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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 35 - A new year’s resolution you’ll want to keep? Try 5:2 - it's not a diet, it's a lifestyle. Whether you want to shift fat, get healthy or discover some missing self control -

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BetsyBell · 08/01/2014 17:11

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a TDEE calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV/LSV = Non scale victory/Lifestyle (change) victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

Other Threads
All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Tips and Links : Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

Inspirational: eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.

Recipes: frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

Exercise: bigchocfrenzy has an incredibly informative and helpful exercise and fitness thread for discussion and advice on combining 5:2 with an exercise regime.

Maintaining: If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Other links
This is a BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon - link to that programme here.

This Telegraph article comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting.

This blog post gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this article appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI. (Though anecdotal evidence from these long-running threads may suggest otherwise…)

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this way of life!

OP posts:
AngieM2 · 09/01/2014 19:43

Can I run this by the experts? I'm post nights, last ate 4am, just caved and had a homemade carrot and chilli soup (85 cal). Doing spin tomorrow morning and not planning to eat until about 1pm so thats about 33 hours on 85 calls. That's a perfectly respectable fast isn't it? And can you count this soup as a LOF as it's well whizzed down/puréed? PS to the newbies....I drink about 5 cups of tea on a FD and never count my skimmed milk as it's tiny (ok, maybe I'm cheating!)

mscnile · 09/01/2014 19:43

I think the Romans ate guinea pigs too. I think thyme and lemon would be good.

HandMini · 09/01/2014 19:44

Hi all, I just started the 5:2 as a New Years resolution, and have managed 3 FDs so far - I'm aiming for Tuesdays and Thursdays.

Any good ideas for what is most filling?

So far I've been doing porridge or an apple for breakfast, cup a soup for lunch and some kind of veg stir fry or soup for supper. Does this sound ok?

What is everyone's opinion on the zero noodles? Apparently only 8cal a pack.

And what are the best low cal ready meals....I think I might switch to a ready meal in the evenings if I can afford the calories.

HandMini · 09/01/2014 19:45

Angie, glad to hear it on the tea. I've been drinking 5 (big) cups a day - 3 herbal and 2 real with skimmed milk.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted · 09/01/2014 19:46

How is the new thread up to page seven already? Crikey we talk a lot.

Haven't read through the thread yet but will look once dd is asleep. NFD for me and have spent the day making chocolate orange cup cakes with dd. Seriously calorie laden day (cupcakes have a ganache topping) but had lots of fun.

Weighed myself, when I started in the new year I was 11 stone 10.5 now I am 11 stone 7.5. So not too bad so far.

right I'm off to read the rest of the thread

ErrolTheDragon · 09/01/2014 19:49

think the Romans ate guinea pigs too
can't have, they're from the Andes - none available prior to 1492. It was dormice that the Romans ate.

mscnile · 09/01/2014 19:54

Ahh that's it Errol, I had a vague primary school memory!

ErrolTheDragon · 09/01/2014 19:55

Handmini, I tend to think not so much in terms of what's 'filling' as of what will be less likely to make me hungry later on. It's not quite the same thing - carbs are 'filling' at the time but don't keep the hunger at bay as well as other things. Everyone varies - what works for me is to not eat in the morning and then either a very light soup or an apple at lunchtime, and then a meal with a reasonable amount of protein and a lot of veg in the evening. Tonight was a Sainsbo's BGTY thai curry with a pile of extra spinach.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 09/01/2014 20:04

Thanks for the new thread Betsy

FD tomorrow for me.

Have eaten too much today (2 large meals) but still kept to 16:8.

frenchfancy · 09/01/2014 20:04

handmini that sounds fine, but you may find that you would be less hungry if you skipped the porridge/apple in the morning. I know it sounds counter intuitive, and every diet you have ever been on has told you you HAVE to eat breakfast, but there it is. Those of us who have been doing this a while (I've been on 5:2 for 1yr and 4mths) have in general found the longer you hold off from eating the easier it becomes. Yes you may be unbearably hungry at 8:30am but if you hold off the you find by 9am that feeling has gone away and doesn't come back again until maybe 11:45am. By not using up your calories at breakfast it means you can have a bigger evening meal to avoid going to bed hungry, and it means you give your body longer in a true fast which helps with the health benefits (16 hours is where you start seeing some true benefits, improving up to 24 hours).

ErrolTheDragon · 09/01/2014 20:07

Do many of you do 2 (or 3) FDs which are in the 16:8 pattern and also try to do 16:8 on the NFDs?

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 09/01/2014 20:09

Righto!

Am not on full power at mo as am in bed with a servere case of the arse Jan blues or is it just my chocked up life ......

But first thoughts are....I'm thinking....you're a woman with simple tastes - none of that poncey rich stuff - you lurrve choc (and have access to extra now you're in MrsF's cellar, so.....can only be one thing.....

Melt in middle Guinea Pig.

We'll inject chocolate up its bum, then smear it with nut butter and a sprinkle of sea salt, before roasting to get ourselves a nice bit of crackling too.

