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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 30 - Did half term bingeing make you feel dirty? Then hop on board thread number 30!

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BetsyBell · 07/11/2013 16:09

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

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BetsyBell · 10/11/2013 18:00

NNN update: weekend has been fairly sugar and booze filled. I think this is ok Grin. Weekdays will be abstemious.

Also, just made this. So good.

Kitchen is now closed or I might explode.

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BetsyBell · 10/11/2013 18:02

Hope you hungovered lot have nearly recovered!

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postmanpatscat · 10/11/2013 18:02

Well done Lucy emma june and campo on assorted scale/non-scale victories!

June you might be surprised what you can achieve on 5:2. My initial target was 8st 10 as I wanted to be comfortably under 9...I've now hovered around 8st 3 for the past four months without much effort!

Another 9.5km on the treadmill this morning, I should have my new trainers by next weekend and have set myself a sub-60 mins 10k target. I haven't run that fast since about 2008!!

Emmabryant123 · 10/11/2013 18:24

Hmm gave in and had a magnum.
Still only 1700 calories -&+ a few either way though so not to bad.

Made two baps for work tomorrow.
Cheese baps, ham and mayo in one, lettuce, turkey and cucumber n mayo in the other.
Not sure on calories. May take a banana as well.
Then Tuesday is a 500 cal fast day.
Well done to everyone on this thread on scale and NSv victories. !

toffeesponge · 10/11/2013 18:27

Just spent the day in hospital with DD after I called for advice and an ambulance was sent and she was taken in. I am worried that yet again her heart rate was much to fast. Must have been viral tonsillitis as the ABs have not helped so she now has a spray to use and has had blood taken for testing. She is being tested for glandular fever now. She is very pale but we are finally home.

BigChoc - the cat scared me when he brought the mouse in. DH and DS2 chased him out and both cats were shut in the utility room for the night.

Emmabryant123 · 10/11/2013 18:29

Btw does anyone want to add me on mfp for support,
I'm emma1993b.
Ha born in 1993 I wish. Only username I could get.

toffeesponge · 10/11/2013 18:29

I have just had 2 squares of chocolate.

Emmabryant123 · 10/11/2013 18:30

Just calculated roll calories
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eatriskier · 10/11/2013 18:31

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BetsyBell · 10/11/2013 18:33

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BetsyBell · 10/11/2013 18:34

oh that's not meant to be a link Blush

I'm glad you've had chocolate toffee xxx

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MrsFlorrick · 10/11/2013 18:45

Toffee. Yikes. How scary for you. Hope things improve over night for you DD.

In eyeing up some wine so I should probably go to bed!

BigChocFrenzy · 10/11/2013 20:50

toffee Big hugs to you and DD. How scary for you both. Fingers crossed she is back to full health very soon.

For this one weekend, I continued NNN, so after my tagine and my banana buckwheat, I sublimated my junk urges by scoffing an enormous bag of salty popcorn and a bag of cashews. Equivalent in cals to several B&J tubs ! Anyway, I proved I can live junk-free, but is it living ?
My ice cream spoons have been sharpened for next weekend.

To newbies: NNN=No Naughties November = on weekdays, no alcohol or sugary junk (ice, chox, bix, muffins, i.e. most things 12-yr-olds this thread enjoys)
Betsy, cuckoo and I took the pledge, feel free to join.

To sozzled avian:

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 10/11/2013 20:56

awww Toffee, hope your DD will be well soon.

Today I ran an impromptu 10K. I went out with the plan to run a 4 mile circular route. I got back and was having such a good run I carried on for a further 2.25 miles making it just over 10K.

Last night I made a drunken decision to run a half marathon in May. This morning I woke up still wanting to do the half in May and after my run today I am even more determined. I have 5 and a half months to get to the distance.

Anyway FD tomorrow, looking forward to it.

rubbishfamily333 · 10/11/2013 20:58

Hi everyone,

Well I have something to report, I managed to stick within my tdee all weekend without any problems! I find it unbelievable ShockShockShock
Normally I am such a piggy! I even went to cafe Nero today and had a skinny hot chocolate and double chocolate fudge cake (which wasn't as nice as I thought it would be).

I havnt had a bar of chocolate all week and I don't even miss it. I did nick a few of dds buttons which I decided wasn't worth the calories!

BigChocFrenzy · 10/11/2013 20:59

Well done campo, that is significant weight loss; coming down from morbidly obese is a massive boost to your health
Flowers

Congrats also to thinkcan and Lucy* for achieving NSVs, always a morale-booster.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/11/2013 21:10

Wow rubbish Achieving TDEE over an entire weekend is serious discipline. Sounds like most of us had a greedy less disciplined time. Well done.

