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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 33 - Counting down to Christmas (and NOT thinking about the impending chocapocolaypse. Yet)

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BetsyJingleBells · 16/12/2013 08:21

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
BsshBossh · 18/12/2013 17:55

Southeastdweller we'll be having Gail's mince pies from this weekend and all through Christmas. I had a sneaky few one a few days ago and was in heaven.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 18/12/2013 17:59

I am sooooooooooooooo hungry.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 18/12/2013 18:04

So after my last post regarding DH I was thinking. AIBU to suggest I dont eat with the rest of the family on FDs and possibly some NFD? The thing is DH does the cooking and decides what we are having for tea. But these meals can be really calorific. I try to factor in these calories, but sometimes I have to really restrict myself during the day knowing what I am having for tea. DH is a grown adult who (quite rightly) has to make his own choices re losing weight or not. Whereas I too am a grown adult so surely its up to me what I eat (or not)

Its just that we always have a family meal together on an evening. I go to a course on a Monday night so I miss this time out. I just feel guilty if I were to not join the family as surely having a family meal is a good thing.

I need to sit him down and say right this is the plan from now on (though will wait till after the holidays and the new year) I also need to put my foot down when shopping too and buy the healthier options eg extra lean mince rather than the cheap fatty stuff or quorn mince. we always buy the cheaper versions. Of course he maintains the sense of I would be being daft by looking at healther options of certain foods.

EarSlaps · 18/12/2013 18:10

The miracle noodles are actually not too bad. Make sure you rinse them thoroughly and have them in something very tasty- I used them in a laksa. With Italian sauces you can make courgette noodles to serve with instead of spaghetti.

EatriskierDrinkAndBeMerry · 18/12/2013 18:12

biscuits when I grew up the only meal all 4 of us had was a roast dinner, and even then we all had slightly different components. There was always one person with a different meal (not the same person but always one who didn't like what the others were having). MIL says it was the same in DHs house too. And I can completely see the day coming where that happens in mine.

Although I'm the cook in this house and though the DC get what they're given, with DH I always consult with him whether he is happy to have a certain meal. Maybe you just need to tell your DH that whilst you appreciates all his efforts in cooking, you would appreciate it more if he could consult a bit more with you. Would that work?

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 18/12/2013 18:21

Surely f he is a decent person he will adapt for you? I have told DH I am having a potato for dinner, I have prepared his potatoes, he has put his sausages in the oven and done me some kale. No big deal having different stuff and even if DH was cooking he wouldn't dream of forcing food on me, just as I haven't forced him to have something he doesn't like tonight.

Emmabryant123 · 18/12/2013 18:53

Omg buffet at work-
Had a fairy cake, mince pie, mini scotch egg, pork pie, cocktail sausages , cheese and pineapple on sticks, Doritos, two quality street and a chicken and salad sandwich.
Also had a cereal bar and banana for breakfast.
Then had jacket potato, cheese, corned beef and tinned toms for dinner.
Pizza at work tomorrow lunch time for last day. :/

TheRaniOfYawn · 18/12/2013 18:58

PMS has hit big time and I have eaten ALL THE CHEESE. Fasting tomorrow though? so hopefully that will undo the damage.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 18/12/2013 19:05

He doesnt really force me to eat it, but he knows that my favourite meals are Spag Bol and Lasagne along with other unhealthy meals. If I was to say no I dont want that this week (we meal plan for a week while making a list for the weekly grocery shop) he would be a bit questioning and I would have to come up with an alternative. Id rather either have less or pick healthier alternative ingredients such as extra lean mince (or vegetarian). He is of the thought that I should eat these meals (and big portions too) as I enjoy them and who cares if I put on a bit of extra weight? Well I do, but he just doesnt get it. Of course though he is very nearly obese (I checked his BMI earlier thinking it to be a little bit overweight - boy was I wrong) and doesnt care. He just doesnt get why people aim to be thinner, healthier if it means that they are depriving themselves of something they enjoy. He is definately my biggest obstacle to shifting some pounds and I just dont know how to address it.

When Ive done other plans in the past he's been fine with me, but he's always had the air about him that there is no need to lose weight if it means I am depriving myself or doing things I dont want to do. He's very much of the thinking that you are what you are and you just get on with it.

He doesn't force feed me, but doesn't do anything to encourage me either. He might make a joke about it.

Ive put a couple of pictures on my profile that I took yesterday. Ive never done selfies before and need to do a dress one. The pictures probably dont show me in a great light, but it will be good to compare in future. I hope Ive managed to make it work on here.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 18/12/2013 19:06

He is bullying you Sad.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 18/12/2013 19:15

Do you think?

