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Fasting / 5:2 diet

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Blood sugar diet thread 7

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 14/06/2017 13:53

Here's thread seven for the Blood Sugar Diet followers.

It's 5 weeks and 5 days until school breaks up (may vary by region!) so let's get those bodies lean for Summer!

Continuing thread for Blood Sugar Dieters:
Phase 1 lasts 2 - 8 weeks and involves restricting calories to 800 a day. Eating healthy fats is encouraged as is limiting carby foods (no specific guideline on this but some people aim for under 50g), small amounts of complex carbs are allowed but should be balanced ideally with green veg, protein and fat to lower the glycemic load and reduce the effect on blood sugar.

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PhyllisWig · 26/07/2017 20:44

Can I ask a dull and randomly specific food question - what Greek yoghurt do you have?

So far I have total full fat because I remember reading that it's a proper Greek yoghurt not Greek style. However I eat it every day so it's working out quite expensive. That was ok when I was eating fuck all but as I eat a bit more I'd like to swap to something cheaper. Used to love those big buckets of Turkish yoghurt in Lidl but they seem to have stopped doing them. Suggestions please.

Perdyboo · 26/07/2017 21:01

Aldi do a tub, it's not as big as the lidl buckets (ours still do them but quite sporadically now). I buy the full fat (hubby goes for low fat and I pull a face!!)

thenewaveragebear1983 · 26/07/2017 21:05

Tobee I do like your theory re:lists but I do like making the list. I feel like I've achieved part of the task. I sometimes even add things that I've already packed, then cross them off again. This is because I am a loser of the highest order. Dh once bought me a shopping list pad that had everything written on and you sort of crossed off what you didn't need each week off the generic list. I was like Confused- why take all the fun out of it????!

I've spent today toddler herding, tantrum breaking, and washing mountains of laundry ready to pack tomorrow. I have eaten well, but haven't calorie counted. I think this is what I'll do while away, but as always it will be the wine that gets me!

To be honest, I feel deflated that I started 7 weeks ago with such good intentions and yet, once again, and despite having some really excellent weeks and quite significant losses, I'll probably weigh in before my holiday only 5lb down in 7 weeks which is Crap and it does really make me wonder whether I can keep this up long term. I know I don't always stick to plan but I still undercut my tdee every single day except the very rare occasional night out or something. I'm constantly busy and on the go, I eat the healthiest out of any single person I know in real life. I haven't eaten bread, rice, potatoes, pasta for at least these 7 weeks but actually much longer. I don't eat crisps or biscuits, and while I do have a drink, it is literally a glass or two a couple of nights a week. I drink gallons of water, loads of salad and veg, and have varied and interesting meals.

I need to have a really hard introverted look at myself because I am massively doing something wrong here; calorie deficit alone should be working but it just isn't. I'm reading Fat Chance and is quite ominous but I am determined that I will get where I want to be- but sometimes, like now, it just seems so bloody difficult. I need to assess whether I really want to strip away every small 'vice' in my life to achieve the number I want, or whether it's not worth it. We've had a busy three weeks with birthdays etc, and probably more than usual which is why I have regained a few pounds, which is expected I guess, but I suppose I am feeling like I've let myself down by not doing as well as I wanted to- and the holiday clothes I dreamed of wearing won't be being packed tomorrow.

Sorry to be a boo-hoo Betty. Smile

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ellsbellls · 26/07/2017 22:24

Thanks for your help with the bold bear! But sorry you're feeling down about things.

Weight and body shape certainly isn't fair. I also have a far healthier diet than almost anyone I know, enjoy a variety of food and love cooking. I'm constantly on the go with a busy stressful job, two small children, house stuff. I exercise at least twice a week and usually three times. I don't even drink very much!! And yet.... four weeks ago I found myself 3 stone (2 now) overweight again! To be honest, if I lose another stone I'll settle for that. Not aiming to be stick thin, just prefer not to look heavily pregnant!

Enjoy your holiday- and for what it's worth, you looked lovely in the photo you posted a while back of the culottes! Smile

ellsbellls · 26/07/2017 22:26

phyllis - I also usually have total yogurt but picked up some m and s full fat Greek style this week and it is delicious!

yumyumpoppycat · 26/07/2017 23:41

Phyllis dp is a fan of total ( I was going to put a total nut, then realised that would be confusing) he quite likes the big Lancashire farm Greek yog, 1kg tub they sell in morrisons for £1.50 - £1.99. It is thick and almost as good but not quite as perfect as total.

