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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 30 - Did half term bingeing make you feel dirty? Then hop on board thread number 30!

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BetsyBell · 07/11/2013 16:09

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
annielewis · 08/11/2013 09:23

nonno I've been doing 4:3 for 19 days and have lost 6 lb. it started coming off after the first week I think. Stuck at same weight for few days (yes I'm weighing in daily) but think its TOTM so not too bothered.

I am horrendously impatient too, but also fundamentally greedy and lazy! GrinGrin Think I've found the WOE to accommodate me.... How long have you been doing this for now?

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 08/11/2013 09:35

Morning All (waving)

Was starting to get withdrawal as didn't get my usual fix on here last night! Grin

Is it just us or does the School/Social calendar of all dc's go nuts in November? Dd lost another tooth and the buggers just keep catching me off guard now! Wouldn't be a problem if wasn't for fact that I've kind of set the bar for the Tooth Fairy! School trip today too. So, busy night last night, which ended with me typing up the next epic installment from the Tooth Fairy at 1.30 in morning! We do it for the love, right??..

Anyway down to business:

Weight loss: -1lb first in 3 weeks. Finally!
Pelvic Floor: Still attached. Coughing, sneezing, laughing at about 98% reliability.
NNN: Nothing except good wholesome fare so far since we started, although I did lick the nutella off my finger this morning, making dd breakfast. But is NFD!
Exercise: Big fat zero! Blush I have been a bit back achey though after room reshuffling, so possibly not a bad thing. Next week, I'm on it!

3 NFD ahead of me now. Being goodish tonight ref junk, but will otherwise eat whatever like.
Tomorrow however, I am having a special night in with two very sexy fellas. Mr B and Mr J. Might even make it a foursome and invite my good friend Mr Choc.O.Lat round too who am I kidding, of course I will. In fact lets make it an orgy

How is everyone else doing??

Raises eyebrow at Betsy and BigChoc...? Hmm

BeCoolFucker · 08/11/2013 09:39

Done my 2FD for the first week!! Hooray :)

It such a psychological battle isn't it? As a lifelong overeater it's really important for me to learn it is OK to be hungry. It is OK! There will be food in the morning. And then in the morning I'm not overly hungry and eat normally. Actually better than normally - the most amazing thing about 5:2 is how quickly my blood sugars stabilize. Whereas I've thought about food, biscuits butter bread and cheese for 11 months now, suddenly after 2 days F I am free of those thoughts and I just want to eat like a normal person again. It's a huge relief.

Looking forward to a nice weekend, eating what I want to eat within TDEE and not having to think about "being on a diet".

Bliss

BigChocFrenzy · 08/11/2013 10:14

Hi Cuckoo Isn't it nice to come through a plateau. Good for you.
Envy
I've kept to NNN and will do so this weekend (for 10 junk-free days)

So, next B&J job will be 1 week today. It does feel strange not to have a muffin or ice for my pud and to walk past the bakery, donutless. I have to watch my automatic reflex, like a frog's tongue snatching and gulping its prey.

I've even stopped the rice pud for 10 days, so cross fingers my healthy buckwheat, almond milk (& Splenda !!) doesn't go nuclear - I wish I had your cookery talent. Everone on this thread seems to cook well. My after-cook cleanup often involves major repair work !

Betsy: Your turn to show and tell

BigChocFrenzy · 08/11/2013 10:54

PS cuckoo I of course maintained my gym bunnying of 1-2 hrs per night. No halo; I love exercise and it keeps my mind off food very effectively.

Tonight is my training rest day, so I may eat out this evening in my favourite restaurant. If so, I'll skip lunch. I like to keep to 2 meals per day even on NFDs, to minimise frenzy attacks - I can frenzy on 2 pizzas & 3 portions of chips and I haven't given up savoury junk !

BetsyBell · 08/11/2013 11:35

Big Choc cuckoo NNN show and tell: I ate 150grams of yogurt the other day which was 16% sugar but aside from that I've been a very good girl! I do have plans for a GIN and TONIC (full fat) tonight, but just the one, and there may well be wine at the weekend. But still avoiding sugary goods (aside from the tonic and booze).

I do appear to be planning a white flour foccaccia baking session this evening so not exactly low carbing or anything!

OP posts:
BsshBossh · 08/11/2013 11:41

cuckoo well done on being patient and breaking through the plateau. Patience is key, is my perhaps annoying refrain to everyone here.
BigChoc you deserve to polish your halo for sticking with NNN.
Nonno I lost weight on 5:2 immediately but I've had my fair share of plateaux.
Grand I like your style :)
BeCool an excellent first week, good work.
ducky focus on the skinny!

NFD today and woke up at 4.30am (can't blame DD this time, just hunger!) surfing chocolate and hazelnut (and Nutella) muffin recipes. Found a lovely one so will be baking those this afternoon for DD after school, DH (who has a day off - hurrah) and me (so I took day off too).

