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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 33 - Counting down to Christmas (and NOT thinking about the impending chocapocolaypse. Yet)

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BetsyJingleBells · 16/12/2013 08:21

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

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Papayasoup · 20/12/2013 23:32

Do love a good curry too!
I'm also going to try my hand at ear slaps this weekend for Christmas morning. I'm not much of a baker, my attempts at making bread have resulted in bricks - I blame it on the humidity not my lack of skill! So we shall see how I manage. mrsf I can't remember if you said if could replace fresh yeast for dried. Not sure I can get any fresh here

BsshBossh · 20/12/2013 23:34

MrsF make your usual lamb curry (I make mine with spinach, sometimes a few fresh tomatoes not tinned, onion, garlic, ginger, grd coriander/cumin/turmeric/red chilli/garam masala, whole garam masala eg cloves/cinnamon/cardamom) then add a big spoonful of green cardamom powder. Slow cooking (I do mine on hob) for several hours on low = divine!

MrsFlorrick · 20/12/2013 23:36

Papaya. GrinSmile My posts always seem me me meeeeeeee! Don't worry.

It will be cosy and calm with the 3 of you. No madness no family politics to navigate. Just you three. Aaaaaw. Sounds fab.

We've got Pils coming. That's fine. MIL is superb. FIL is fine in a cantankerous Scottish type way but he's stone deaf. Besides the DC loooooove PILs and can't wait for them to come. It does mean cooking in over drive as PIL are octogenarian and apparently that means looking for a meal every two hours. I don't mind as they gratefully eat everything I make and tell me its the best they have ever had. You can't say fairer than that.

I've had too much mulled stuff so am slightly pissed Blush sorry and too much cheese. GrinGrin

Bigchoc where are youuuuuuuuuu???

MrsFlorrick · 20/12/2013 23:41

Bssh. Thanks so much ThanksThanks

I will do that. MrF will be delighted. He loves curry as much as I. Sounds fab and easy.

Do you have any good fish or prawn recipes/secrets??

And veg as sides??

Sorry. It's rare to have access to an expert so am making the most of it. I love to cook (and eat) and I have mastered most of Europe and am venturing east. I can do basic curries and basic Thai and Japenese dishes. But I want to know more. Cook books just don't tell you enough!!

I can offer scandi cuisine in exchange however I suspect it doesn't hold the same attraction GrinGrinWink

BsshBossh · 20/12/2013 23:52

MrsF to be honest I've found any Indian cookbook by Madhur Jaffrey to be very easy and authentic. Even my Indian-born-and-bred Mum and her friends use her cookbooks to jog their memories. This one is so cheap and basic yet is the one I use all the time to remind me of some of the spice mixes. There are some terrific cooking segments of hers from the 70s and 80s on YouTube too.

MrsFlorrick · 20/12/2013 23:57

Bssh. Thanks Thanks. Brilliant. That's f
Great to know. Will buy this one.

Grin
annielewis · 21/12/2013 00:46

Running in to say hello, how are you all? Am not doing so well as too many events going on so am just trying to eat mindfully (ish) and have out away my scales until new year! Then will be back with a vengeance!!

Off to catch up on thread again!!

BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 21/12/2013 01:02

Betsy
I'm sure you'll enjoy your Taekwondo. Any martial art should be good interval training, so will increase fitness and burn calories.
If it's run by one of my clones she'll run you ragged the first few times, but you'll soon be destroying the hunks too !
Xmas Grin

Just finished a delicious NFD, which was a training rest day and had my final 2 (!) Xmas "parties". So, far too much sweet junk:

  • Steak fajitas, wedges and umpteen dips
  • A visit to Haagen Daz and 3 scoops of ice cream, sauce and nuts, choc pie. This was a deliberate Frenzy on sickly sweet ice cream, because I hope to have put myself off ice for months. But then fries to wash away the taste.
Hmm
  • 10 pm - midnight feast of 3 slices sprouted bread and caviar spread, lemon meringue pie, white choc cheesecake, rice pud, tangerine.

