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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 36 - Fighting (& losing) the Battle of the Bulge? Eating too much junk? 5:2 is a healthy, sustainable way to achieve & maintain your goal weight. Join our friendly support group!

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BigChocFrenzy · 14/01/2014 15:27

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.
The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.
By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.
You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.
WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.
MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.
TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a TDEE calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.
NFD = Non fast day
NSV/LSV = Non scale victory/Lifestyle (change) victory
Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!
Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.
Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:
Other Threads
All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.
Tips and Links : Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!
Inspirational: eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.
Recipes: frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!
Exercise: bigchocfrenzy has an incredibly informative and helpful exercise and fitness thread for discussion and advice on combining 5:2 with an exercise regime.
Maintaining: If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.
Other links
This is a BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon - link to that programme here.
This Telegraph article comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting.
This blog post gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.
This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.
A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")
Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this article appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI. (Though anecdotal evidence from these long-running threads may suggest otherwise…)
A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.
A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!
Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this way of life!

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Lilliput · 17/01/2014 17:55

Yeah plan to loads of salad and veg but am particularly hungry on this fast day. Don't know why.

zedzedzed · 17/01/2014 18:14

Beware MFP! It gets in a muddle and it may make us a bit fatter than we meant to be!

Answers to 'how many calories in 200g of sirloin steak' varied from 400 to 800! This included scanning the barcode (which it claimed to be from a totally different shop!) Have Googled around a bit and seem to get a consistent 40-50cals per 20g,(400cals per 200g steak) depending how much you trim the fat. Phew.

So it may be worth double checking if it's something you eat often.

Coveredinweetabix · 17/01/2014 18:30

Anaemia - thank you for those who replied. Interestingly, I am drinking less milk than I used to and am only having one fish dish a week as opposed to two or three. I've gone out & got a multi vit & iron supplement so will see if that helps and, if not, go to the GP.

Turkey/Shy/other newbies wondering what you can eat on your NFD - I did eat whatever I wanted on my NFDs for tge first month I did this and my weight went down by 2lbs after my two FDs but had gone back up by those same 2lbs after my NFDs. As a pp said, you can only eat what you want if what you want happens to be within your TDEE. If what you want is a couple of slices of toast as you're a bit peckish & its a couple of hours until dinner or the doughnuts were 2p in the supermarket because their sell by date is that day or you've had a tough day and "deserve" a treat, then you will not be able to eat that every NFD. I have had to learn not just what is normal but what is normal for me. And what is normal for me is very different to what was normal for my parents as U was growing up. My parents had physical jobs and out only form of heating was the log fire for which they had to chop down & saw up and a lot of our food came from the vegetables they grew. I have a sedentary job &, due to where we live, drive pretty much everywhere. Whilst I view a mid afternoon slice of cake and pudding after dinner as normal as its what I grew up with, it cannot be normal for my lifestyle.

MrsF - woohoo indeed!

Coveredinweetabix · 17/01/2014 18:31

zed - apparently acidic foods like kiwi and tomato are horribly painful if you have blisters in your mouth from h,f & m.

Emmabryant123 · 17/01/2014 18:42

Starting this woe tomorrow again. I have gained 5 pounds in a week. So need to start again as I'm binging.
Whole pack of biscuits yesterday plus two sandwiches, big dinner etc.
Been same all week.
Going to buy a ready meal for dinner as I don't want to fart about counting and weighing or cooking. And dh is cooking for him and kids.
Can I pop in for support please during the day!?

BigChocFrenzy · 17/01/2014 18:56

Hi Emma, I'm fasting tomorrow as well, so we can be FD buddies.
Good luck !

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TalkinPeace · 17/01/2014 19:06

clarinet
welcome aboard - these threads are a happy - if slightly demented place

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 17/01/2014 19:06

BsshBossh - they are bread. Make the dough, add cheese and dried pineapple. Knead, roll out to 2cm thickness, cut into squares and bake for 10 minutes.

Emmabryant123 · 17/01/2014 19:07

Thanks big choc.
I really have binged today :(
Two rounds white bread sandwiches with chicken and mayo and cheese in both, two bag crisps, chocolate bar, banana.
Large stir fry
Whole tub Ben and jerries
Whole pack biscuits
One pear :(

Thinking soup for dinner!
Am fasting Monday to

TalkinPeace · 17/01/2014 19:07

on a different thread a lovely poster linked to this ....
www.pathwaystoresilience.org/wp-content/themes/pathwaystrust/Documents/My-Friends-Youth/Session%204/Mindfulness%20Exercise%20-%20Chocolate.pdf
substitute whatever food is your poison, but its a lovely walk through mindful eating ...

TalkinPeace · 17/01/2014 19:09

toffee
you've done it again
how can ANYBODY near you stay slim when you pop such yummy recipes in without warning Grin

BsshBossh · 17/01/2014 19:10

Aah, dried pineapple. Sounds lovely. DH is the bread maker in our family so will pass on to him. Thanks Toffee.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 17/01/2014 19:22

I can type out the proper recipe if you want BsshBossh as long as we warn TiP* first Grin.

ErrolTheDragon · 17/01/2014 19:24

Emma - I like ready meals on FDs too. Good that your DH is cooking for himself and the kids, that's really helpful! Smile

On the subject of 'eating what you want' - I interpret it as 'nothing is now taboo' - but obviously you can't eat unlimited amounts in one day.

Eatriskier · 17/01/2014 19:27

I feel this is the perfect time to give my healthy living advice again.

You can eat

  • what you like
  • when you like
  • how much you like

You may only pick 2 of the above.

FanFuckingTastic · 17/01/2014 19:28

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zedzedzed · 17/01/2014 19:35

covered in thanks, yeah, he's been struggling with acidic foods and also salty foods like Marmite, I guess they sting the ulcers; poor wee blighter... I didn't know it was H.F & M and kept telling him to eat his bloomin toast... especially on my FDs! Ooops.

turkeybaby · 17/01/2014 19:43

woo hoo dinner time finally. i've hardly had anything today so i get a pork chop and steamed veg :) FD2 nearly done!

liliput i'm intrigued to know what happened with your dinner and the falafels.. what did you do..

Lilliput · 17/01/2014 19:55

Had 3 felafels which was 201 calories and a big salad with yoghurt and Tabasco dressing that came to 91 calories. It was ok. I have 58 calories left.
201 calories on 3 felafels was not calories well spent.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes · 17/01/2014 19:55

First fd of 2014 (no good reason for the delay - pure avoidance) and it was quite easy. I'm cold and tired now though so I'm already in bed.

Feels good :)

turkeybaby · 17/01/2014 20:03

actually no i can't! i looked up pork chop on MFP and it said it was 185 cals. but i just scanned the packet - first time I've done that! - and it said it was loads more.

so just the veg then

can't stop scanning stuff now

BigChocFrenzy · 17/01/2014 20:10

Tip Thanks for the link on mindfulness and eating choc.
It is excellent and I will follow that advice for my next 90% Lindt nibble.
Flowers

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BigChocFrenzy · 17/01/2014 20:15

Emma Tomorrow I'm just having espresso for my usual FD breakfast, then I might make veg soup, ending the day with a post-training protein shake.
Have you decided your menu yet ?

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BsshBossh · 17/01/2014 20:17

Toffee yes please for the recipe :)

zedzedzed · 17/01/2014 20:18

turkey see my post above re MFP making stuff up with bar codes etc. Check here too:

www.weightlossresources.co.uk/calories/calorie_counter/chicken_meat.htm

Pork chop 260cals per 100g

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