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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 30 - Did half term bingeing make you feel dirty? Then hop on board thread number 30!

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BetsyBell · 07/11/2013 16:09

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
BigChocFrenzy · 08/11/2013 19:03

cuckoo, Betsy Feel free to kick my arse really hard.

I planned to eat out Friday evening to minimise the Frenzy, but I was knackered and it was monsooning and i thought I could be good ....

My Frenzy outsmarted me
Sad
But I am a resourceful woman : I will either eat out next Friday or eat canteen lunch and skip dangerous supper.
Smile

BigChocFrenzy · 08/11/2013 19:11

Tip, Bssh Thanks for reassurance. I will work on tactics for next Friday
Any newbies: you know what not to do !

rubbish Muscle mass is "good weight" which exercise helps one retain during a diet weight loss. We want to reduce fat, which is the unhealthy bit.

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 08/11/2013 19:16

Blimey BIGchoc Are we going to have to come round and smash the jar to get you out? Are you naked wearing a face pack too? Not sure my ulcer could take it Grin

I'm with Bsshh for slightly less nice reasons! It always makes me feel better about own blow outs (evil face) Saying that I don't count the cals, and I def don't put in the gym hours you do! I'll shut up!

Sorry you had rotten day at work Thanks

Main thing is you enjoyed it! (blow out)

Bsshh I AM trying those tmw!

Donkey dare to share your age?? Bet we can beat it for you!

p.s You are never too old, until the fat...oh um! None of us are singing though, so age no excuse!! Grin

Talkinpeace · 08/11/2013 19:19

Aaaahhh. DH home. Can have a drink. He's driven 1100 miles this week. Pizza beckons.

BetsyBell · 08/11/2013 19:58

bigchoc yeah, I just find I have not buy the nut butter (or whatever) in the first place. If it's not to hand I won't eat it. Anyway, totally understandable - sorry no arse kickings here Grin

I am half a camembert, some olives, plus plenty of homemade rosemary & garlic foccacia, plus 2 g&ts & 2 glasses of vin rouge down. Oh yeah.

Happy friday folks Wine xx

OP posts:
NotAsTired · 08/11/2013 20:00

Hey everyone, not been around much on here because i've been a bit down and feeling a bit crap but, on the plus side, I am still plodding away at the ole 5:2. I have plateaued maintained for what seems likes months but I think's only 3 or 4 weeks.

This week, I've been doing 16:8 or 18:6 as well as the 5:2. I find that I can't face breakfast first thing in the morning anymore so I either eat it later or, like today, skip it altogether. tip would be proud of me, especially as I have not been snacking either. Grin

Talkinpeace · 08/11/2013 20:05

((( NotAsTired ))) plateaus are hard unless they are like the one I've been stuck on for 11 months Grin
Think of it the other way around.
THe fasting is having significant medical benefits to your system
and you are not putting weight ON.

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 08/11/2013 20:06

((((((Notastired)))))) Thanks

Sorry to hear you are feeling so rubbish. Just a thought, if you are feeling so low is there a chance you're not eating enough and the dreaded starvation mode has kicked in??

I plateaued for 3 weeks before a loss again this week. I know 3 wks not long in 5:2 terms, but feels like forever at time! Hang on in there and I'm sure it will get moving soon. Just make sure you're getting enough, and take care of yourself!

toffeesponge · 08/11/2013 20:08

DD poorly again. Nothing is going right at the moment. Don't want anything to eat for comfort though which I good as normally I'd be mainlining chocolate by now for the past month.

BsshBossh · 08/11/2013 20:11

Big hugs to you NotAsTired.

BsshBossh · 08/11/2013 20:12

Oh toffee big hugs to you too. What a time for you Thanks.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/11/2013 20:14

Thanks for kind thoughts cuckoo. Pretty obvious why I plateau !
Well, we'll keep NNNing, but mindful of your possible allergies / tum and my frenzies.

Betsy you are perfectly correct: If I buy nut butter I will either Frenzy it all up or be restrained . Not buying it again would eliminate possibility number 1.

I'll check in again tomorrow on my FD. Evening all

Talkinpeace · 08/11/2013 20:15

toffeesponge do you realise how mahoosive an achievement not comfort eating is?
Well done, well done, well done.
Must get you into mindfulness and yoga - it will help.

NotAsTired · 08/11/2013 20:15

Thanks for the hugs, tip and cuckoo. Smile

I shouldn't think it's starvation mode, cuckoo, as I've had lots of feasting over the last few weeks what with festivals and holy days and all that. No, it's more to do with life and how it bites you on the ass.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/11/2013 20:18

Big hugs to toffee and Notastired. Just read that you are both having a rotten time. Do take care of yourselves and I hope things soon get better for you.
Flowers Flowers

NotAsTired · 08/11/2013 20:19

Thanks, bssh.

toffee you seem to be having a right old time of it, you poor thing, but well done on mainlining chocolate. Hope your dd gets better real soon. Thanks

NotAsTired · 08/11/2013 20:20

NOT mainlining chocolate. (Doh)

toffeesponge · 08/11/2013 20:21

I am proud I am not stuffing myself but after a really difficult few months years really I am fed up of always having to just get on with things. I spent most of today in tears over 3 different things and now DD is poorly and I shouldn't have sent her back to school yesterday. Might have been Wednesday actually Confused.

Does mindfulness work for emotional stress and broken hearts?

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 08/11/2013 20:25

I hear ya, Notas I hear ya!

toffee big hugs to dd! I absolutely freak when dd not right, worst thing in world for us mums. Hope she pulls through soon.

BigChoc this thread is in danger of being counter productive! I have such a list of things to buy/make/try. Added to list now nut butter! Sick of hearing about something, obviously delicious, that I haven't tasted myself. And more importantly, that isn't in my cupboard right now!

Just having glass of wine and chips! Stomach ache kicked in. Shiver just went down my spine when I asked myself if alcohol could be the intolerable item Shock Shock just downed glass to steady nerves!

Talkinpeace · 08/11/2013 20:29

toffeesponge
yes and yes
message me and we'll natter over the weekend

And for all those feeling down.
The best eulogy / pick me up / song / ever / in history

truly uplifting

and for all those who sometimes feel like it will not turn out OK
my fave song for friends facing rough days

(DH and I aim it at my mum ....)

I go eat now Xx

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 08/11/2013 20:37

(((((((((((((((((( Toffee )))))))))))))))))))))

You are not alone! And yes, mindfulness can definitely help you. But when things feel raw, it is much more difficult to focus on how to think, how to feel. We just do it, without any control.

I really hope whatever it is, gets better soon. As somebody with their own whole set of crap, all I can say is hang in there, you will get through this and we will help drag you where we can X

toffeesponge · 08/11/2013 20:40
Flowers

just one week of easy would be so good.

MrsFlorrick · 08/11/2013 20:40

Toffee. Sorry you are having a shit time!!

Hugs for you.

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 08/11/2013 20:43

Tip Thanks - you're lovely really aren't you? I knew Mimi was wrong about you! Wink x

BsshBossh · 08/11/2013 21:45

Another big vote for mindfulness toffee. It's been key (alongside cognitive behavioural therapy and neurolinguistic programming) in helping me through some very hard times.