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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 34 - New Year (title courtesy of B&W) Come and join us and take CONTROL! Of your weight, and of your lives.

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BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 30/12/2013 01:10

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.
The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.
By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.
You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.
WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.
MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.
TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.
NFD = Non fast day
NSV = Non scale victory
Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!
Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.
Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:
All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.
Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!
eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.
frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!
If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.
Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon - link to that programme here.
A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.
This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.
A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)
A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")
Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI. (Though anecdotal evidence from these long-running threads may suggest otherwise…)
A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.
A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!
Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this way of life!

OP posts:
Breadandwine · 06/01/2014 12:22

Haven't read all this morning's posts, but just saw this from Toffee:

Still have loads of cheese to eat up. All fancy as well so not sure I can grate it on the soup!

Before I became a vegan, I used to make Brie parcels quite often. It's very simple, you just roll out a circle of bread dough, place the triangle of Brie in the circle, then bring the dough up and around - cutting off most of the overlapping dough with a pair of scissors.

Sometimes I would take out some of the cheese and mix it with cranberry sauce, then place it back in the cheese before wrapping. Another variation is to do the same with some fried onions - perhaps with a bit of curry powder.

Any hard cheeses can be grated into the flour when you're making a batch of bread. Make cheesy rolls (save some to sprinkle on top) or, (what used to be my favourite), cheesey grissini! Grin

Nowadays I make these with the vegan's friend - nutritional yeast - and, very important - some chilli powder, or flakes.

MrsFlorrick · 06/01/2014 12:24

Toffee. Ouch. Sounds painful.
Can you bandage them up?

Roofs a pain because its listed. It's banded black and red tiles which is part of the listed feature. That means we can't replace the whole roof (always the best result) we have to make patch repairs which isn't ideal. Anyway it's a first world problem.
Grin

NFD here. Did 16:8 so have just had two scrambled eggs on a slice of whole meal seeded bread.

Is anyone else's DC being nightmares?? Mine are. I am ready to commit willful abandonment!!! Is it the weather? Or is it because they miss their friends and want to go back to school? I hope it's not just mine that are behaving appallingly.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/01/2014 12:32

Bssh Fantasising about McD's is the 5:2 equivalent of porn - although many folk sneak the occasional look at a hunk in chains and a ribbon,
not me of course Smile

postmanpatscat · 06/01/2014 12:33

MrsF yes, I have 30 of the little dears today and about 27 of them have completely forgotten how to sit still and listen!

I've just had my third cup of peppermint tea, ignored the staffroom biscuit tin and the homemade cheesecake someone has thoughtfully brought in. good job I don't like cheesecake much anyway

LexingtonBear · 06/01/2014 12:33

MrsFlorrick- my kids (love 'em dearly) are also being a complete nightmare. I (and they) cannot wait for school tomorrow - I think they have come unmoored without their normal routines, much as they loved the initial freedom of the holidays. They are busily engaged in dismembering each other as far as I can tell - I am working as far away as I can upstairs whilst DP attempts (and fails) to exert control downstairs.

But the working at home thing is a nightmare for fast days! I am (oddly) looking forward to being in the office tomorrow (Monday is my work at home day). There is so much temptation at home and I feel more focussed about not eating/eating well when I am at my desk in the office. Still, if I go downstairs to rummage in the fridge I will encounter DDs which from the sound of things is not something I actively want to do right now..maybe I just need to change my first fast of the week to Tues. Though I quite like the logic of a Monday fast, beginning of the week and all that.

However - generally - it is lovely to be back doing this WOE. I have a lot to lose again, but 7lbs down since Weds is a good start (if only it continued at this pace...)

Good luck to all today's fasters.

TalkinPeace · 06/01/2014 13:00

MrsFlorrick
I feel your pain.
We've had water flowing through DDs bedroom right through the ceiling and walls of our big kitchen diner - no idea where its getting in yet but when they dry out we'll need to replaster and repaint lots and lots of walls.

Better eat less to save up the money for it.

Yippee, the kids are back at school and I went to the gym today

Fasting.
4lb up on where I was at the end of term
I'll get there - just SO unfit !

Not2bObvious · 06/01/2014 13:02

Managed 22 hours in total. Had to break as felt dreadful , I can tired or hungry, can't do both! Anyway that's good enough for me. This day is absolutely dragging, cannot wait til home time, I just can't get it together. Sorry to hear of your roof woes MrsF that's a pain

BigChocFrenzy · 06/01/2014 13:06

FD today. I had 100g smoked salmon with tomatoes and pickled onions for lunch, so I had about 16 hrs fast.

