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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 30 - Did half term bingeing make you feel dirty? Then hop on board thread number 30!

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BetsyBell · 07/11/2013 16:09

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
CuckooAtchooUhOh · 09/11/2013 23:56

Ceiling!! Not that drink!

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 09/11/2013 23:57

Drunk! Oh fuck!

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 09/11/2013 23:58

Off to sleep now. Damn predictive text! Takes a friggin age!

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 10/11/2013 00:05

Not off to bed really (sneaky face) watching illegal telly. Dd at sleepover. Soon to be ex dp gone to bed. Just me, dog , wine, choc and dodgy musical series finale to keep company! Might end up breaking out the singstar on own soon! Proper Bridget Jones moment!

BigChocFrenzy · 10/11/2013 00:08

Cuckoo Mutual admiration society. You are the skilled cook; I am the glutton gourmet with a handful of good recipes (the other kind explode onto my kitchen walls & ceiling).
Grin
Sounds like I ought to buy a slow cooker. Maybe sometime you can describe the advantages and how foolproof they are (really important point).
Currently, I am trying substitutes for rice pud on NNN, as Betsy seems of the opinion that it counts as sweet junk Hmm

Btw: when I scared my neighbour, my face mask was a green one, so I must have looked like Big Choc Mint !

Now, go to bed !

Junebugjr · 10/11/2013 08:01

Just to update, as I don't post much-

Started at 10.8st 4 weeks ago, am down to 9.11 this morn, so 11lb in 4 weeks. Am chuffed, I've had at least 2 days a week splurges too. I do tend to lose very quickly the first month or so, am planning to get to 8.7st, which was what I usually settled at before I busted my knee.
Good luck to all on FD's!!

Not2bObvious · 10/11/2013 08:07

Cuckoo hope the heads ok this morning, just reading through your last few posts and hats off, you're a very eloquent drinker Grin If I had attempted that on my own tiddly night (fell home in the early hours of Saturday and despite having to work yesterday morning from 8am decided 2am is JUST the ideal time to eat toast/watch Dexter) it wouldn't have been decipherable! Only joking I didn't feel drunk but the pain in my feet from my heels, whoever said pride feels no pain should add the line, until you take the shoes off!
Died a death yesterday, struggled though 5 hours of work, then mums taxi duty, in bed by 9.30. Thank The Lord I feel closer to human today. Honestly though I am really scared I am alcohol intolerant - and I'm more scared that I'm scared of it iykwimWink I love a glass of wine, but I can go from 2 glasses no problem (125ml ladies, not the novelty 750ml ones) to 3, so around half a bottle of wine and be dying. Ok truth be told that wasn't the case Friday, 3 decent glasses of wine plus 1 cocktail, 1.5 cocktails if I'm being honest, and by lunchtime yesterday I had a full blown migraine style headache. I alternated all drinks with a glass of water throughout the night, but nope still hanging yesterday.
What will I do without my wine hobby?!?!
Not sure how to approach today, we are planning a lunch out, ate lots of junk yesterday although kept to tdee. I think I need a day of eating delicious things. Really picking stuff I enjoy, good food. Hope you all have a lovely sunday

Not2bObvious · 10/11/2013 08:47

junebugjr that is really impressive, you are at my goal weight, although I have another 1.5 stone to get there. I can't wait to be 10 stone something - but as my losses seem to be about 2 pound a month it's likely to be 2014(currently 11.4) I honestly don't mind that though which is why I live this woe/WOL. If it takes 3 months to lose half a stone , so be it, the pace seems to be in line with my changes to behaviour, I'm years abusing food, only logical it'll take time to learn a better way.

Congrats again, keep up the good work

Not2bObvious · 10/11/2013 08:48

love this woe/WOL I meant! Although I do live it tooGrin

BigChocFrenzy · 10/11/2013 09:08

Quick Sunday wave to all.

Well done Junebug That's amazingly fast. Nearly 3 lb per week !
Flowers
Itsa Patience is key for us lesser mortals. It's a WOL not a race. We'll crawl along together to our target
Smile
I'm off to the gym now for fasted spin, heavy squats , chinups and lifting whatever / whoever I see.

