really good think last night about a workable solution as I hate the constant 'failure' of trying and then cracking. As I'm training for a long race at the end of Feb, I'm going to increase my calories to 12-1400, but endeavour to keep the carbs low, lower than I normally do. So give my diet a bit of a shake up, and increase protein and fat. I think by doing this I can have two big (generous) meals each day but then cut the snacks and the grazing which I'm doing because I am hungry. I usually end up on 1400 anyway but often it's higher in carbs that is ideal (or the wrong carbs) because I end up cracking and eating one thing I shouldn't rather than several nutritious things that are fine. It's a trial run anyway so I will see how I get on plus I'm going to hide the bathroom scales til next week. The other thing I must do more is weigh and track my food, so the kitchen scales are out!

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wowfudge · 30/01/2019 09:48

What snacks have you been having? I found I lost weight on the BSD even though I exceeded the 800 calories because I chose snacks that weren't full of sugar.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 30/01/2019 10:34

Wow I am a terrible fridge raider! So I'll have cheese and ham, or peanut butter, or a handful of nuts- but each of those is a hundred calories, and that's assuming it's a small portion. It's so easy to rack up calories. Snacking constantly isn't great for me, I have very poor insulin control so I really do need to have long gaps between meals. What I find is that if i graze all day, by the evening my appetite is so out of whack and my insulin is haywire, and that's when I'm tempted by other things. I'm getting away with it because I run so much, but the impact is two fold really: one, I'm not properly nourishing my body and then expecting it to perform 2hr runs, and two: I am always feeling like I'm struggling or failing, every day. I'm going to trial having more calories, bigger meals etc and see what happens.

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SockFluff · 30/01/2019 14:00

Hi everyone

Please may I join this thread?

I'm not doing the BSD exactly but have just started Michael Mosley's new Fast 800, which seems to be very similar to the BSD (essentially combines the best of 5:2 and BSD with added sparkly new science).

There doesn't seem to be a support thread for the Fast 800 yet, so I'm hoping it's OK to be here.

I'm not diabetic/pre-diabetic (according to my post-40 check a year ago), but I was 2st 7lb overweight at Christmas, and my dad has type 2 so I'm being vigilant.

Hope I'm welcome to join for some support.

I've lost half a stone since Christmas by calorie-counting with a good macros ratio (and aided by flu!). Now on day 2 of Fast 800 and currently going strong ...

wowfudge · 30/01/2019 16:23

Just a thought, but what about a hot drink (could be a savoury hot drink) or chewing gum instead of snacking?

thenewaveragebear1983 · 30/01/2019 17:07

Has anyone tried jackfruit? Someone's given me a tin of it to try so I'm hoping it's nice! Sounds very odd.

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onanothertrain · 30/01/2019 18:03

I've tried it bear as a vegetarian barbeque pulled pork type thingy. I found it very sweet although the texture was quite pleasant. Not sure I'd have it again and if I did I think a little bit goes a long way.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 30/01/2019 18:06

On the recipe on the tin is for pulled 'pork' style jackfruit. Hmmm, not sure how I feel about it. I might open the tin tomorrow and see what it's like inside!

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 30/01/2019 19:47

Hi sockfluff if course you're welcome. I think the fast 800 and BSD plans are very similar, and there's definitely people doing virtually every variation on the plan on here.

A pretty good day for me today, following my new strategy. It makes me realise how I've been not quite doing it for a while when I do have a proper day. I had a protein shake sachet which was a free sample, and padded it out with ff Greek yog abc berries; I didn't plan to have lunch, but visited my sister and she made soup which was sweet potato and chorizo, so I did eat it (haven't had potato for literally months!), and then dinner was a delicious Katsu curry kit with chicken (prob carb heavy which is why I planned not to have lunch!)- it was really delicious and I'm going to try to find a recipe to recreate it. I had a good portion of stir fry veg as well. So I'm suitably stuffed full which is good. No snacks either today.

As a result I'm on 1200 cals, 80g carbs (that will be the sweet potato!). I did make a definite effort to Weigh more, but will need to keep trying with that going forward. 22k Streps (11.5 km run)

Tomorrow: lunch will be salad with prawns and a lemon mayo, and dinner will be pork steaks and creamed cabbage or maybe broccoli cheese.

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