Biscuit Great idea, go for the half-marathon. You can do this ! If possible, join a running group who train for such events, to make sure you have structured training. Or try to find a running buddy.

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 10/11/2013 21:19

(((((((Toffee&Dd)))))))

Am sending you lots of love and support through cyberspace. You poor thing, you must feel wrung out. Really hope poor little Dd gets whatever it is diagnosed and treated properly asap so she can make full recovery. X

Hangover Update: After few hrs kip am feeling more human. Headache and nausea gone, just tired and looking like bag of shite! Definitely can't pull it off like used to!

Anyway, looking forward to fd tmw. To feel cleansed of all the crap consumed this weekend! Had chinese tonight, pleased to report I was able to stop when full, instead of ploughing on regardless. Bit of choccy and ice-cream beckons before NNN kicks in again tmw!

Doing 4:3 this week. Mon and prob Wed and Thurs.
Am looking a lot slimmer in face again this weekend, despite booze, so think I might be on move again. Hopefully.

ThinkCan that recipe looks delicious. Agree on butter. (I once read that some marg is basically 2 ingredients away from being plastic!) Have found some great recipes on Allrecipes over the years. Love reading the reviews too. Get some great tips/ideas from them.
My only problem with recipe is that I can't make it now!Grin

Stocking up on pudding rice tmw though, and making it tues (nfd) can't wait Grin
It's not on my NNN list! (evil revenge grin to BigChoc)
Is a pudding, not a sugary snack so is allowed (scoffing face smilie)

Really love this thread for all the advice and support. Do agree with all comments that it's funny yet fantastic that we spend a lot of time talking about what we can/are eating and swapping recipes! Love it!

I've been reading up about the menopause. Found a long list of signs. I could tick pretty much all of them. BUT, they also happen to be symptoms of low estrogen levels. I briefly wondered about hormone imbalance a while back. Didn't go to docs at time was going through very flat avoid everyone depressed episode but there is a test. Going to print off list, (I always get brain fog and forget when I'm in there) and go to Docs this week. Thanks for all comments. You lot are lovely Thanks

postmanpatscat · 10/11/2013 21:19

well done on your run biscuit Sure you can do 13 miles, it just gets easier the more you do!

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 10/11/2013 22:33

Was NotAsTired I meant to reference not ThinkCan in last msg about rice pudding!

Sorry NotAs - still over limit obvs! :)

CoffeeOne · 10/11/2013 22:36

Hello all, mind if I join?

I have roughly 4 stone to lose. Sigh. I've been up and down, WW and calorie counting. I want a lifestyle not a diet.

I have a question for those in the know, why can't the fast days be together? I'm asking because I don't work on Monday's and Tuesday's (I'm at home with DS) and would find those days the easiest to stick to fasting as I have little external influences (my office is always full of cake!) And of course weekends I'm out and about with DH and DS and it usually involves food. A I failing at the first hurdle of picking the days?!

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 10/11/2013 22:42

Biscuit - next time you should do drunken actual sign up! No backing out then. Good luck with it!

Rubbish Very impressive weekend performance! You must be feeling kick ass smugness at self control. And rightly so! :)

Night all. Bring on another week of fasting, failing and fun!

This week I tackle exercise avoidance!! Grin

BigChocFrenzy · 10/11/2013 22:42

cuckoo The "no rice pud" was just a trial (and boy, it was a trial) My healthy buckwheat substitute was boring, even with plenty of pnut butter. So, on NFDs I will return to canteen rice pud.
^^

Note to self: healthy substitutes taste like scrapings from cuckoo's cage.
Either eat real junk or abstain completely.

Btw: butter, margerine and all similar spreads nauseate me, even in cooking. I substitute olive oil, Philly or nut butter, depending on dish.
Also, I try to avoid non-fermented soya products and I use almond or chickpea flour rather than wheat.
Do threadmates have substitutes for hated / dodgy ingredients ?

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 10/11/2013 22:51

Hi Coffee

I had 4 stone to lose too. In less than 2 mths have lost 11lbs.

I don't think there are any scientific reasons why you can't do two days together. Think it's more about whether you would find it harder to stick to. Maybe could start with 6:1 and a mini fast. Either that or just go for it. Only one way to really find out, and everyone has different experiences.

I did 3 in row last week and was fine. But was unusual week for me. Doing 4:3 this week and will prob do two of those days together. I find sometimes that when I'm in the fasting zone, it is actually easier to keep going. All depends on outside influences of course, life stress, cycle etc. But if you're feeling up for it. Go for it!!

CoffeeOne · 10/11/2013 22:56

Thanks for that cuckoo congrats on losing 11lbs! I'd like to have lost half a stone by Christmas.

I'm going to give it a try together and if it doesn't work then I can always change it!

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