Having spent the wee hours before everyone was up salivating over muffin recipes, when it came to breakfast I didn't fancy my planned mince pies at all. Instead I treated myself to a bowl of porridge and fruit compote at Gail's bakery near my home. Oh my goodness, their normal portion was too big. I was full after a third of it. I found myself trying to eat more of it because leaving so much behind looked so wasteful to me. Then I realised this is the bakery's problem (reduce your serving sizes Gail's!) and not mine so I left it with just a hint of guilt. Their small flat white was too much for me too. No wonder people are getting fatter when these portions are considered normal .

TessCackle · 08/11/2013 11:44

Hi everyone, starting the 5:2 next week with tues and thurs being my fast days. Are there suggestions of things to eat on these days to keep within my calorie allowance? Thanks Smile

lindamac44 · 08/11/2013 12:09

Hello!
i am new to the boards but have to admit I have been lurking for a few weeks! I started 5:2 about 10 weeks ago after seeing my neighbour's fantastic results. I have lost 16.5lbs but today i put on 3/4 lb! really gutted but as the post says I did have a nice halfterm and have been good this week to try and make up for it! it is also TOTM so I don't know if that has anything to do with it.
i have to say i find this WOE great, it is flexible and once you get a few fast days under your belt they aren't too bad!

i don't tend to count calories on my NFD but as I work full time i find it easier to be good at work and only bring in healthy things.

anyone else ever have a week they put on?? any advice!
thanks!

MrsFlorrick · 08/11/2013 12:18

Hello everyone. Grin

Well done all the new fasters this week! And experienced ones too of course!

I am a bit like Bssh. Very close to goal (Bssh and I are BMI twins I think Wink).

I could lose faster if I was strict on TDEE every day. But at weekends I'm not and I often end up well over 2000. Ie 2300 and similar. I more or less scoff what I want on Friday and Saturday nights.

During the week I aim under TDEE as I find I stall or gain at TDEE because I am naughty at weekends.

Obviously I fast twice a week although this week it's been one FD and two mini fasts. End result the same.

I am 6lbs or so away from goal.

If I made an effort to keep weekends at TDEE (goal weight tDEE is 1745 - I am tall). Then I could zoom to that goal.

However where I have always failed before is being too strict and then falling off the wagon, eating everything in sight and gaining weight.

For those who don't know, I'm relatively new to weightloss. Didn't need it pre DC but two bouts of Gestational diabetes saw a 6 stone weight gain. So over the last two years I've tried lots of different diets.

So far this is the one I could sustain forever without question.

I am currently still counting calories on mfp. Otherwise id over eat.

postmanpatscat · 08/11/2013 12:28

This thread is sooooooo busy!

Can't remember everyone's updates but toffee well done on your NSV and almost one stone loss, you've come such a long way!

Re sticking to TDEE or not, I did when actively trying to lose weight (Feb - May) but when I met my target I stopped MFPing and relaxed a bit. I am now doing 2 FDs a week again to lose the post-holiday increase but I'm not counting or worrying much about what I eat on NFDs - it will go! I am burning about 500 cals through running 3-4 times a week so that helps too. That's like a day's extra food! Interestingly, when I stopped logging I still carried on losing weight, ending up 10lbs or so under my original target.

Tess welcome - avoid carbs and fruit, drink plenty, salads, veg and lean proteins are your friends! Try to wait until dinner to eat if you can, but that might take some practice.

toffeesponge · 08/11/2013 12:35

Thank you postmanpatscat Flowers.

whimsicalname · 08/11/2013 13:09

Thank you mehefin that was a lovely thing to say. I love my little chaps and wouldn't swap them for anything (except sometimes a full night's sleep and a wee in peace).

Really struggled with my fd yesterday, and probably came in about 600. Clearly not the end of the world. We'll done everyone who has finished for the week. Happy weekend cooking!

Talkinpeace · 08/11/2013 13:57

twinmamma
I'm a yoga fan nutter my gym does not have Bikram but I regularly do a mile swim an hour of vinyasa flow and an hour of bodypump on a fast day
so long as I have my pint of tea at breakfast and a big drink of water after my swim I'm fine.

Talkinpeace · 08/11/2013 14:00

WHETHER TO EAT TO YOUR TDEE

Somewhere on the tips and hints thread is an old summary I worked out of a weekly eating plan that seemed to help a few people :

Monday : Fast day - 500 calories
Tuesday : TDEE less 10% - no booze, no snacks
Wednesday : same as Tuesday
Thursday : same as Monday
Friday : TDEE
Saturday : pretty much what you like
Sunday : TDEE

which should give enough of a deficit to keep weight healthily down, while allowing Wine and Cake at weekends

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 08/11/2013 14:34

%&$£&%$£!?!!! arrrrrrggghhhhhhhhh just lost my bloody EPIC post.......$£%&£?!%$

... back in an hour Angry

Talkinpeace · 08/11/2013 14:36

Cuckoo
if ever it looks like its done that to you again,
hit the "back" button on your browser and it will go back to the post in edit mode,
highlight the post, "ctrl-c" to pop it in the clipboard
then refresh and if needs be log back in
then "ctrl-v" and its ready to roll

(spot the person with dodgy broadband Grin)

MelanieCheeks · 08/11/2013 14:39

Tess there's a special recipes thread on this section, plenty of ideas there!

