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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 30 - Did half term bingeing make you feel dirty? Then hop on board thread number 30!

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BetsyBell · 07/11/2013 16:09

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
MrsFlorrick · 09/11/2013 13:20

Cookoo. Re allergy or whatever is going on with you.

You say a rash on your body. Could it be biological laundry detergent? I became allergic overnight about 11 years ago. Made me feel very ill with rashes etc until it was diagnosed. It's solved by washing everything in Fairy non bio.

You said something about pain when you're eating. Could it be a stomach bug ie the bacterial sort which needs antibiotics?
Or Are you taking multi vits and do they contain nickel? I'm allergic to nickel and had 8 months of stomach pain wind cramps etc until it was diagnosed. I didn't even know I was allergic to nickel before hand.

Just a thought

rubbishfamily333 · 09/11/2013 13:46

Bssh - the food your making today is all my favourites! Can I come? Grin

Well my dd is staying at her dads today so I'm all alone! I have asked friends to go out but no one is free! I have loads to do at home including painting/cleaning and organising! But I want to do something fun with my weekend!

I've been to a high intensity class this Morning and got tricked Into staying in for the abs class by the instructor so I'm being productive and not ruining all my hard work Grin

I will try to get some stuff done at home then maybe read my book! I feel like an old women and I'm only 28 Confused

Talkinpeace · 09/11/2013 13:47

for another thread I just re-found one of my favourite links
www.wisegeek.com/what-does-200-calories-look-like.htm

rubbishfamily333 · 09/11/2013 13:50

Nitrox - welcome Grin I am new to 5.2, I only did one fast day last week and two this week and I have already lost weight! More importantly I am feeling like its very achievable (Normally I dread weightloss). Everyone is very friendly on here and so supportive! Good luck Grin

Talkinpeace · 09/11/2013 13:59

Not fasting as
a) its the weekend
b) its raining
so breakfast was croissants, lunch was baguette with ham, stilton and branston, supper will be chicken fajitas (and beer)

THAT is why 5:2 works. Because you get to enjoy meals and good times
but remember
NO SNACKING
EVER
save the calories for meal times.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/11/2013 14:15

rubbish Sounds like you had a really productive day at the gym , so well done.

You deserve a treat. Why not go out on your own and look at some pretty clothes you might want to buy later, motivation for achieving the new slimmer you ?

If budget allows, Have a meal / latte /toasted sandwich somewhere bright and cheerful. If you choose a 'posh' place where you wait for the food to be brought to you, take your book to read in the breaks. I enjoy an evening out with my Kindle (but I am an unsociable bookworm sometimes and I like to combine this with gluttony)

rubbishfamily333 · 09/11/2013 15:56

Bigchoc - I never really go to places alone, I would eat in a cafe alone but not a restaurant! maybe I should. As I'm single and would like to meet someone that's probably a good idea Grin

xCupidStuntx · 09/11/2013 15:57

Hi everyone and thanks for having me, I haven't read the entire thread yet but I intend to!
This really does sound very doable and I'm feeling a little bit positive! Aside from the information in this thread, links etc, is there anywhere else I should be reading up to get myself clued in?

Thanks for the link talkingpeace, my laziness extends to the internet now too (I really do get lost I'm new to mumsnnt Smile)

Talkinpeace · 09/11/2013 15:59

rubbish
when DH is travelling alone with work he eats out a lot.
He always has a notebook and pencil next to him (because he's always planning) and they always assume he's some sort of reviewer so gets excellent service.

when I used to travel alone for work I always found restaurant staff really good about making sure lone female diners feel comfortable
and you can order EXACTLY what you like with nobody else to comment

Talkinpeace · 09/11/2013 16:01

Cupid this thread is all in the best possible taste.
Click onto the Fasting / 5:2 diet board and you'll see several really good threads of hints, tips, links, recipes and stuff
(ps there is no "g" in my name Grin )

Emmabryant123 · 09/11/2013 16:25

Thanks ladies, today I have eaten:
Breakfast 10am: one slice peanut butter on toast to use the last of the peanut butter with half a sliced banana. Ate the other half Of banana and had another whole banana.
Dinner: 4pm: steak pie, mash, broccoli and cauliflower , mushy peas and gravy.
Going to enjoy rice pudding and jam in a little bit.
Have had two cups tea, one milky coffee and sugar free squash ti

