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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 36 - Fighting (& losing) the Battle of the Bulge? Eating too much junk? 5:2 is a healthy, sustainable way to achieve & maintain your goal weight. Join our friendly support group!

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BigChocFrenzy · 14/01/2014 15:27

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.
The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.
By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.
You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.
WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.
MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.
TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a TDEE calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.
NFD = Non fast day
NSV/LSV = Non scale victory/Lifestyle (change) victory
Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!
Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.
Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:
Other Threads
All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.
Tips and Links : Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!
Inspirational: eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.
Recipes: frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!
Exercise: bigchocfrenzy has an incredibly informative and helpful exercise and fitness thread for discussion and advice on combining 5:2 with an exercise regime.
Maintaining: If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.
Other links
This is a BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon - link to that programme here.
This Telegraph article comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting.
This blog post gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.
This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.
A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")
Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this article appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI. (Though anecdotal evidence from these long-running threads may suggest otherwise…)
A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.
A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!
Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this way of life!

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TimeToPassGo · 20/01/2014 10:29

Just checking in from the WW 5:2 hybrid Smile sympathy to all having nobber babies at the minute. Bit of that here too and tiredness definitely makes me munchy. At the minute appetite seems lower though.

Two low point days now ahead of my weigh in on Wed. My version of fast days.

postmanpatscat · 20/01/2014 10:39

Morning all

Just a FD check in for me from frosty west London. I think I'd be cold today whether fasting or not, my classroom is basically a wooden box that leaks heat in every possible direction...brrrr! So far two cups of peppermint tea and a malted milk biscuit, because I fancied one.

Hope the rest of today's fasters are keeping warm and burning fat!

Southeastdweller · 20/01/2014 10:42

A year of doing this and fasting when I’ve had a bad nights sleep is still tough. But I’ve the afternoon off tomorrow and a nice lunch planned so that’s keeping me going as is a fairly busy workload.

Buttermint tea sounds nice – do supermarkets in the U.K sell it?

Keep at it everyone Smile.

Dotty342kids · 20/01/2014 10:52

Betsy 50 miles is a proper lot of exercising - very impressive, whoever it is. And agree with your risk assessment that it's too icy out there for a cycle ride - get some sturdy shoes on and march to the shops instead Smile

RavenousRunner · 20/01/2014 11:04

Southeast I get my butter mint tea at Waitrose, but I think Sainsburys have it as well, should be with the other Twinings herbal ones. It is heavenly - in fact I'm going to have some now rather than another cup of coffee.

annielewis · 20/01/2014 11:19

Hi all, first proper FD for me since Christmas, have had a few failed attempts and need to get my head back in the zone!

Am cold and feeling not to bad right now but got to get through lunch for my two toddlers - theyd better not leave any!! I'm the same as a few of you - if I eat anything it will wake the hunger beast and resistance will be futile (hence the recent failed FD's!)

Good luck to all you other Monday Fasters

I think I need buttermint tea in my life! Also for all you other chilly fasters - bovril with a splash of tabasco - got the tip of a previous thread and find it really helps if i am feeling chilly and its hardly any cals!

zedzedzed · 20/01/2014 11:19

Yes southeast although mine's a bit less classy than ravenous' as I got it at Tesco, also by Twinings.

We're almost a third of the way through this FD folks.

More tea I think.

One chair painted, one to go. Will re-upholster (badly) tonight to keep the bedtime munchies at bay.

Salmon and sprouting salad for my FD dinner tonight, not warming but it's what I fancy.

