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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 30 - Did half term bingeing make you feel dirty? Then hop on board thread number 30!

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BetsyBell · 07/11/2013 16:09

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
Talkinpeace · 08/11/2013 22:04

cuckoo
I am a deeply psychotic auditor accountant
BUT
I have great clarity of mind
AND
I'm tiger- wolf - loyal
And
I know that 19/ 20 people who are overweight must deal with their demons before they can start dealing with food
(the other 1/20 are the genetically fat btw)

trust me : I get called a rottweiler to my face.
I can be bloody hard work
BUT heaven help those who piss me off without good reason.

On the other hand I am the most solid ally when needed : hence nailing the prison case I did this year.

somewherebecomingrain · 08/11/2013 22:43

Hey all

toffee hope daughter is better soon.

((())) to you and notastired

donkey my mil was nearly in a wheelchair -5:2 has literally given her her body back.

Yy to getting to grips with mental issues,

bigchoc what bssh said - love hearing about your epic meals! Love hearing about bssh s epicurean reveries. mrsflorrick you too - loved hearing about your cheese feast.

AFM it's been a day of frenzy. Big lunch out with dp then aunt and uncle round for dinner. I expect its pushing 4k. But this morning I saw the 10s by a tiny sliver. After my plateau not expecting to lose iykwim but I am.

MrsFlorrick · 09/11/2013 00:43

Somewhere Grin. It was a feast indeed. Ate too much total for today is about 2200cals so clearly not a FD!!

Tomorrow won't be either but Sunday is usually a FD or mini fast.

Talkin. You sound cool and amazing. I'm a bit in awe....

It's such a dilemma. I'm so close to my goal and I really want race there but I also want wine and cheese feasts. In fairness I am still losing slowly and given the half term excesses and cheese feasts ( two this week Blush) I cannot complain.

Despite half term PILs visit and cheese feasts I did lose 1/2lbs and an inch on waist and hips over the last few weeks. Obviously had put on a few lbs from PILs visit but shed those plus a little extra.

Must finish Wine and go to sleep Grin

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 09/11/2013 00:51

Tip Wine and Cake and Flowers

...... word on street is it's actually Doberman these days! On account of you looking so hot an' all Wink Can't say I haven't paid attention!

Speaking from my own point of view, I can definitely vouch for the happy head/ happy body theory.

Not that I am either yet. But I'm on my way now. And that is the difference between being in the right frame of mind to tackle these issues, or not! Made a lot of progress this year, most enjoyable of which, has been finding 5:2 and you lot! It suits me on so many levels. But was I ready for this 12 mths ago? Prob not.

Fortunately, I have started winning the battle with my demons. Things have been moving in the right direction for a while, and now 5:2 is playing a huge part in that.

When the student is ready, the Master will come!

somewherebecomingrain · 09/11/2013 05:39

tip I thought you were a life/health coach! Our very own. A very fortunate free resource for the thread. You should think about if if you ever want a new career.

annielewis · 09/11/2013 08:24

Welcome donkey I lurked for ages before being brave enough to dive in and do my first FD, the great thing about this thread is that if you fail spectacularly on your first one no one will judge, someone else will probably be in the same boat and we will all be here for your next attempt!!

For me personally it is honestly the best thing I have done ever - and in terms of weight management!

Good luck if you do decide to do Monday.

MrsF I am thinking of maybe doing a mini fast tomorrow too as will be on my own for most of day - but then want to eat what I want for dinner. Mini fast or 18:6 I reckon.

Good luck all you saturday FDers - not joining you today as done two back to back now and don't feel like doing today. Scales say another pound down today so feeling good! Love love love this WOE!

Twinmama32 · 09/11/2013 08:45

Today is a good day!
I woke up this morning a I am in the 10s!!! 10.13 to be exact. I am just so thrilled, 10.7 is my goal so I'm so close now. I can't actually believe it, I feel a bit giddy!!

I've been in the 11s for the past 2mnths which I thought was ages but actually writing it down is realise that was still quite steady.
Hurrah for 5:2, hip hip etc etc Grin

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 09/11/2013 09:19

Yay!! TwinM Congratulations! I long for the 10s. 9lb off that yet, and then unfortunately need to lose poss another 1.5 st because I am short arse! But hearing these results, always renews hope and determination!

P.s. HAPPY SATURDAY EVERYBODY!!

Thinking of getting in on this 16:8 / 18:6 malarkey. Everyday, except maybe weekends. Like what I've heard esp from you MrsF

Will give it a try today, with you AnnieM & Mrs F ! Good luck All!

Emmabryant123 · 09/11/2013 10:08

So happy.
I see 7.13 on scales this morning.
I'm only five foot though .
Hmm I'm thinking I need to start thinking about maintaining now.
Have a good Saturday ladies and well done everyone

rubbishfamily333 · 09/11/2013 10:11

Emma - wow that's tiny, what was your starting weight? And when did you start?