Twinmama32 · 09/11/2013 16:36

Thanks everyone! It's a great feeling, I remember reading similar posts back in feb when I started this at 14stone 7Ibs and thinking "that'll never be me" but I was sooooooo wrong. Will relative little effort but a whole lifestyle change I feel and look 1000% better than before. Largely thanks to this thread for all the motivation and support.
Thanks

BsshBossh · 09/11/2013 16:36

rubbish I've had very long periods of time being single and am completely accustomed to eating out, browsing galleries/museums, going on long walks and going to the cinema/theatre alone (still do all these things when I can even though I'm now married). I love it. Eating dinner out: I find the first sitting at restaurants the easiest eg 6pm, by the window, people watching or with a Kindle. Cinema and theatre not such a big deal being solo at an evening performance but if you are then a matinee is fabulous. Incidentally, I met my DH at an obscure arty movie at the BFI in London - an early evening show (very long story that might out me to anyone who might know me on MN). I'm all for going out alone :)

toffeesponge · 09/11/2013 16:40

For three days I have fancied choc chip cookie. DH went out and bought two packs (I had wanted a fresh baked one) but I had 2 and even before I was half way through the second I was thinking I had had enough, was no longer enjoying it and was happy to stop eating it. Couldn't work out what to do with it Hmm so ate it but next time I will put it in a box for next time. NSV, yes?

BsshBossh · 09/11/2013 16:47

toffee most definitely a NSV. In the past you would have scoffed most (all?) of the pack wouldn't have you? Well done lady.

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 09/11/2013 17:36

Toffee I had a very similar moment the other week. Surprising isn't it! It's a bit like 'Oh hello feeling in stomach! Not used to you popping up!' Def a NSV. Easily lost again though as I have found. Tends to come and go but on whole, getting better all time. Love the getting retuned to body signals of this woe!

MrsF Thanks for thinking of me Flowers .... Deep breath..

  • No rash on body. Raised bumpy patches on face. And occasional spot (though spots could just be hormones) I have always been blessed with good skin on face, so this is def new.

Other symptoms - really itchy scalp. Is mostly at back. Gets worse at night or when warm. Getting occasional spot but could be from scratching. Dp checked and no colour to it. Just feckin itchy as feck!

Already using fairy non bio! Grin Though started box (it's cash and carry mammoth size) around same sort of time, so wouldn't I just be the one to react! No issues on body though, so doubtful!

Stomach thing may or may not be related. To confuse matters I have been taking treatment for stomach ulcer, which happen to share a lot of symptoms (I'm starting to realise) with intolerance issues. So maybe wasn't an ulcer?? I had blood tests for all sorts couple of weeks back including H.Pylori, which needs the anti biotic treatment. All clear apparently!

This is why I am so frustrated! Was (fortunately) healthy whole life until after dd. Went through major crap for few years, then previous life long crap decided to catch up and I got full blown depression. Have taken stuff for in past - but have been trying to treat med free for few years. Incidentally, I seem to be doing ok now, have turned a corner. Long may it last! Know my own mind inside/out and analyse the crap out of everything, so confident it isn't depression related.

I also started having back problems - the treatment of which started stomach ulcers. Now they flare up when something sets them off. Funny you should say about vitamins, because this lot of pain, I am certain was caused by the WellWoman multi vit I was taking to combat tiredness, dark circles, lethargy and other bits - a lot of which are symptoms of depression too!! I took one and was on bed with MAJOR stomach cramps and sweats for about 4 hrs! Thought was dying! Googled and apparently happens to some people with certain vits. No proof whether started it or just aggravated what was already there (ulcer).

So... back to docs. Explained everything. Got blood tests for everything. Thyroid ok, Not H.pylori, not anaemic etcetera

On top, around about 2 mths ago started itching like mad as mentioned above. Driving me crazing trying to work it out. Hadn't thought about food intolerances, as have never had previously!

However, thanks to Postman - I am now looking at intolerances. Thanks to article I found am now wondering if a Histamine intolerance. Shares same symptoms I keep getting, all mentioned above AND the med I take for 'ulcer' also alleviates same symptoms as Histamine intolerance. Ergo - I would have been getting relief from 'ulcer' med, but maybe wasn't actually ulcers every time!

Itching and facial skin thing new though!

Am fine (sigh) just frustrated and want to get it sorted. Am not the most patient of patients. And while I have great caring, compassion, nursing skills when comes to others. I am rubbish with self and just get pissed off with always 'whining' about something!