I had intended to add green salad from the canteen at work, but there were horrendous queues because they were offering .... a free ice cream for everyone (new caterers' introductory gift).
Right after the holiday gorge, with most tums bulging worse than ever, they were all scrambling for another free 800 junk cals ^^. We really have an obesogenic environment. Why couldn't they have offered a free tangerine instead ?

I wasn't tempted. On the rare occasion now that I fantasise on an FD, it is for freshly baked seedy rolls and hot cheese fondue with pepper & apple sticks to dip or chained-up hunks

Keep going, FDers !

mehefin · 06/01/2014 13:07

Hi Peplum I'm always reading just not posting often. I think the programme was trailed as him talking about 5:2 ,as someone said there's a lot of interest at the moment. They usually do a podcast after as well.

    I consider myself to be a plodder with regards to fasting  -  still fasting my way out of night shifts and most weeks doing a 500cal fast as well. Weight goes down slowly but I am nearly 2 stone lighter than I was when I started a year ago and it doesn't feel like a huge effort. 

  Hope all is well with you
ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 06/01/2014 13:08

BigChoc - thank you for that, I have programmed it into my phone to get some flaxmeal as I go past H&B on the way back from school.

Peplum - I am not sure if I have SAD. I used to like having to be in because it is wet or dark but it was a shock this morning when I looked out and it was still dark. I don't like it that DS1 has to walk to the bus stop when it is barely light. I don't like being out in the dark driving as some people seem to just drive too fast Confused.

BreadandWine - talk to me some more as I read your post and what I think you mean isn't what I am reading Confused.

MrsF - I don't think I need to bandage my wrist but if I want sympathy from DH I will bare it in mind Grin. My kids are doing okay, had physio for DD this morning and soon the RSPCA woman is coming so we are having a quiet day in.

I am ready to eat now. 24 hour fast at 1.15pm finished - if I am allowed to count when I had a small bit of veg soup last night but woman due at 1.30pm so probably should wait until after she has gone.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 06/01/2014 13:10

Not2b - I was wondering where you were and there you are, you posted as I was reading and posting. I have felt sick too. I hope it counts for me .

lucyintheskywithdinos · 06/01/2014 13:12

Oh no! Leaky roofs are not good, we had snow coming in last year...all better now though, roofing work is SO expensive though. Sad

FD going well so far, DD3 is a bit better, which helps and I'm planning a long hot bath with a big mug of tea and a book later. Quite hungry though, going to have a black coffee in a minute which usually kills my appetite for a few hours.

Papayasoup · 06/01/2014 13:24

Hello! And a belated happy new year to everyone, old and new.

Just read through the 24p of the thread that I missed, phew! But it does mean I've not properly remembered names, etc. so I'll talk about myself instead Grin

Got back from a lovely 10 day holiday last night and weighed in this morning. Up 3lbs compared to the 25th and 5 in total compared to before Christmas. I'm still within my normal bouncing range at just under 59k. But I'd like to get back down so as to be at the bottom end. I reckon a few weeks should do it so I jumped straight in with a 24h fast and 600cal tonight. But I'm still considering it to be a successful fast day. Most importantly I need to get back to the gym as I'm definitely noticing the effect of 2 weeks off. Hopefully I can make it on Wednesday combined with a FD.

I think today marks my one year 5:2aversary. As of today I am 10k (22lbs) lighter and at the lower end of normal BMI.
My objective for 2014 is to maintain and definitely focus on lowering fat % and toning. I also want to cut out the mindless nibbling of biscuits and chocolate in the evening that seems to have crept in as a bad habit over the last few months. Thankfully DH agrees so the sugar habit should be kicked

PoshPaula · 06/01/2014 13:26

Okay, am now starving hungry. Success stories please!!

Whoever mentioned brie parcels upthread is being very cruel.... (joking...I think..)

Chocupid · 06/01/2014 13:30

Hi all
florick and Tip same here with leaky roof, hugs to you both ( thank god we are selling).
I'm back to it after starting last jan and losing 3 stone...More or less got to goal then I stopped weighing around August and my weight has crept up. Put on 12lb since then!! [embarrased]

So first real FD for me again today, so far nothing but herbal tea!
Enjoying the Exercise thread too as I'm going to get back to that too Thanks BigChock

Good luck to all fasters today, and hello to newbies.

