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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 30 - Did half term bingeing make you feel dirty? Then hop on board thread number 30!

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BetsyBell · 07/11/2013 16:09

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
BetsyBell · 14/11/2013 09:07

I don't think I can fast over Christmas. That would be an epic challenge actually Shock, maybe I should try. I know I'd appreciate it afterwards.

OP posts:
BetsyBell · 14/11/2013 09:08

Lots of water Bennetgirl! (and yes, of course it's ok to drop in - these threads are very hard to keep up with!)

OP posts:
PoshPaula · 14/11/2013 09:17

Ladies.... (and gents, if there are any contributing to this thread) - I am LOSING WEIGHT. Just a little but it's coming off. I feel good. This WOE works.

And this is after eating steak and chips, curry, birthday cake and drinking wine for most of last weekend.

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl · 14/11/2013 09:21

Had a pint already, but taken some painkillers also, might sleek back to bed for an hour if it doesn't shift.
I feel hungover, but not having had an alcoholic drink since last friday I don't think that's right :-D

It does seem extreme to be planning to fast over christmas, but I know how hard it will be to get my normal exercise in over the school holidays, mix that with lovely food and it's already sounding like the biggest excuse in the making.

I joined a '2 stone by christmas' thread at the start of september in the vain hope it might lose half that. Since I've only got 11lbs to actually attain that, I'm not going to let a few quality street and a kilo of cheese undo that!

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl · 14/11/2013 09:22

And apols for the excessive use of 'that' in that there post :/

MrsFlorrick · 14/11/2013 09:30

Bigchocfrenzy. Yes. I am fasting. I caution this by saying that DS was up a million times last night and I've had 3 hours of broken sleep. I normally don't feel hungry in the morning but this morning I am craving crap!

Talkin. It's tough. Did you also find that the world and his wife had parents or in laws around the corner who constantly were in hand? And they keep telling you how haaaard it is whilst having a lie in while their mils hold the baby?? That drives me slightly insane.

I am not saying it isn't hard for everyone (before I get flamed and evicted from thread)!!

So about to tuck into a soya latte (25cals) and a chamomile tea.

Good luck fasters. Smile

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 14/11/2013 09:30

I think buying too much is the killer. I tend to do it every year. I always forget that leftovers are the favourite choice for the first few days. I have been guilty of going out and buying as if I'm stock piling for a national emergency!

This is partly due to living in sticks where there is a genuine risk of being cut off in bad snow.

However! I can load the freezer, cupboards with normal food if I'm concerned. It doesn't have to be 1000 cals a bite kind of fare!

I need to seriously reduce the amount bought as we end up wheeling it out just to use it up! Shock

A few very nice things to savour and spread out. Rather than an everyday pigathon! I will write my shopping list, then halve it! Oh and stick to a shopping list instead of turning into a salesmans dream just because it's Christmas! I'm normally really good at that too so no reason to lose it!

I like to make as much as poss because I enjoy doing it, and shop bought never matches up to homemade once you start diy. So your idea is bang on. Get the ingredients in and if want it, will have to make it!!

xCupidStuntx · 14/11/2013 09:36

Fast day for me today Grin

Yesterday on non fast day I managed to stick to 1500cals of healthy food, I'm so proud!! It was only reading a thread last night about binge eating that reminded what am achievement that actually is for me, sorry for sounding so self congratulatory but I have to celebrate even the smallest successes with such a long road ahead of me!

I fell asleep thinking of nutella porridge though Smile sounds gorgeous!!
Everyone sounds in great form today, well done posh Paula and theleast, love hearing how well everybody's doing!

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wrigglebum · 14/11/2013 09:54

MrsF and Tip- I'm with you in the no parents nearby brigade. It is so much harder- both sets of grandparents are four hours away. I'm so jealous of people with help but then at least we get to raise our children out own way without parents having an opinion. I think I find it easier to cope with than DH- I grew up without grandparents near but his were round the corner and looked after him loads. I keep having to explain we can't have the neat and tidy house his mum managed without all that help and we just have to survive whilst they're small (4yo and 18mo at the moment and not great sleepers either).

I do have it easier than you MrsF in that when the grandparents come to stay they help out a bit- MIL likes to clean and my parents like to take the boys out or babysit in the evening with a takeaway so we can go out. Talking of which, they're arriving today for the weekend so must plan a night out Smile.

Anyway, back to more 5:2 related chat, the deviant porridge and fudge frenzy doesn't appear to have caused a problem as I was 9st2 this morning, so I'm now 5lbs under my target! I celebrated with some deviant toast Grin.

duckyfuzz · 14/11/2013 09:59

So far so good, have just been for my first run since August Blush < that's the colour of my face when I got back! I ran for 20 mins at a reasonable pace, so am pretty happy with that as a first effort in 3 months.

Vietnamese salad sounds yum, might look that up!

postmanpatscat · 14/11/2013 10:03

Morning all

Well done wriggle on your loss and ducky on your run.

Not fasting today...feel sh*te already so thought I'd give myself a break. DD2 had a day off school on Tues with nausea, d&v, cold, runny eyes, the works. I felt last night like she may have passed it on to me. A bit better this morning, but too queasy for an empty stomach.

BeCoolFucker · 14/11/2013 10:32

I've competed my FD's for the week - swoons!!

last night was a little tough - this year I've separated from XP, stopped smoking, virtually given up drinking and can now rarely leave the house in the evenings. So I've been watching a lot of TV and eating and gaining weight. Removing food from the equation on FD's strips things right back - it's interesting and I love it.