I prepared for these orgies with a 48 hr fast, 350 cals per day, so the 3 days together didn't exceed my 3x TDEE of 2400.
Hmm
Anyway, much healthier eating for the next 2 weeks, very little desire for junk.
Hmm
FD tomorrow.

BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 21/12/2013 01:21

Betsy Thanks for the link about measurements. It has very useful info about tracking visceral fat, the dangerous kind.

Papayasoup · 21/12/2013 01:42

I have that curry cookbook and do find it helpful and quick and easy. Definitely the one I use most often

MrsFlorrick · 21/12/2013 01:51

Bigchoc. Feastorama!!! Caviar yum yum. Not an ice cream person though So you can have that all to yourself Grin

Have you had caviar with eggs. Delish v

mummyof2girlsx · 21/12/2013 07:13

Planned to do 4:3 this week in preparation for the Christmas indulgence!

Fasted Monday and Wednesday and under TDEE on Tuesday and Thursday..................Friday started off well, LOF until 5.30pm then some soup in work, followed by an iced mince pie, followed by some quality street.......then came home from work and had a few vodka tonics and some haribo Blush I have worked it out and came in under 1500 cals so still within TDEE so could be worse!

Off to see Santa today with the DCs Smile

Enjoy your weekends Grin

BsshBossh · 21/12/2013 07:17

I already have a tummy ache from yesterday's biscuits and mince pies Sad. And I didn't even eat loads. I just can't eat in the same way these days. I will have to eat 100% mindfully this week otherwise I'm going to end up curled up in bed for Christmas.

EarSlaps · 21/12/2013 07:23

MrsF, I tended to find that (in Finland at least) Nordic/scandi cooking varies between divine heaven on a plate and bland indigestible stodge. I swear the Finnish Christmas dinner I had (ham, boiled potatoes and lots of various purees of something or other) was still digesting a few days later. Keeps you warm at least! But then the baking makes up for it Smile.

Had a takeaway curry last night but followed it up with a mince pie- my stomach felt pretty terrible after that. Plus mulled wine of course. And we started on the gingerbread house- so lots of icing and chocolate buttons etc.

Somewhere- I think I read somewhere that in almost all baking you can decrease the sugar in the recipe by at least 25% without affecting the outcome. I do tend to use less than the recipe most of the time when I bake.

Can I just have a little boast about my 4 yo DS? He's a late July, so I was really worried he wouldn't settle into school. However he has settled in beautifully, made loads of friends and was made 'star of the term' for his class (there are two from each class of 30) and got a certificate from the head teacher for his hard work and dedication. He is working so hard on his reading, he loves it, and has moved onto a new reading scheme well ahead of the rest of the class. His writing is still quite poor and school are going to work really hard on it next term with him. But tbh I think it's more that his writing level is so far behind his reading level rather than that it is bad compared to the other children. And I'm not overly concerned with writing- mine was never great and it has never held me back.

Thank you for that, never want to boast in real life Smile.

BetsyJingleBells · 21/12/2013 07:29

Yes it's a very good measurements link that one, I forgot to explain its usefulness as I was in a rush so thanks for doing that.

I am hoping to get run ragged by the Taekwondo! It should spur me on to get active over the holidays too - I don't want to be too embarrassingly unfit before I start Smile

Lunching out today so I probably won't eat any other meals today. I think that's how I'm going to maintain over the hols - fewer but larger meals and some exercise.

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BetsyJingleBells · 21/12/2013 07:41

That's lovely about your son earslaps - not boastful just proud and rightly so Smile Great that your school has praised his hard work.

I'm planning to make earslaps for Christmas Eve - we have a newly started tradition of huge exciting breakfast event for Xmas eve: American pancakes with maple syrup, bacon, butter or fresh fruit (many types) and cream. Now I'm going to add cinnamon snails to the list. Probably wont need to eat again after that!

