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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Blood sugar diet thread 13

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 28/11/2018 18:21

Here’s the new thread for the BSD followers. Everyone is welcome to join us. Here’s a quick recap!

The BSD is a low carb, Mediterranean style way of eating, with the primary aim of stabilising your insulin response when you eat. You achieve this by: eating fewer carbs, cutting out sugar and sweet tasting foods including most fruit, and by following a low calorie plan that reduces your visceral fat meaning that everything functions more effectively. Less insulin means less fat storage (in a nutshell, although more info can be found on this online). The diet was designed to reduce T2 diabetes symptoms (or even reverse it entirely) but can also be used for weightloss.

Eat:
Meats and fish
Oils
Eggs
Full fat dairy products
Nuts, seeds
Pulses/ beans
Veg that grows above ground
Limit fruit: apples, pears, berries- in moderation, with meals, with fats

Occasional alcoholic drinks allowed (spirits, red wine are preferable to beer, lager, etc)
Tea and coffee, herbal tea etc.
And water- drink lots of water!

Avoid
sugar, sweets, and ‘naturally occurring sugars’ such as fructose, maltose, honey, agave, puréed dates etc....

Potatoes of any variety
Pasta
Rice
Breakfast cereals (occasional steel cut oats are ok)
Breads/ flour based products

Exercise:
Michael Moseley recommends HIIT workouts to increase calorie burn and help to tone up, and recommends walking more (increasing your steps weekly until you hit around 10000 a day)

Mindfulness
MM also suggests a programme of mindfulness, meditation, practised for a few minutes each day.

How to follow the plan:
8 weeks BSD- 8 weeks, follow the guidelines above- 800 calories a day. You don’t need to count carbs grams because the diet is naturally self limiting.
BSD 5:2- for a more leisurely weightloss journey, or as maintenance, or once you’ve done an 8 week stint, you can play around with a combination of increased calorie count, ‘free eating’ and fasting days (800 cals) until you achieve your goals. Many of our long standing members now follow this approach.

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 15/01/2019 18:13

Koko rather than aiming for a certain number, try to cut out the main ones: Bread, rice, potato, fruit (if you eat lots?), pasta, and sugar. And then try to make some small changes with what you can have, so for example: Pearl barley or lentils in your soup,
Cauliflower rice with curry (I actually hate C rice, but everyone else seems to love it, I just have it whole!)
Quinoa
Overnight oats if you struggle for breakfast
I make a nice sandwich wrap with egg and cheese, it's in the recipe thread (but basically a thin cold omelette used like a wrap)
Cherry tomatoes instead of fruit as a snack

It also really is imperative to get lots of fat, especially in the early days as it will curb your hunger and your cravings. It's also much easier if you 'cold turkey' oddly enough.

If you avoid those key carbs, and keep your calories at 800-1000 ish, you'll have sufficiently low carbs to see the weightloss. The first week is definitely the hardest!

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 15/01/2019 18:31

Koko what if you did 3 days not calorie counting but just cutting out the carbs to get the detox done with, then focussed on the calories after that?

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Justanothergirl19 · 15/01/2019 19:19

Just a little rediscovered tip, spring roll wrappers, softened in warm water and used as a wrap. You can fill with chicken and avocado, prawns, houmous, anything really. They feel a bit odd while you handle them (they are quite slippery) but I do enjoy a wrap. 30kcal each, 13g of carbs I believe.

PenelopeFlintstone · 16/01/2019 07:14

Graet tip, Justanothergirl. Thanks. I'll definitely try those.

Justanothergirl19 · 16/01/2019 07:43

Morning everyone, day 8 and I have been stalling (weight-wise) for 3 days now. I am still happy being half a stone down but I find the stalling really hard to deal with when I am really hungry. I am doing a lot of exercise so I see a good reduction in fat and increase in muscle (it's often temporary though) but, let's face it, I just want to see that big number change! I know it happens in every diet but I need to hear that it will move soon, ladies!
Hope you all have a good day x

thenewaveragebear1983 · 16/01/2019 08:29

It will just, have a look at the 'whoosh' phenomenon online!