Optional: serve with a peanut butter jus/coulis

ErrolTheDragon · 09/01/2014 20:12

Note: recipes involving small rodents are not a necessary part of the 5:2 diet. Though I suppose they might put some of you off your grub...Grin

zedzedzed · 09/01/2014 20:14

Vom, vom, vom Cuckoo! Actually...I bet you salted caramel piggie tastes GOOD!

zedzedzed · 09/01/2014 20:19

(hmm)

bumbumsmummy · 09/01/2014 20:20

Talkinpeace

Have to admit its new to me I just wanted the calorie counting to be done for me as this is my first week

But if I'm honest I think I'm not drinking enough two cups of peppermint tea

I've got the fast diet books and cook books need to menu plan and cook fresh next week I think is that better then ready meals ?

zedzedzed · 09/01/2014 20:20
Hmm
zedzedzed · 09/01/2014 20:20

Sorry, just working out the smileys!

kirlou69 · 09/01/2014 20:23

We DID it, survived our first fast day 7pm til 7pm with only 500 calories. We had porridge in the morning, I drank black coffee and water, daughter stuck to water and one diet coke. Just ate a plate of stir fry and singapore noodles and plum/soy sauce all from M&S - it tasted amazing! Now both feeling full and satisfied and looking forward to breakfast tomorrow morning. Grin

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 09/01/2014 20:23

Pity it's just guinea pigs (sigh)....

Always wanted to have a crack at a Guinsterbil...

Gerbil inside a hamster inside a guinea pig. Would've had choc layered between each. Oh well!

Have had little more time to think .... I think we could go bit more technical but keeping it real too for you..

Would bone the gp (tut tut!), lay it out.

Cover it in thick layer of rice pudding, then put a long sausage of ganache type choc in middle, roll it back up and secure with string. Roast in oven. Allow to cool. Stick a cadbury's creme egg in its gob for presentation.

To serve cut into slices. Et voila!

Mumraathenoisylion · 09/01/2014 20:39

Hello! I've just done my second fast day (tried in a row, failed miserably) and might hang around here for some tips and advice if that's ok? My main motivation is to help dh stick to it and lose weight and for me to lose around a stone and I'm interested in the health benefits.

I am not a morning eater and so started the day with lunch at 12.30. I made dh and I a miso soup with spring greens, beansprouts, shiitake mushrooms and carrots. It was quite yummy and very low calorie - 117. I can post recipe if needed.

This afternoon I went out as i struggle being at home when fasting and tonight I made quorn chilli which was surprisingly filling.

My only issue is the dull headache I've got. Any ideas on how to get rid of ot?

TalkinPeace · 09/01/2014 20:42

bumbum
two cups of tea is nowhere near enough
I have about 4 pints of tea and two pints of water on a fast day
ready meals / fast slap up suppers : depends on mood

tonight was a pot of soup, a slice of bread and a banana
but I was mainlining tea as I was working this afternoon. (TiP luffs caffeine)

Bigchoc
There is a wonderful old Delia book called Frugal food ....
the other recipe in it ( definitely for an NFD ) is called

Eggs Alpine
preheat the oven
get a gratin dish and smear butter around it a bit
grate 50g of cheddar cheese per person into it
smooth the cheeses down and sprinkle on a few herbs
crack into the dish three eggs per person - trying not to let the yolks break.
grate another 50g of cheese per person over the top
salt and pepper
into the oven until the cheese is bubbling and it does not wobble if moved slightly (so the eggs are solid)
serve with a hunk of bread
calorific bomb but so, so good

DH and I used to eat it when I walked 4 miles to and from work every day in Dover.

TalkinPeace · 09/01/2014 20:42

Mumra
dull headache : drink more water
whole pint at a time

DottiestDoris · 09/01/2014 21:05

Evening all! Am preparing for my second fd tomorrow and feeling half excited at the prospect of shifting some weight, but half terrified as I felt so bloomin ill with it on Monday. But, I'm hoping it can't be any harder, and as im bf I'm going to allow 1000kcal if needed instead of the 750 I stuck to on fd1.
DH is donning his hard hat. It does seem to make me so grumpy Angry

ShyGirlie · 09/01/2014 21:06

Sorry, MORE questions from me!!

  • what is miso soup? I see a lot of people talking about it! Can you buy it, or is it a recipe? Is it good for FD?
  • still relying heavily on the book, but also trying to use MFP to keep track of calories on FD. However, I'm noticing quite a difference in the calories between these two for the same portion sizes?!? Eg porridge oats, tangerines etc. Which one should I stick to?!?

Think I did ok for first FD

LUNCH - 40g porridge (160 cal)

DINNER - chicken stir fry (258 cal) , 145g blueberries (37 cal)

SNACK AFTER DINNER - small satsuma (18 cal), no sugar jelly pot (6 cal)

Have been drinking a load of water, fruit teas (are theses free?!?)

Been a little bit hungry, but manageable.

Now on to NFD until Monday!

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