Christmas2013 · 20/01/2014 11:21

Hi - new to 5:2 and newish to mumsnet, I've been stalking you folks on here seeing how you cope with 5:2 for a week or so, thought it was only polite to say hi!
I am on my 3rd fast day, 1st two weren't nearly as bad as I expected - all novel and fun I guess! Today has been harder - it's wet season where I am and it literally hasn't stopped pouring with rain since I got up (it's now 7pm!) and it's been grey and wet for weeks which is getting me down a bit. Still, I'm lucky not to have cold and icy roads to contend with! (I did my knee in coming off my bike in ice and snow 10+ years ago now and it still causes me problems so I'd definitely agree no cycling in the ice!).
I did my 1st serious fasted exercise session tonight and definitely found it harder than a regular week despite having about 200 cals for lunch. Still, DP is making mushroom curry for dinner - according to strict instructions so it should only be about 150 cal/portion giving me enough left for lots of broccoli!
A quick question, does anyone find it difficult to eat all their calories on NFD if they are trying really hard to avoid 'junk'? If so, does it slow form your weight loss by slowing metabolism? I'm trying to eat healthily on NFD because I don't want to undo my fast day good work by eating lots of sugar and spiking my blood sugar or eating saturated fat. I don't eat much meat (try to only eat welfare friendly type meat which isn't really possible here) so if I try not to eat too many carbs and only healthy stuff the calorie count often seems a bit low. Do I need to get out of the standard diet mentality and treat myself more?! I'm a bit worried that 5:2 and low carb, low sugar, low fat is not physically or mentally sustainable for the long run!

BetsyBell · 20/01/2014 11:31

Hi Christmas, thanks for dropping in!

It's worth looking at your calorie intake over a week - that way you can not worry too much about not using up your tdee on week days but have room to splurge a bit at the weekends.

No need to eat sugar to bump up calories, horrible stuff really. Nuts and seeds are fantastic and excellently nutritious and calorific. Proper butter, cheese and full fat yogurts (if available where you are) or lots of oil-based dressings on salads etc. Coconut, coconut oil, avocado, bananas, eggs all good.

Eating 'proper' fat (ie not trans fats) is a good thing, eating sugar and carbs isn't so good. If you're going low carb you have to get out of the 'low fat' mindset.

Hope that helps :)

ErrolTheDragon · 20/01/2014 11:32

Not that cold here - did my shred etc, then was outside helping DH clear the gutters, then holding strange isometric pose trying to put back curtain rail he accidentally demolished while leaning out of window inspecting said gutters.

Asda didn't have buttermint tea Envy.

zedzedzed · 20/01/2014 11:32

christmas I've been asking this question, in loads of different ways over the last 2wks. I'm always 5-700 cals under my TDEE thing, and just hope it's ok...I had an on target TDEE day on Saturday for the first time...I think eating LESS food but more valuable (good fats, cheese, oil, protein) has helped me approach my TDEE and feel so satisfied compared to other'diets'. It's my worry too as Low Fat/Low Cal diets have been my undoing in the past. But as I'm new too and not weighing in for at least a month, I can't answer properly really, sorry.

Breadandwine · 20/01/2014 11:33

Morning, folks!

Another one fasting today - 16 hours so far, then aiming for a sub 150 calorie curry tonight.

Hopeful only an Aussie would talk about 'hot chips'! Grin

Reminds me of when I emigrated to Oz in 1961. Landing in Fremantle we crossed over this walkway into the town itself - and the first thing we saw was a flashing neon sign, 'HOT CHIPS!'

We poms looked at one another and said, 'Are there any other sort?' Grin

Turned out that in those days, not sure if this still applies, the chip shop would make all the days chips in the morning, then just reheat them as and when required! Shock

I spent twelve years in Australia (in the RAAF) and absolutely loved my time out there!

Happy days!

Just a note to those struggling today - it will get easier, honest!

In fact you'll soon discover that the FDs are the easy ones!

Good luck!

B&W

zedzedzed · 20/01/2014 11:34

Cross posts betsy yes Christmas, listen to *betsy!

BetsyBell · 20/01/2014 11:38

I can't stand all the LOW FAT nonsense zed, it's poisoned our diets and made us fearful of good, nutritious food. Our school serves low fat (high sugar) yogurts to growing kids! It's all wrong - dairy fat is full of nutrition! Extra sugar is bad! Modified starch to thicken up the low fat stuff is just extra pointless carbs!