I've weighed in at 9.13.5 which I'm pleased with, it's a maintain from last week but I expected to gain a few so I'm really pleased with that.

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Justanothergirl19 · 16/01/2019 08:34

Thanks **Bear and well done, it must be an amazing feeling to see that "9".

thenewaveragebear1983 · 16/01/2019 09:15

I think the key is to remember that a good day always shows- maybe not when you expect it, or maybe not as dramatically as you'd hoped- but it always shows. That's why we say do your measurements or take photos because if you're exercising you might not see the weight loss on the scales straightaway , but you'll notice the inches.

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Oblomov19 · 16/01/2019 16:55

Who was it (I've REALLY scrolled back carefully but couldn't find it) who was eating peanut butter?

Dh bought this from Tesco, year day, on offer £1, as a treat. He recommended I kept it in my handbag/desk for a small squeeze straight into your mouth, when I got desperate.

Oh my word! It's Devine!! Grin

Blood sugar diet thread 13
Blood sugar diet thread 13
CarolDanvers · 16/01/2019 17:07

Me! A teaspoon just to take the edge of my hunger. It really works. Love peanut butter. Is it working for you too?

18368 steps today and 845 calories. I had lost three pounds when I weighed yesterday and I won’t weigh again till next week but I feel like I have lost more. My clothes feel looser and my face looks thinner and not puffy the way it was. I’m determined to keep this up for 8 weeks. I’m going on holiday for a week during that time though so that’s gping to be tough and I might go up to 1000 a day while away. I don’t drink so it’s easier than it might be for those who do.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 16/01/2019 17:20

I love peanut butter but I can't buy it anymore. It's too moreish. I can't justify the 100 cals a teaspoon!!! I buy PB fit peanut powder now for my shakes or if I need it in recipes

I've not calorie counted today but I've stuck to plan. My dinner was balsamic pork and white bean mash from the fast 800 book, and it was delicious!

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Oblomov19 · 16/01/2019 18:39

Ah Carol!! You and me both! Peanut butter lovers!! Grin

adamnfinecupofcoffee · 16/01/2019 18:53

Mmmmm peanut butter! Never realised you could get it powdered- game changer!

1 stone off in 3 weeks. Mental. I'm feeling so alert even after a full day of teaching!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 16/01/2019 20:05

I'm struggling this week, I keep doing really well and then cracking and blowing the whole day in the space of 20 minutes. I need a kick up the butt please! Due on tomorrow so it's completely hormonal but arrrrrggghhhh I hate it. I literally want to stuff my face with biscuits.

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Gymntonic · 16/01/2019 20:46

bear I feel your pain. I've been picking at crap as I cleaned up the kitchen.
In reality, you've probably eaten a couple of hundred calories at most and will still have generated a big calorie deficit with all the exercise you do. Just notice it and move on. I think that's one way the mindful eating bit comes in - notice it, the preceding events, your feelings and thoughts. Let it go and focus on the type of eater you want to. I've noticed that I don't want to be in the kitchen at this time of night; I massively resent it, in fact. I'm probably comforting myself. After I spoonful of mash ( don't usually care for mash thh) I chose to leave the mess for now and see if it's gone in the morning 😉. One thing for sure-fire feelings of blame and self-disappointment won't help me take better care of myself tomorrow.

Gymntonic · 16/01/2019 20:52

Just had a thought... tomorrow I'm going to fully plate up kids' meals, put anything left over away before we eat. So what if it gets to cool a bit. Fill washiing up bowl. They can scrape plates and dunk plates.

Nice teapig collection might finally arrive tomorrow. For bed time flavour treats.