Peplum41 · 06/01/2014 13:55

Oh yes, Bigchoc your exercise thread rules! Plus thanks for sneaky previews of Krista V's book. I don't she will be retiring to a life of poverty while Dr M and Mimi roll around in all their money laughing, so I will ask my library if they could get a copy.

toffee Are you getting another pet? Or is the RSPCA lady coming to referee your cats?

Oh its stopped raining, the dogs rattling his collar in anticipation of walkies so Im going out with phone to see if I can listen to radio 5 on it.

Mehefin I fast most night shifts now, its weird to think how much I used to eat just to pass the time really, and to keep me going. I do eat at midnight-ish but that's it. Glad you're ok, at 2 stones lost point myself, just 2 more to go but not in a rush.

mehefin · 06/01/2014 14:25

We should start a plodders club ! I'm afraid Mr Bacon is getting on my nerves already!

devoncreamtea · 06/01/2014 14:28

Hi everyone! Hope you all have had a good Christmas etc. Lots of you seem to have managed to keep up the good work through the festivities - well done! Not so here...I didn't even try....definitely gained. But now determind to reach my goal of 8.5 st by my 35 th birthday in August. Unsure of weight as have no scales, so must purchase, but around 10 and a half now. Have just emerged from having babies and breastfeeding - have 4 children and stopped bfing youngest 6 months ago - very ready to get out of mum with a tum mode! Signed up for Pilates to try to get a bit of core strength going on - will start kettlebells after that (my hub is an instructor) and might try one of these shred type things - any recommendations? Ill people - rest up and get well soon, these bugs have been awful. FD ers - you are so very inspiring, I physically cannot ignore the left over cheese/christmas treats....good job I just ate the last of them (just tidying up..)!!

mscnile · 06/01/2014 14:34

commiserations to those with leaky roofs and/or sickness bugs, its a miserable enough time of year without adding anything else in to the mix!

staved off hunger pangs with hot drinks and some carrot and coriander soup so on a total of 200 cals so far...

Eatriskier · 06/01/2014 14:53

peplum knowing my luck I'd catch Dr M on a fast day Wink

Only ds here today but he has decided that he likes all the noisy toys. At once...

Dh is fasting and they've laid out a surprise lunch for his meeting. Last I spoke to him he was squirreling away cupcakes to have tomorrow!

DinoSnores · 06/01/2014 14:55

Goodness me, this thread moves fast! I am fasting today so trying to keep busy and not sit down for too long. I had a long walk with the DC this morning before the rain storms started again.

Since last week, I've lost another 0.6kg, so BMI is 23.6 so I am pleased with that. We are TTC as well, so that's good motivation to keep eating healthily. I'm finding it hard to eat up to my TDEE some days so I think my appetite has shifted with this.

devoncreamtea, I love Pilates. It has made a huge difference even if it doesn't look to others like you are doing anything much at the time!

mehefin, 2 stones kept off in a year is an amazing job at plodding! Well done!

The Brie recipes are making me feel rather hungry, so I thought I'd contribute one I'd like to try before too long!

www.simplebites.net/a-last-minute-appetizer-baked-brie-with-cranberry-sauce-and-walnuts/

devoncreamtea · 06/01/2014 15:08

Dino - did it help hold everything in a bit better?! I have the mandatory post baby pouch going on and am hoping it will tuck in a bit at some stage - and posture? Did it help sort of lengthen you a bit? I feel always a bit collapsed and like I could do with stretching out a bit, but lack the muscle tone to keep it that way...I am hopeful that Pilates will help address these niggles and 5:2 will get the extra poundage off...!

devoncreamtea · 06/01/2014 15:13

On that note...I have a friend in her 60's - v. beautiful woman - who was carrying bit more weight than she was happy with, started 5:2-ing - she didn't reveal but must have lost over a stone - saw her at xmas: she looked fabulous! We turned up in the same dress and although I am almost 30 yrs younger - she looked way better than me in it!! And she still ate some profiteroles...what's not love about that?!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 06/01/2014 15:14

Peplum41 - The RSPCA lady just left. She came to make sure the cats were happy with us and we are happy with them. She thinks the girl cat is jealous of boy cat and they are finding their paws and boundaries when they fight. We are allowed to keep them!

muffins · 06/01/2014 15:15

I need to sort out my tummy too, after 3 sections got a right belly apron going on....along with the stretch marks it's not such a good look!
Surviving my fast FD so far, just had a massive coffee, only 1 hr 15 mins til home time yay

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