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mummyof2girlsx · 21/12/2013 07:47

Earslaps you have every right to be proud! My youngest is July and when she started school I was so worried that she may struggle (eldest DD is September so didn't have any concerns when she started school) and now is in year 1 and is one of the top readers in her class! Wow, star of the term! I think that deserves a treat Grin

BsshBossh · 21/12/2013 07:49

EarSlaps awww that's lovely. Boast away, you're a proud mum :)

ELR · 21/12/2013 08:44

Ooh MRSF just seen you are in beckenham I'm not far from you I'm in west wickham.

EarSlaps · 21/12/2013 08:49

Thanks guys for allowing me a proud moment Flowers.

Betsy- the school are great. It's a new school (well an ex private school that has now become a primary academy), so they are really working hard to be a great school. They really seem to recognise hard work, trying your best and good manners. The children are lovely and always hold doors open etc (or the older ones remind the younger ones to if they forget Smile).

Mummy- I think we're always told to worry about the younger ones but lots of them cope just fine. I wasn't too worried about him academically (he really is bright as a button), but he struggles more physically with fine motor skills, dressing himself etc. Plus he's tiny for his age anyway so the big September borns tower over him. Well done to your daughter! We've just tried to sell reading to him as something fun, and we find books that will interest him. Anything to motivate him.

He's getting a £1 extra pocket money and he'll probably get to go for cake or something. Plus a lot of praise.

Chocrock · 21/12/2013 08:52

Just wanted to share......I weighed myself this morning after fasting yesterday and I have finally lost a stone! Yay!
Been hovering at 13lbs for 3 weeks so it feels great. I am a bit worried about the next 2 weeks as I can only fit in 1 fast day each week, but if I can manage to remain the same and not put any on I will be happy.
I haven't done the Xmas food shopping yet so must make sure I don't slip and throw too many chocs and mince pies into the trolley tomorrow Grin

BetsyJingleBells · 21/12/2013 08:58

earslaps mine are summer born too, and up there with the brightest in the class. Their fine motor skills took longer to come than their academic abilities (making writing harder) but they caught up in the end and now there's no stopping them. We're lucky to be in a wonderful school too Smile

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ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 21/12/2013 10:39

hopefulgum - Welcome! It will come. I used to have huuuuuuuuuuuge food issues and what works for me is I can have it tomorrow and usually tomorrow comes and I am not fussed. I have lost a stone on this WOL and fixed my food issues. Only negative thing - a throw back to pre 5:2 - is I can't do a stuff my face day that some people do but that is not a bad thing!

MrsF - make sure you have -hourly-- daily mulled wine Grin. I used to live in Beckenham!

Eatriskier - I hope your father has improved.

ThoseTalkingCurry - I have a curry recipe book from M&S. I once made Lamb pasander. I thought it was amazing. DH preferred the jar sauce. Haven't attempted curry since though I did used to make a cauli, courgette and something else curry when the kids were toddler.

DH is at the pictures with DS2 watching Moshi Monster Movie Grin.

I am about to bake chocolate bread and golden cheddar twists.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 21/12/2013 10:44

Well done SmallBoyEarSlaps!! Cake

My son is June born and just started a new school aged 8. He has found it hard but he has got all 2's on his report, has a spelling age of 11.2 Shock and got a hand writing certificate for effort and another for trying hard. Both my son's hand writing is not great as their first school had a ridiculous way of teaching them to write and would not listen to me about it. It will come, EarSlaps and if not, all good training to be a doctor!!

BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 21/12/2013 11:19

CurryTalkers Thanks, you've somehow reminded me of a curry I used to make at Uni (35 years ago !) and forgot about until now. I remember it was delic, but maybe it needed a youthful palate and midnight exam revisions to fully appreciate it.
Hmm
I think it was lamb with goats cheese and green peppers. I'll try as much as I remember of the recipe this hols and see what happens.

btw: I can remember many restaurant menus and dishes I've eaten since I was 2 (55 years). Is this normal or another sign of chronic gluttony ?
Hmm

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