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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 37 - Having our cake (batter off the spoon: 15 calories per lick - thanks MFP!) and eating it too (tomorrow).

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BetsyBell · 22/01/2014 16:25

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a TDEE calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV/LSV = Non scale victory/Lifestyle (change) victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

Other Threads
All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Tips and Links : Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

Inspirational: eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.

Recipes: frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

Exercise: bigchocfrenzy has an incredibly informative and helpful exercise and fitness thread for discussion and advice on combining 5:2 with an exercise regime.

Maintaining: If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Other links
This is a BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon - link to that programme here.

This Telegraph article comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting.

This blog post gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this article appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI. (Though anecdotal evidence from these long-running threads may suggest otherwise…)

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this way of life!

OP posts:
DorisAllTheDay · 26/01/2014 11:50

By the way, what does LOF stand for? I've seen it a couple of times now on this thread.

Abi01 · 26/01/2014 11:53

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ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 26/01/2014 11:54

NotAsTired - I hope you feel better very soon. Don't worry about eating. Just eat what and when you want. DH and I were ill for a month and it was awful The only good thing is it is the end of January and we still have Christmas treats to enjoy.

Doris - LOF is liquid only fast.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 26/01/2014 11:57

That is brilliant Abi01! Well done you.

I have lost a few centimetres off my thighs so I am celebrating a NSV too. It is about 4cm after I measured this morning, with it being 6cm since July 2012.

MorrisZapp · 26/01/2014 12:02

That's awesome Abi! Your libk

MorrisZapp · 26/01/2014 12:03

...your link took me to my own pic though.

WARNING! nobody click on my pic on a FD. Just saying!

Abi01 · 26/01/2014 12:05

Ooops sorry I will try and sort it now :)

Abi01 · 26/01/2014 12:09

Oh I dont know how to do a link Blush

Feel free to just go onto my profile instead and see my photo though!

Bumblebeejumble · 26/01/2014 12:09

notastired glad to hear you're not fasting; your poor body needs to focus just on fighting off all those nasties. You must feel rotten. Hope you feel better soon...

Abi01 · 26/01/2014 12:10

Ps well done on your NSV Toffee :-)

TalkinPeace · 26/01/2014 12:36

NotasTired
you'd be very welcome in the quiet little maintainers corner : and antibiotics are great at making you feel dire - because of course they whack your gut flora too.

abi you need to make your profile public ....
Morris Cake I can take or leave .... cheese on the other hand Grin

Abi01 · 26/01/2014 12:53

Thanks Talkin

Profile is now public!

zedzedzed · 26/01/2014 13:05

Here's my dinner for tonight.

Sticky Chinese Beef with Coconut Rice

Prepare and weigh veg and set aside.

Sliced onions, 118 g
Halved sugarsnap Peas, 160 g
Sliced mushrooms, 100 g
Freshly frozen mixed vegetables, 150 g (carrots,peas,green beans, sweetcorn)

Marinade the beef in this for at least an hour,out of the fridge:

Finest Scotch Beef Sirloin Steak ( trimmed of fat, scissored into fine strips), 175 g

Runny Honey, 1tsp
Tesco Teriyaki Marinade 10ml
Tesco Hoisin Sauce 15ml
3 minced garlic cloves
Half tsp chilli flakes
1tsp mixed Chinese spice
Half tsp ginger
Mirin rice wine or lime juice 2 tsp
Soy sauce or seasalt

Tilda microwave coconut basmati rice, 250g

Stir fry the veg in a couple of tsp of the meat marinade, microwave the coconut rice.
Flash fry the beef in its marinade for no more than 1minute, mix all together and serve with a sprinkle of fresh coriander on top.

Serves 2
TOTAL CALS: 463 per person (add 120cals between 2 people for 3tsp sesame oil on a NFD)

zedzedzed · 26/01/2014 13:11

notas poor you, I hope your battered body is on the mend and strong again soon.

Third NFD here before Fast Monday. All's gone well really, lunch out for MIL's birthday lunch (posh fish and chips, 4 cheeky drinks, no pud or starter, well under TDEE, salmon salad for dinner later).

Still under TDEE today (no lunch as not hungry...wtf?????) but planning a creme brulee after beefy/rice dinner tonight.

Hope anyone struggling is able to take a breath, re-boot, re-focus and remember that tomorrow is a fresh, clean slate again...it always is with this woe.