Itsaboatjack · 08/11/2013 14:40

However where I have always failed before is being too strict and then falling off the wagon, eating everything in sight and gaining weight.

This has been my experience too MrsF so now I'm trying to make a conscience effort to be patient and take it slow and steady.

lindamac44 · 08/11/2013 14:40

There are so many inspirational 5:2ers on here it's great! did you ever stall or put weight on at any point? and what did you do to give it a kick start?

Talkinpeace · 08/11/2013 14:47

lindamac
I hit my target weight last December.
Last Christmas I put on over half a stone on holiday and lost it again within weeks.
I put on 4 lb on holiday at Easter and lost it in a couple of weeks
Another 5lb in the summer and lost it by late September.
I'm currently trying to get below target weight so that I can overindulge at Christmas.

Healthy people do not have a "static" weight. They fluctuate by a couple of pounds either side of their ideal weight.
and with 5:2 we have the tools to shift the pounds from yummy holiday food.

duckyfuzz · 08/11/2013 14:48

TIP its really useful to see what others do, it helps keep me on track at least!
This week I have done:
Monday : Fast day
Tuesday : TDEE less 10% - no booze, no snacks
Wednesday : Fast day
Thursday : TDEE less 10% (but this was mostly included booze!)
Friday : aim is TDEE... on 600 so far (as I needed toast due to the wine yesterday Blush)

Hopefully I can be better than usual over the weekend then fast again on Monday

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 08/11/2013 15:09

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN........ (drum roll)...

I GIVE YOU.......... BIGCHOCFRENZY - The Pudding Dodger!!

(proud face) Well done you!! Knowing your filthy, dirty habits I am AMAZED! What plateau?? Carry on like this and you will kick its sugar crusted ass in no time!

Betsy You too! Well done! I wouldn't have counted the yoghurt on my list, so hats off! Hope you enjoy the G&T and it doesn't give you a hangover from the sugar surge!

Bsshh Thank you! It's been a funny week tummy wise, so I wasn't really expecting much. When I saw the scales I thought "That'll do nicely thanks!" Spooky reading your post, because I must have spent an hour online last night searching for nutella recipes at dd's request! Think I'll have a go at the 3 ingredient nutella brownies, or the equivalent cookies. Let us know what you do!

Postman You have planted a seed. I have been wracking my brain for last two months to find the cause of the skin prob/scalp itch, but hadn't considered a food intolerance. I now know that allergies and intolerances are two very different things! Food for thought, so thanks!

Grandstand, Redbird, Batty, Duckyfuzz, Nonnomum, Tess, LindaMac.
Hello, Welcome, Welcome back! Good Luck with your goals. This place is full of proof that this wol can work for everybody, so get your fast on!

Think I may have one for the Tips thread. Don't go shopping on an empty belly morning after 3 consecutive days fasting. I was attacked by all sorts of things! I liberated a loaf of stollen from the shelves, and have just sat down with lovely coffee to have some. The smell of brandy smacked me in the face when I opened it. Checked the cals - alledgedly it is 217 for a very small slice (my standards). So on the basis that I just don't believe this could be true, I have had 3 slices.

errr... think I have just confessed to eating something sweet! Doh! Didn't even think about it. Was telling the truth in previous post regards NNN though, promise! Oh well it is technically the weekend, so will just swap fri for sun.

While the confession box is open Hmm ... a bottle of wine launched itself into my trolley, didn't realise it was trying to escape until I had scanned it. Shop was too busy to bother getting refund. It just happens to be best before tmw too! Funny that huh!? So may have to partake in a small glass or two later as I HATE waste. It's just been one of those kinds of week this week, and doesn't happen often these days regarding booze, so I can live with it.

POST EPIC POST ALERT!! #2

Hello also to any newcomers since I started typing! Wink

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 08/11/2013 15:19

Thanks Tip think I accidently hit another link because I ended up with Mimi's face gawping at me. When I hit back, was all gone Angry

Would that still work then??

Got shite broadband here too! Hoped new router after I blew up last one would've sorted it, but no such luck!

Keep meaning to ask.... Who is this Mimi bird anyway?? I'm only familiar with Michael M, and the esteemed MN 5:2 thread elders regards this woe.
She important or wot?? gone all cockney for some strange reason

annielewis · 08/11/2013 15:51

Am having another fast day here as think i am in for an epic weekend and my scales seem to have got sstuck this morning so am aiming for some damage limitation!

Does anyone do weekend fasts or is that too hardcore and impossible with a husband and two kids??

Cuckoo Mimi is a fashion journalist who jumped pretty niftily on to the FD Bandwagon in the early stages after the Horizon programme aired originally. She joint wrote the book