To be honest Ive not actually told him about this. Ive just skipped meals when I could (when I went straight from work to somewhere else ie my course or shopping) and hardly ate at work. Im just worried he will roll his eyes and diss any attempt at eating different to what he's seen me eat before. Im also worried about what he will say when I tell him for 2 days a week I will eat less than 500 cals. To him that's unhealthy.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 18/12/2013 19:22

"...he would be a bit questioning and I would have to come up with an alternative."

"He is of the thought that I should eat these meals (and big portions too)"

" he's been fine with me, but he's always had the air about him that there is no need to lose weight if it means I am depriving myself or doing things I don't want to do."

"He doesn't force feed me, but doesn't do anything to encourage me either."

Where is the encouragement from him? Where is the support?

He is obviously overweight and doesn't want you to lose all your weight and make him look worse.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 18/12/2013 19:24

He would say it was unhealthy?

He is overweight yet you trust him to have a genuine valid opinion on health?

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 18/12/2013 19:35

Exactly that's why Im a bit nervous of telling him. He would say that, but I know what I have read and found out when I have looked into it so Im not trusting his opinion on health. That's why Im determined to do this. Im sticking to 16:8 now and plan to go fully into 5:2 in the new year when I am working.

So how do I go about having healthier evening meals? Sometimes they are OK. Last night we had stir fry (Beef strips and vegetables), Sundays we have meat, lots of veg and a couple of roast potatoes. Then other nights we will have something really really unhealthy like tonight we had Spag Bol, but not a healthy one. Im happy for him to eat it if that's what he wants, but Id rather have something different or eat much less than what would look like a normal sized meal portion. Perhaps I just need to eat much much less than what I did before. Make 1000 calorie meal into a 500 calorie meal.

TalkinPeace · 18/12/2013 19:42

Biscuits
Buy yourself the 5:2 book for Christmas.
Pretend its an MN secret Santa.
Get him the Hairy Bikers diet book.

If he does not understand that having excess weight will increase MASSIVELY his risk of having an ill and Alzheimers addled old age
then he NEEDS to
and there is no way he has the right to force you to.

At the next meal time, hand him a side plate to put your portion onto.
If he grumbles, tough.

When DH and I are fasting all four of us cook our own suppers of choice - think of it as a restaurant around the dining table Xmas Wink

BsshBossh · 18/12/2013 19:43

Biscuits have you had a proper, sit-down, heart to heart with him. Yes, being even slightly overweight (in your case) puts you at risk of health problems in the future. Does he realise you may both be compromising a healthy, physically active future by remaining overweight (and it's worse if excess lbs are around the belly)? Even if he doesn't get it you need to make it clear to him that it's a real concern for you. Perhaps if he clearly understands how important this is to you he'll be more supportive? It does take much to swap fatty for lean meat etc.

BsshBossh · 18/12/2013 19:46

X-posted. I'd definitely start off by eating a much smaller portion of whatever you're both having. It's a start...

Men seem well-disposed towards fasting. If you tell him (and tell him loads of men do it) he might be interested?

BsshBossh · 18/12/2013 19:46

DH and I often do different meals too (even though he fasts one day a week)...

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 18/12/2013 19:50

You don't have to eat everything he puts on your plate.

Tell him to stop treating you like you can't make your own decisions.

If he won't listen then start doing your own meals.

Don't let him bully you.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 18/12/2013 19:51

At the next meal time, hand him a side plate to put your portion onto.
If he grumbles, tough.

Im liking that. In fact I might just do that

All my information is from the net and this thread, I could get the book though. In fact I will. I will buy it.

Bssh No, but Ive dropped heavy hints like bringing up the plan to him and how Im not snacking. Also said this morning (at 10AM) that it wasn't time to eat yet. I need to though.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 18/12/2013 19:57

Why does he think he gets to say how you eat?

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 18/12/2013 19:57

Crossed posts there a lot.

Right first I will buy the book. Then I will make it known this is my plan and I intend to stick to it whether or not he encourages me or not.

Thanks for letting me get it off my chest. I think I was feeling bad because tonight was a night of a bad meal. DH has also mentioned how there is plenty left for my lunch tomorrow (To be fair Spag Bol is my favourite meal and I have always liked it the day after) I was just feeling down about that side of things. It will be fine, it has been before when Ive tried certain things (Slimming world, Paul Mckenna, calorie counting)

BsshBossh · 18/12/2013 20:02

Good luck Biscuits. Best to be honest, open and clear with him so you can get on with losing weight and getting healthy the 5:2 way :)

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 18/12/2013 20:14

Right so do I get The Fast Diet by Dr Michael Mosley and Mimi Spencer
or do I get The 5:2 Diet Book by Kate Harrison or doesn't it matter?

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 18/12/2013 20:14

Thanks Bssh

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