Can you tell I have issues with the food/diet industry/ Grin

ELR · 20/01/2014 11:41

Morning all, thanks for the hugs tip and mrsf
I'm fasting today but I'm freezing! We've had no heating or hot water since Thursday and it's really starting to take it's toll! I just want to be warm.............Had a bit of a porky weekend loads of nuts and fish and chips on Saturday and then had a massive cooked brunch yesterday and then made paella for tea. I also made a lemon, raspberry and polenta cake and had two fat slices and some white choc, cranberry and pecan cookies and had two of those. So really need to redeem myself today and stick to my fast......
Just had a cup of bouillon with a chipotle chilli in it, gave it a lovely smokey, spicy kick.

zedzedzed · 20/01/2014 11:43

Yes! Me too! I don't mind a reduced fat product if it tastes the same and isn't full of shite...but I'd rather have a small amount of the real deal. I'm not a sugar junky though, I'm a fat junky...so this is going great so far...I just have to watch the white carbs as they tend to trigger overeating. Not with this wol so far. Time will tell.

Off back on nursery run...chin up curve approaching the half way point soon.

CLENCH

DRINK WATER

MelanieCheeks · 20/01/2014 12:10

Half way through - miso soup time. Then a walk in the sunshine.

curveballs · 20/01/2014 12:13

Thanks zed. I popped out earlier to get some cold and flu tablets and feeling heaps better. Going to try to hold out another hour before I have my soup. Have to say you are sounding incredibly creative!
Buttermint tea sounds amazing. I have sent my dh out on his lunch break to try and locate some, bless him.

Welcome Christmas Smile

Hope everyone else on FDs today are doing ok. And all on NFDs too. Smile

almostthereagain · 20/01/2014 12:19

First proper FD here for some time, determined to come under 500 rather than yet another 'light' dayHmm
Forgotten how cold I would get but not feeling so sorry for myself now ELR, poor you!
Got to ask Zed what's clench?! Tea, coffee & hot marmite so far, keep going everyone.

zedzedzed · 20/01/2014 12:29

um, it's a reminder to someone, I forget who now, but it's good for everyone, to do pelvic floor exercises!

almostthereagain · 20/01/2014 12:31

Ahh! Gotya!

lucyintheskywithdinos · 20/01/2014 12:32

I don't ever eat carbs at lunch any more, I go a bit carb mad if I do. I'm much less likely to over eat if I keep the carbs to dinner time.

Just finished a plate of tofu scramble, with loads of veggies, lime and chilli sauce.

zedzedzed · 20/01/2014 12:42

Yeah, maybe we've over-sold the buttermint tea...it's not like it's as good as cake! But it is kind of minty/creamy/vanilla-y tasting.

Well done curve and everyone else...we're about half way.

lucy yeah, although I've had bread and rice and potatoes in small portions on NFDs, I'm waiting till I feel more established in this woe before chancing spaghetti again as it's the main reason I got this big...when I was preggo, both times it's all I wanted and I could eat a whole packet in a day (olive oil, garlic, chilli, fennel, honey, chorizo, black olives, parmesan...STOP IT ZED!)

Tea-tea-tea-tea.....

postmanpatscat · 20/01/2014 12:44

Just been out for a power walk with colleagues, I nominated myself as pacemaker and knocked a minute and a half off their previous PB! Now time for more peppermint tea and lots of marking.

Christmas2013 · 20/01/2014 12:47

Thanks so much Betsy and Zed - yes, I do have a bit of a 'fat is bad' mindset. I'm quite happy to add more cheese to my diet - it's probably my favourite food! I can't get a massive variety here but can get a few types. I've been trying to get as much of my protien as I can from lentils and beans recently as I suspect my over indulgence in cheese previously hasn't helped the weight gain but now on 5:2 I guess it's allowed again :-). Yoghurt I make myself in one of the EasyYo things - at the moment I have 4 sachets of Low Fat Greek Style to use up for now (at least a months worth!) but hopefully I'll be able to get regular fat next time the shop get sachets in stock - things here appear and dissapear so you buy in bulk while it's available!
Nuts and seeds are a good idea - again I've been really limiting them for fat content. Mmm... Full fat yoghurt with nuts and seeds on top for breakfast!