Looking forward to gluttonous orgy disciplined enjoyment of the yum courses I prepared last night
Grin
cuckoo How's the head this morning ? You were an amazingly coherent drunk ! I'll burp my report on the feast to you afterwards.
Grin

thinkcan · 10/11/2013 09:18

Cuckoo not sure how old you are but I read that the pre-menopause and menopause years can bring about symptoms like itching and skin rashes. I remember going through an itchy scalp phase around menopausal time but at 57 that's so far behind me. Yay!! Age has it benefits!

My NSV this week - tried on 2 pairs of waist 28" pants at the shop and they were too loose. Despite the weight not dropping much from the 120 lb mark over the last few weeks, the inch losses continue. Must be the muscles I am building from all the hiking, biking and weight lifting.

campocaro · 10/11/2013 09:52

Hi everyone. I´ve been lurking for ever. Been on this WOE since late March and have lost 2 stones and am so happy!. I am now overweight not morbidly obese and have about 1.5 stone to lose but taking it gradually. I am enjoying the cook book as was getting a bit bored of soups on fast days.
Can someone tell me what NNN is?-I dont have time to look back though all the posts.
Good luck to newbies starting this WOE this week-it´s really the best thing that I have done-I am in mid fifties so it´s never too late!

Junebugjr · 10/11/2013 09:59

Not2bObvious - I'm only 5ft 2 though, so still overweight by BMI until 9.7st!
We've had problems with our heating, so its been freezing here, which I think has given me a boost. Plus DH has been in hospital with his tonsils, so I haven't stopped with added childcare/household/driving to and from hospital. I usually plateau at 9.4st, so am dreading that. Still I'm finding it easy, and will plod on until i hopefully get to 8.7, then review.
I'm going to have to start exercising unfortunately too

Not2bObvious · 10/11/2013 10:15

Junebug you lost 11lbs without exercising?? If you add in exercise you might not plateau quite as quickly as you thing. 4 pound off a normal bmi isn't to be sniffed at. You done good girl, enjoy it!
NNN is, if I remember it rightly, Not Naughty November? A challenge a few if the guys are doing Campo, congrats on your 2 stone, well over halfway to your goal! And delighted for you Thinkcan, fitting into clothes easily has to be the ultimate nsv. As I was saying Friday I had maintained this week not lost a sodding ounce but I was wearing lovely size 12 skinnies out. I got loads of compliments on Friday on my weight loss, I was a bit embarrassed to be honestBlush Does anyone else feel that? I have to keep fighting the urge to say "I'm not even halfway there, I've miles to go!" And the other part is cause it's taken nearly 6 months to lose 15-17 pound, I don't see it although I know it must be a decent change cause I'm down a dress size.
Talk about a nice problem, too many compliments. I think I could be a post on AibuGrin

NotAsTired · 10/11/2013 10:19

junebug. Super well done on your weight loss so far. Smile

campocaro, that's fabulous weight loss, especially coming down from morbidly obese, well done, you should be very proud of yourself. Flowers

thinkcan great nsv, yup, that'll be the exercise and the 5:2 doing that. You seem very motivated. Smile

cuckoo I think I have found a great rice pudding recipe for me recently. It's here although I use butter instead of marg and didn't add the cinnamon last time I made it, but it's all delicious. Actually, have some going now. I have really got into traditional puds at the moment and yesterday, I even made my own custard from scratch. BTW, I only have puddings at the weekend.

NotAsTired · 10/11/2013 10:23

It always makes me smile how much we talk (and eat) about delicious, calorie laden food when we are all losing weight. And without guilt too. Grin

campocaro · 10/11/2013 10:26

Thanks NotAsTired and Not2bObvious I´m pretty chuffed myself. Also I have about 4 friends who are now doing this WOE because they have seen my weight loss!

Emmabryant123 · 10/11/2013 12:02

Nfd here.

Have made mine and hubbies rolls for work tomorrow. Using cheese baps.
One ham and mayo each.
One mayo, turkey, lettuce and cucumber each.
Their massive though. Struggled to get them in my lunch box which has probably resulted in squashed bread rolls. Oh well lol.
So far have eaten one slice toast with Philly cheese and two bananas. And not hungry at all.
Have bought banana and custard muller light for after dinner tonight which I'm still not sure what it will be. Brr it's cold here. Been tescos this morning now back home in pjs. Can't even face a shower as dont want to get out of it after. So movie day with the kids.