XXX

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 26/01/2014 13:12

Roast dinner has been had. My mash was just delicious Smile. I feel like I would like something sweet but as I want to do a 24 hour LOF I am trying to work out what to do. Have just realised that I could start now and then have lunch tomorrow or have something sweet early evening and then fast until Monday evening Confused.

Emmabryant123 · 26/01/2014 13:18

Have been following this thread for a while but rarely post.
Today I have had porridge with chopped banana and heaped teaspoon of Nutella at 10:30am and I am not hungry for lunch .
Cottage pie and veg for dinner later though.
Tomorrow is a 500 cal fast day.
Nothing till dinner except liquids. Although may have a small soup mid afternoon if very hungry.
Not sure on dinner tomorrow. Either soup protein + veg.

wildwater · 26/01/2014 13:31

Great title for new thread. I don't eat breakfast anymore, but end up tasting the batter for the raspberry & white chocolate muffins I am baking every day to sell at the lake. The batter is quite delicious. Probably just two licks.

Am currently just under 58 kg and fighting fit. Belts I brought here from NZ that were tightish now do up to the last notch, loosely! My size 10 jeans are baggy - can't wait to get new non-stretch in the right size. (NZ 8, or 6 - am fascinated to find out.)

For the first time ever I am not terrified of regaining weight. Doing 5:2 really has re-educated my attitude towards eating. Because it has never been a 'diet' it is easy to plan continuing indefinitely. I notice now that my body really does 'speak'. I had just never listened before. Sometimes now my body is indeed telling me to eat more, as I am working hard, walking a lot, and still losing weight.

This morning I played outside with my cat Gris. He raced up a tree, and then it occurred to me: how easy it would be to join him there.

Well, I pulled myself up (with my yoga-toned arms) and suddenly I was ten years old again! I stayed up the tree with the cat for quite a while. It was extremely comfortable and felt like another home.

So now I know - I can happily climb up & jump back down from trees again, just the same as I used to when i lived half my life up them, often wedged in with a book. Grin

BigChocFrenzy · 26/01/2014 13:41

Notas Big (({hugs})) and Flowers
That sounds a rotten collection of lurgies. I do hope you soon feel 100% again.
For now, your body needs nutrients to recover, so no fasting during an antibiotics course. Even afterwards, give yourself a few days before doing an FD.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/01/2014 13:43

WildWater Lovely happy story about joining your cat. Rediscovering your tree-climbing skills / feline side has to be an NSV.

Bumblebeejumble · 26/01/2014 13:48

Right, have decided to try a LOF. Any advice? I've had 1 x white tea, 1 x berocca and lots of water. Can I have more tea, or does it have to be water only?

Sorelip · 26/01/2014 14:53

I haven't posted in ages, and only did so the once, which would usually mean I wasn't sticking to the diet. In this case, I have been, and am already 11lb down from the end of December. Some of that is down to my body returning to normal after birth, but it's still pretty good.

I can't believe how easy 5:2 really is! I know I can stick with it because of it's (IMO) two best points. 1) It really does reduce my appetite overall, so I'm not always thinking about food. 2) It doesn't come with a massive list of things to buy in order for it to be successful. In fact I'm saving money on my food bill because I'm not munching mindlessly.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/01/2014 15:26

Bumble Tea is fine, as much as you like. You can sweeten it with Stevia, say, if you want. You can also have espresso, coffee, even crappy diet fizz, basically any zero-cal liquid you like for LOFs.

If it helps to make it bearable: an LOF counts as zero-cal if you have a total of less than 50 cals in the 24 hrs, because that tiny amount won't affect your insulin levels.
So, you can have tiny splashes of say skimmed milk or unsweetened almond milk in your hot drinks. BUT put your day's milk in a little jug in advance, so you don't judge by eye and go over 50 cals.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/01/2014 15:30

Good to hear how well you are feeling on 5:2, SoreLip.
If you are BFing, we normally recommend starting at 1000 cal FDs and slowly reducing to 700 cals if you feel ok. That amount makes quite a civilised FD. You decide what suits your life.
Smile

Bumblebeejumble · 26/01/2014 15:48

Oooh bigchoc that's a good tip about the jug. Ta!

Emmabryant123 · 26/01/2014 16:18

Just had dinner cottage pie and veg
Then three French fancies and a cuppa tea.
Now am lof till dinner tomorrow.
Not got enough bread for a sandwich for lunch anyway. Only got a roll for dh, dd and ds anyway.
So wont have any food to take as no left overs from dinner and no soup or anything make and not going to bother with pasta salad.
The hard part will be resisting buying a cake, might just not take the money other than for coffee then I can't buy one hmm

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