Bear it is hard when weightloss doesn't match the effort put in Flowers

Flightywoman · 27/07/2017 08:12

I know exactly what you mean - I've not had 800 a day in the last week, but also haven't gone even NEAR my TDEE for the majority of the time. I've been at around 1200-1500 at the most. And I haven't lost till today when I cut back to under 800 yesterday.

A few years ago I was on 1200 a day and running 3-4 times a week and I didn't lose then either.

Today I have lost a bit, so have now lost 2 stone, and I'm staying off carbs for the reflux thing. They're also not as comforting or delicious as I thought they would be so I have renewed my drive to avoid them - why eat food that hurts?!

I am on hols next week for 2.5 weeks, it'll be booze-tastic but I'll stay off the carbs if I can. I probably won't lost but hopefully won't gain too much.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 27/07/2017 08:25

I have a real Greek, rather than a Greek style and it is definitely different, more cheesy/chalky texture. I can't remember where it's from but it could be aldi? It's nice, but it's more calories than the Greek style. My fave is sainsburys.

Thanks all for your sympathies on my mopes! It's not even that my weight loss doesn't match my efforts as such; it's that my 5 days effort (which I really do put the effort in) are undone by my 2 days weekend every single week. I should be rational and think but at least I have been on it some of the time, and think where I could be if I hadn't. I'm at a weight which isn't awful and a size which if I had to, I could make my peace with; but 7 weeks of free rein gluttony would tip me up to numbers I do not want. I think this is always hanging above me.

I love the low carb w.o.e but I do really wonder whether the 800 calories is counter productive for me, long term. Always aiming for it, never getting it, and then having such a variation between my days in terms of calories- is this doing me any good? It doesn't feel like it sometimes. I am going to spend some time while I'm away, working out how I feel and perhaps devising a bit of a longer term strategy. I'm not ready for maintenance, I still need to lose, but I need to be able to stick to it to do that. I've tried 5:2 but it doesn't work for me, so I reckon I need a 2 week very strict starter on a clear calendar, and then a calorie controlled med style that allows for weekends and social events that I cannot avoid. And an exercise programme of sorts. Interestingly, there's a bit in Fat Chance about insulin and leptin production, and its effect on motivation and energy and I was reading it thinking 'that's me!'

The thing is, I know this works and I know I can do it, I just need to find a way I can do it repeatedly with less days when i don't do it on order to get where I want to be. Easy huh?

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KTD27 · 27/07/2017 08:31

Well we are coming to the end of week 7 and I've gained and relost and gained and relost the same 2lbs all week. Annoying. Especially as my cheating (diet not otherwise) husband with his glasses of red wine after work keeps dropping the lbs like water and I'm sat here wanting to rip the non drinking halo from my head for all the fat lot of good it's doing me!
I actually do like the idea of calorie counting in the longer term. I've never done it before honestly. I enjoy the control. Weirdo that I am. And the fact that I can eat what I want in a perfect world I just need to track it and adjust in other areas. Think that's where I might aim to be once i am a few more stones down.
Another week at 800 Cals then its holiday time for me for a week. I think after that I'll give it another go. Any ideas how long you can do it for? I don't want to do anything silly health wise

PhyllisWig · 27/07/2017 08:44

KTD I though it was 8 weeks then a 4 week break then another 8 weeks etc. May be wrong though. Also boys do smell weightloss wise. Mine has been vaguely the same weight for 20 years despite having a shite diet. If he drops a couple of beers and the extra kitkats he drops half a stone in a fortnight. Bastard.

Thank you for yoghurt hints. No Aldi near me but will try the others.

Also I AM NO LONGER OVERWEIGHT Grin

Had a bit of a post poo whoosh and today's scales show 10 stone and 3/4 of a lb. am chuffed to bits as I've been working on getting here for 2 and a half years now in and off.

If I could get into the 9s a week on Friday that would be immense but I've got here. Next challenge is maintaining between 10 and 10.5 stone.

KTD27 · 27/07/2017 12:45

Good for you Phyllis!! Lord I can't wait to be able to say that!
Ok so 4 week break in which one week will be holiday heaven help me and 3 5:2 weeks.
Then back on it for another 8 weeks!
Doesn't sound so bad when you write it like that 😬 Honest...

tobee · 27/07/2017 12:47

bear 5 lbs is 5 lbs, don't sniff at it.