POST EPIC POST ALERT again! Am in bath so idle fingers! Hope I haven't sent you to sleep! Grin

BsshBossh · 09/11/2013 17:48

Oh cuckoo no wonder you're so frustrated. It's so annoying not knowing, isn't it?

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 09/11/2013 18:22

Yes Bsshh. I know its nothing compared to what a lot of people have to deal with in life. But would be nice to get it sorted!

Hi Cupid Welcome!

I thing Talking Piece has a ring to it Grin talking piece of what though??...

Talking Piece of Cheese??

Talking Piece of Snack??

Talking Piece of Lurve??

....... Hmm answers on postcard!

Think cheese should win, given your Cheshire confessions on the matter!

Talkinpeace · 09/11/2013 18:24

Talk in Peace : it goes back to my ebay days where one never used your main trading account when posting on the boards of Q&A on a Friday night. Swearing was banned but by golly we had fun.

toffeesponge · 09/11/2013 18:46

Definitely would have Bssh. Have to confess to having had another since but enjoyed it very much.

Heart going crazy as the cat just brought a mouse in!

DD has eaten a spoonful of shepherd's pie, an opal fruit and a meringue with raspberries. Not usual to eat a sweet mid dinner but tbh we want her well and she doesn't take advantage. Temp up but has had ibruprofen already so hopefully that will come down very soon.

MrsFlorrick · 09/11/2013 20:05

Toffee. Glad your DD has eaten a little. Hoping for a swift recovery.

Cookoo.

Puzzling.
Have you been tested for lupus? Just a thought as it has tiredness pain and facial bumps/rash as symptoms for some.

I have rosacea my face and scalp and initially my gP thought it was lupus. I actually saw three dermatologist before I was diagnosed. Because I have the bumps on my scalp sometimes and redness on my face but the initial redness was shaped like a butterfly hence the lupus assumptions.

Btw my scalp isn't red from rosacea just my face (grrr). And it's sometimes itchy although not to the extremes you describe.

Allergy/intolerance possible.

You don't have a Tempur matress or pillow? I used to but became allergic to mine. Spots and itching. Extreme itching in fact.

Worth to either get allergy testing done or try an elimination diet?

BigChocFrenzy · 09/11/2013 21:58

Oh, cuckoo How rotten for you to have all these problems - rashes, itches, tum, back - Phew, I'd dive into a chocolate B&J and stay there until the nasties cleared up ! So, you are really a tough lady to cope with it all, as well as sticking to 5:2.
Flowers Flowers
You know the whole thread is rooting for you to be 100% again (and a smaller cuckoo !!)

BigChocFrenzy · 09/11/2013 22:27

Toffee Good to hear your dd managed a small meal, always a good sign.

Well done on not mainlining that pack of choc cookies
But you offended that poor moggie, not eating the delicious mouse she brought you ! Are you vegan ?

BigChocFrenzy · 09/11/2013 22:29

My FD finished at 410 cals, with 100 mins @ gym, spin and heavy weights.

In prep for Sunday NFD, I've just cooked lamb, chickpea, apricot and almond tagine, which is one of the few really good dishes I do. I'll serve it with mushroom quinoa.
My pud will be NNN-compliant, but I must avoid my falling into another nut butter jar: buckwheat groats, almond milk, cinammon, pnut butter, banana.
Grin
I must remember not to be greedy pig to have moderate portions Hmm

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 09/11/2013 23:51

Drunken Post Alert

BigChoc I love you! And I want to come round for dinner. Your tagine sounds fab and I bet you ARE a great cook! You have amazing knowledge of food. Maybe your issues are with temp control and movement of wooden spoons??...

It is my current mission in life to find you the perfect rice pud recipe. Have you got a slow cooker?! I know nothing about you is slow, but! Maybe on weekends if nothing else, you could treat yourself to the results of patiently waiting for the slow cooker to deliver?! I will keep investigating.

Cue the je t'aime music ... BigChoc ... I love you. You may be a gym bunny freak of nature, you may have amazing knowledge of delicious wholesome foods, you may know how to scare a gym full of peeps into doing what you want of an evening - with NO puking allowed!

But! You're also the lady who opens her door naked in a face pack, head lodged in a jar of 4 nut butter whatevs that is! with lumps of milky oats stuck to sealing.

Despite this, you are cheery, happy, supportive, motivational being, who strikes me as always finding the good in peeps.

And for that... I thank you! Cue end of music, start of law suit ! Hmm

Took ages to type! Should've seen spelling mistakes! I is defo sozzled avian tonight! But something's just need saying!