Justanothergirl19 · 16/01/2019 22:09

Far from wanting to give patronising advice as I would literally murder for chocolate right now, but brushing my teeth helps put the craving behind me in the evening (or after lunch if you can).

PresidentHump · 17/01/2019 00:28

Hi everyone. Envious of those that can stop at a teaspoon of peanut butter! I want it three inches thick on a bagel!

Tummy bug is better. Ate a proper dinner and did 800 calories today

Bear have you thought about giving yourself a cheat meal once a week when you can have everything you want? (Would that even work with low carb? 🤔 ) Or how about allowing yourself naughty stuff but only if you make it from scratch? Or how about a chunky slice of your favourite cheese? Just wondering if you can find a better way to manage any cravings and stuff.

Long term on this diet to maintain weight - what is the advice re sweet treats and eating Bad Carbs if unavoidable? Do you just try your best the rest of the time?

thenewaveragebear1983 · 17/01/2019 06:39

President me too- last time I bought some I ended up throwing the jar away because I just couldn't stop eating it! You're probably right with all your tips, I think the problem for me is that this is 'what I do' and it's always been a big issue for me. I am totally at the mercy of my hormones for a week every month and unfortunately if I've not been on track in the preceding weeks then my hormones are even worse. I read somewhere about seratonin being low before your period and that's what makes the cravings so bad. But these are all excuses. When I put my mind to it, I can do without it. I think I also need to put the plans in place before I need them- maybe eating more seratonin rich food all month long, or taking supplements? Not sure of these so any advice is welcome!

Off out for a cold, dark, early run!

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FairyLightFiend · 17/01/2019 16:29

Hello all! I’ve been lurking on this thread for a while, but all this talk of peanut butter has really made me feel like I’ve found my people Grin

I did almost two weeks at 800 a day and then hormones hit and I ate a whole tub of (thankfully!) sugar free peanut butter in THREE days. With a spoon. From the jar.

I’ve been a total angel otherwise - no sugar, no processed carbs, rice etc, keeping my carbs to under 40 grams. Slightly smug (once the headaches wore off) and then BAM. A WHOLE JAR. Hmm

You’re not alone...

CarolDanvers · 17/01/2019 17:07

860 calories, 16,554 steps including a 4 km run, wanted to push up to five but it was getting dark and I have a shopping delivery coming shortly. Still quite happy with that though.

I find the weekends by far the hardest tbh. They are usually when I would cook something lovely and get treats or a take away plus less structure to the day so I am tempted to eat all my calories early Hmm

thenewaveragebear1983 · 17/01/2019 17:37

Welcome fairylightfiend. It's like peanut butter anonymous in here this week! I have many dangerous foods condemned to my 'allowed but not allowed' list- mostly nuts, certain cheeses (Black sticks blue) and fage Total.

Nice run carol! I did mine in the dark this morning, it was freezing and icy!
I also find the weekends hardest. When I'm being very good which is obviously all the time, of course it helps me to work backwards, so plan my evening meal and calorie count it, then see what's left for lunch. If I do it the other way round or just wing it, I end up having too much early and then have no calories left for a nice dinner.

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PresidentHump · 17/01/2019 19:29

Carol - i just find the thought of doing 800 calories a day for months unrealistic. I plan on allowing myself breaks to get that takeaway/have a nice dinner out. If I don't do that I will fail. The only way I've lost weight before (regular calorie counting) was to do that. I found it stops the 'fuck it I've ruined it now so I may aswell keep ruining it' thought process.

Justanothergirl19 · 17/01/2019 21:59

Hi everyone, I was quiet today as I had another day of same weight on the scales so felt quietly pissed off. I then decided to measure myself and I lost 5cm from my waist. I mean it's just incredible. I think the scales just need to catch up now.
I always wanted to recommend my dinner of roasted cauliflower soup (with a chink of cheese) which was absolutely delicious, barely any carbs. Very happy to share the recipe if anyone is interested.
801 Kcals today, the kitchen is shut!

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