Emmabryant123 · 09/11/2013 10:24

Starting weight, nearly 9 stone but looked and felt uncomfy at that weight,I still have fat on tummy now as I'm short and I store it around my tummy and thighs.
I also started this woe for the health benefits as well.
I've tried various woes of eating before this, been at this on/off four months.

rubbishfamily333 · 09/11/2013 10:35

Well if you still have fat on the belly it might be time to stop loosing weight and start exercising Grin

I am only 5 foot 2 but if I was under 8 stone I would feel tiny. But we all have different frames etc and know how we feel comfortable.

toffeesponge · 09/11/2013 10:38

DD in bed Sad though good as resting. Just given her a lolly to ease her throat and meds for her throat and rising temp.

I'm preparing shepherd's pie for dinner and doing fruit and meringues for dessert - D's choice. Hoping she can manage it.

MrsF - I Love cheese too. Just bought some smoked wensleydale to try.

Twinmama32 - Well done! I am starting to believe I might make 10 something one day for the first time since I had my 8 year old! Currently 11 stone 4.4. I was 13 stone 2 lbs July 2012 when I started on Diet Chef. Was good to get a few pounds off but didn't fix my head and even if I never loose another pound I would always say the 5:2 is the best thought I couldn't have done it without everyone being so helpful, supportive and patient with me. FlowersFlowers.

rubbishfamily333 · 09/11/2013 10:40

Toffee - I hope dd is feeling better soon ThanksThanks

And your right the support on here is the most motivating!

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 09/11/2013 11:03

Just noticed in my last post I said 9lb to go until 10's, and then another 1.5 st more til target. Thought it sounded too good! Is actually another 2.5 st until target. After the next 9lbs!!

Although, I will probably stop at 9st ish, as although I am 5'2", I think I start to look out of proportion when too skinny. Depends on what that weight is made of though I suppose (glances sideways to box with exercise dvds).

So all things considered... I am minimum of 2st 9lbs to go! Or 37lbs!

Toffee My dd is 8, and we have similar start weight/current weight (I'm actually few lbs more) You can be triplets with me and AnnieL Grin

toffeesponge · 09/11/2013 11:13

Yay! Always wanted siblings Brew.

BsshBossh · 09/11/2013 11:23

Well done Twin and emma.

Homemade quesadillas and guacamole for NFD lunch today, followed by the chocolate, hazelnut & Nutella muffins I baked yesterday. Gotta love rainy-stay-at-home weekends.

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 09/11/2013 11:32

(((( welcome to the family sis )))) Wink Brew x

nitrox · 09/11/2013 11:38

Hello everyone, I'm a newbie to the 5:2.

Started healthy eating yesterday, and looking to start 5:2 on Monday and Thursdays with a healthier attitude during the week, not so much at the weekend.

I have 7 stones to lose (I'm just under 19st) and would like to lose 7lbs a month in theory.

I've got a bit of reading to do about the plan it seems.

Thanks to those who have suggested it on my other thread, it looks too good to be true!

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 09/11/2013 11:42

Right! I'm off!

Bsshh is making me salivate too much and I am supposed to be busy! I tend to come on here when need a quick 5 min back straighten, or having a cuppa. Think the balance of breaks/work gets bit off kilter sometimes thanks to this place Grin

Who cares though eh!!

I work hard (most of time). Play hard!.. Yeah!!!! (arm pumps air)

(pumped up Cukoo grabs cleaning stuff, and marches off to kettle work)

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 09/11/2013 11:49

Hi Nitrox!

Better say quick hello in case you think it was something you said Grin

Scroll back and read posts to Donkey on last page (I think). That to you too.

Always is nice to hear a bit of background to help newbies and find the right support for you!

We have departments for everything here. All ages, genders, shapes, sizes, physical conditions, mental conditions etc.

Tell us a bit more about yourself age, height, goals etc.

Then the right people will jump up with extra reassurance and motivation for you. Which we will all give. But always nice to find things in common. Makes it more real/likely in our heads!

Thanks and Good Luck

BigChocFrenzy · 09/11/2013 11:53

Morning all, I'm FDing today.

Flowers Flowers to you toffee and DD. Your food sounds very nurturing for dd. Be proud of yourself for being such a good mum and cook.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/11/2013 11:59

I see some threaders have really important milestones :

Flowers TwinM Hip, hip hurray tp you for achieving the 10s.

Flowers Emma Well done, under 8 stone, blimey !

BsshBossh · 09/11/2013 12:06

nitrox hello! Settle in and have a good read then chat away with us when you're ready. Nothing like jumping in at the deep-end: start with your first fast on Monday as loads of us are Monday fasters (very nice to fast on a Monday after an indulgent weekend).

BigChocFrenzy · 09/11/2013 12:10

Hi cuckoo It is against the rules to convert target losses to lb, until it is under 1 stone. Any US visitors take note ! Maybe you could calculate your target in B&J tubs instead - motivating or depressing ?
Hmm
You'll get to your 9 stone with patience and you'll probably solve your health issues on the way.

Re possible allergies / reactions: maybe try giving up each possible cuplrit for 3 weeks, either in turn or singly, depending on will-power. From our intimate knowledge of your foibles, possibly leaving the "no booze" as the final trial