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 10/11/2013 13:11

AM. HANGING. Confused

I feel disgusting! And disgusted! (with self)

A bottle and a half of red wine. Not the most absorbent of food consumed. And a very late night = suffering. Lots!

Not sure how I went from wondering if I was going to have a glass, to finishing what was available??...

Feel so sick now. Rough is understatement.

All I can remember about posting was that it took me ages to type each word because of number of mistakes I made. I am actually amazed myself reading them back that they make any sense.

Thank goodness dd out with friend today! Means I can wallow in my pit of pain and tell myself should know better, own fault, serves right etc.

Feel sick :( Need to sleep. (can feel BigChoc evil smile)

Menopause!!! Shock I am 35. Have been joking for yrs though that I must be going through it because of hot flushes etc. Bloody hell! Will have look into that! Don't know when my mother had hers, or any family history really, but seriously have been joking about it for ages!!!

Hello, btw everybody. Welcome de lurkers. Well done achievers! That is epic loss in 4 wks!! Envy

Need to sleep now (gag)

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 10/11/2013 13:14

Notas thanks - will take look when sure reading the ingredients won't set me off!! (gag)

Not2bObvious · 10/11/2013 15:04

Oh cuckoo I feel for you from a fellow sufferer, all I can offer is tomorrow you'll feel better. Time is the only cure. Food doesn't help so don't waste too many cals on it (sez she who ate rings around herself yesterday)
Just finished yummy roast dinner in local pub, might have cake for afters, tdee+ todayGrin

lucyintheskywithdinos · 10/11/2013 15:33

I'm reporting a huuuuge scale victory after two days of 16:8. There is a 10 on my scales! Clearly the changing things up method of getting off a plateau worked for me! Just 12lb left to lose now Grin

And a NSV too, went shopping with my sister yesterday and I am in size 12s! Sat here now wearing skinny chinos in olive and feeling tres stylish.

cuckoo darkened room and vitamin c.

not2b move on to whiskey? Tis what I do.

Emmabryant123 · 10/11/2013 16:22

Have eaten today

One slice Philly on toast.
Two banana
Handful grapes
One banana and custard muller light
Fish cakes, mushy peas, cauliflower, broccoli, asparagus, tender stem broccoli for late lunch/early dinner. As was hungry.
So bored so want to eat but not even hungry, what to do?
Tv boring, iPad boring, plain bored.

Not2bObvious · 10/11/2013 17:02

Ironing/dusting/cleaning - if you're that bored Emma shouldn't matter and you'll go into next week ahead of the game. Unless you one of them wot already has her house togetherBlush
Stuffed to the gills, belly aching, that's me done for the day I'd say, ok I am being a tad over optimistic as it's only 5 but that's how I feel now.
I wish I liked whiskey Lucy have bottles of it ( even if I did I wouldn't guzzle them u swear!) but I just don't.
Maybe I should persevere ...

MrsFlorrick · 10/11/2013 17:56

Evening all.

Mini fast here today. I have had tea coffee (soya latte nspresso so low cal) and roast chicken with a bit of colslaw and one bit of garlic bread. And half a glass of apple juice (DDs leftovers).

A total of about 800 cals. So an excellent mini fast really. Kitchen is closed btw. DC all fed and in the bath. DH will fend for himself later and nibble at bits of left overs.

Hi Cookoo. How's your hangover?? I'm in your boat....

I had it large with my cheese and wine last night. Didn't eat too much cheese but I drank mulled wine. Very bad. Oh yes. Not only is it cheap red wine (hangover inducing) its also full of sugar and compared to my normal tipple has more than twice yes twice the calories!!!!ShockShockShock And as mulled wine is nice and hot is shot into your blood stream in an instant.
So I lost control and ate some chocolate too. Blush

Oh dear. No damage on scales this morning which was good.

Did my Jillian Ripped in 30 workout and took DC on a 2 hour walk in the park.

So today has been fairly virtuous really

Roll on tomorrow for more of the same! I want to pull off a proper FD tomorrow. Set myself up for a good week. And work out harder too.

At least there is now no longer any mulled wine, posh cheese or to toblerone in the house Grin

We have cheddar and DCs choc and biscuits but I can easily keep away from them (unless I drink mulled wine again).

Hangover did disappear once I had done my workout and had a shower (and gallon of water and coffee).

Anyone else fasted or mini fasted today?