Plus list wise the thing with me and it being on a computer might be more to do with me being likely to forget everything otherwise. In fact I even had a dream the other night where we went on holiday and I realised I'd forgotten my entire suitcase.

PhyllisWig · 27/07/2017 13:11

Bear, my daughter was 5lb at birth. That's 2 bags of flour. 10 packs of butter. That's a lot

APlaceOnTheCouch · 27/07/2017 13:15

Phyllis congrats on no longer being overweight! Flowers I hope you mark it or reward yourself in some (non-edible!) way Grin
My sleep pattern has been all over the place this week and I've rarely moved from the sofa because I'm working from home. I feel sluggish and grumpy. I'm going to try to get out for a walk and see if that makes me feel better. I've been good on cals and carbs so far but it's not making any difference to how I feel and I'm avoiding the scales because I don't feel lighter. I think I've hit a post-holiday slump - I want to be on holiday in a sunny place again! Sad

tobee · 27/07/2017 14:14

Two things I'm not good at doing.

  1. drinking enough water. Still not doing this.
  2. eating mindfully. As in I'm mumsnetting while eating, or watching tv, etc.
tobee · 27/07/2017 14:14

Two things I'm not good at doing.

  1. drinking enough water. Still not doing this.
  2. eating mindfully. As in I'm mumsnetting while eating, or watching tv, etc.
tobee · 27/07/2017 14:15

Sorry for double post. That's so annoying!

Oblomov17 · 27/07/2017 14:49

Well done Phyllis!!

I am off on holiday too, I'll see you all in a couple of weeks.

I too don't feel that phase 2 and 3 were anything like as successful as phase 1.

Which leads me into the second 'pondering' of why this isn't working/why it's not more effective/can I keep it up long term? Like Bear, I put in a lot of effort. Generally, during the week, meal planning etc. And then I come undone with a couple of glasses of wine and some crisps. Hmm

I'm going to give this some thought... whilst lying by the pool.....

APlaceOnTheCouch · 27/07/2017 15:10

Oblomov enjoy your holiday!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 27/07/2017 16:27

Oblo enjoy your holiday. I'm planning to enjoy mine, and come back refreshed and ready to tackle it again, although maybe in a different way.

In preparation I have just bought myself a nice new notebook in asda, so I can start jotting down the things from my reading that stand out as being relevant, and also get my menus planned ready for when I return. This is largely because as well as being a list maker, I am an offload-writer. Writing it all down and planning seems to be the way I resolve all my conflicts! English teacher

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tobee · 27/07/2017 16:47

Maybe we all just respond to the novelty first time?

I am also off on holiday. Not sure what I will do there but plan to start again when I get back in just over a week, all guns blazing. I'm gonna need you guys!!

Happy holidays! 👓not sure I'll need those in Suffolk

yumyumpoppycat · 27/07/2017 17:29

I think you have hit the nail on the head tobee

Have a wonderful holiday Oblomov and Bear!!

yourewelcome · 28/07/2017 06:58

R1w2d5 and I'm 9lb down. Lost lots of weight off my face and I think a bit around my tummy. Really much better. I'm sticking to the menu plan in the recipe book as I just want to be
Told what to do while I get to grips with it.

My favourites so far..,

Pork & halloumi burgers
Courgetti with beans and bacon
Salmon with dill and lemon crust

And even though I hate porridge I've really enjoyed the apple & cinnamon porridge.

Thanks to whoever recommended Happy Scale it's brilliant!

JigglyTuff · 28/07/2017 09:43

Not been on here in a while but I'm still keeping on. Well, I've been away for a couple of days and drank wine and ate marshmallows (!) but largely stuck to low carb and have gained a pound so I'm happy with that.

Been back on it now 2 days and my shape has definitely changed. I have to say though that I've been under 800 cals most days. My new favourite dinner is shakshouka - which is in the 5:2 recipe book (I got mine in the Works 1/2 price - worth looking out for). Stupidly low calorie, filling and delicious :)

I hope everyone has lovely holidays. I'm back at work now for the next two weeks before I go off on my next mini-break so I'm hoping to break the stone barrier and get into the 11s.

tobee · 28/07/2017 13:14

Still don't understand Happy Scale. 😔

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