I didn't want to watch TV last night - I felt a little lost.

SO I had a bubble bath and shaved and scrubbed and did my feet and moisturised all over inc putting on foot cream and bed socks etc - the works.

I like the new places I am being led to by this.

Happy fasting today everyone.

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 14/11/2013 11:24

Wrigglebum, Tip, MrsF - another one here! Second generation too. We were forces family, moved every couple of yrs as child, were 5 of us, dad always away and no relatives nearby to help. Mum did everything. How, I'll never know.

As result I have no roots, no relationship with extended families as I've never known them and aren't nearby anyway. My immediate family fell apart for one tragic reason or another so never see them. In-laws live other end of country and never see.
Am alone, no career or life of own, no friends as amongst other reasons dp and I lived in each other's pockets, and to top it off am going to be single parent soon. Have never had any help. Dd 8 now so it's much easier obv, but I could cry thinking about how much I've struggled. And yes MrsF I do baulk a bit at certain people I know who claim to have it so tough with dcs, yet I would give my right arm to swap toughness with! Though the ones I know of tend to be more high maintenance sorts anyway.

(puts violin down, switches off sad Simon Mayo music)

But, I am getting myself sorted. Losing weight whilst getting all lovely benefits too, studying for new career and determined never to let my depression/life get out of control again. Am trying to view single life as a door opening to the life I really want instead, of the accidental one I found myself in. Looking forward to me and my dd having some amazing years ahead really living life as it should be - for the amazing wonder of it. Not the dull existence life with dp has become. Freedom will be my friend!

On another note.......

Fasting and constipation. Any thoughts?......

Am drinking water by gallon.
Veg a plenty.

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 14/11/2013 11:26

BeCool lovely post! Been a busy year for you!

The benefits of this woe/wol will just keep coming, so that positivity should hopefully keep growing!

Congrats on giving up cigs too!! Got to be one of hardest habits to kick eh!

Your evening sounded gorge and perfect for a fd distraction/reward.

BsshBossh · 14/11/2013 11:28

FD today. Going really well so far cause I've spent all morning in the hairdressers. Will go to the gym at "lunch" then home to actually do some work before school pickup. Thinking I just want a big plate of greens tonight (as last night - stir fried courgettes, spinach, with garlic and balsamic).

MelanieCheeks · 14/11/2013 11:30

Water and walking for constipation. Coffee sometimes helps too.

I'm not going to strictly plan fast days over Christmas, but I know I can skip the odd breakfast and lunch without it being too difficult.

I'm not a fan of stuffing anyway, but I'm the only one in teh house who likes Christmas cake and pudding, so I'll buy the smallest available of those.

MrsFlorrick · 14/11/2013 11:38

Wrigglebum! 5lbs under target!! Shock Wow! Amazing. And your youngest is only 18months! Hats off to you.

Toffee. Thanks Hope your DD is better and it went well at the hospital.

Cuckoo. That's tough. If you and your DP are over then being a single parent will probably feel liberating.

DH is an only. All my family are abroad and they are quite cold disengaged people anyway. Ie. DS is 2 y and 3 months and they've met him once! He was 6 months old and had tonsilitis and they left several days ahead of schedule because he was too whiny. And not been back since!Hmm

PILs are lovely but very old/infirm and far away. They can't help. It's not their fault. They are just too old. But the site on the DC and are just lovely kind funny people. So despite the cooking and extra work, I do enjoy their visits. We offered to move them down here and buy a place close to us (ie same road or next) but they declined and said they were too old for the upheaval.

You are not friend-less. You have us lot for a start Grin

vintage52er · 14/11/2013 11:58

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vintage52er · 14/11/2013 12:02

Oops, re my last post, it's not a few days just 24 hrs - doh!
Just seems like a long time as I've got a stinking cold at the mo and not sleeping much

vintage52er · 14/11/2013 12:44

Betsybell
Last Christmas I put on 1lb which is proof that we can do this. I am so proud of that 1lb because no way did I restrict myself in December, all I did was to carry on fasting. Ok, I was doing 4:3/5:2 as that is how I lost most of my weight (2 stones) and I'm a really slow loser.
During December I did the usual socialising and eating that went with it. My daughter lives up country and invited us for a 'mini Xmas' which was really just another full blown Xmas. We had all the dinner, puddings, alcohol, chocolate, mince pies etc etc etc...... I also visited my son and went out for dinner and had more of mince pies etc etc. Then back home for 'real' Xmas, I had another dinner, pudding etc etc.
So how did I only just put on 1lb? Well until I went to visit I stuck to my 2 or 3 fasts a week, I fasted the day before I went away (regardless of whether it was my normal fast day) and I fasted as soon as I returned. The same when I went to my son's, and I missed breakfast sometimes when I felt like it.
The day before Christmas eve I fasted and 2 days after Boxing day. During all this time I didn't refuse any yummy goodies and felt satisfied. I felt that it would have been a shame to undo all my good work by over indulging all the time.

Having said all that, it looks like this year will be a repeat of last so I'm hoping I can find the strength to be consistent. Even though I'm maintaining ok (3lbs over my goal and hoping to be lower by xmas) the desire to be 'good' is not as strong. To all of you who are nearing your goals, I'd say try to go a couple of lbs lower as a couple of lbs seems to go back on quite quickly at the start of maintenance (in my case anyway) Wink

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 14/11/2013 13:01

Just popping in to say hi.

Not managing a FD being at home, but am sticking to my TDEE and running more too so hopefully can maintain or lose a little bit.

Once I find a job I will 5:2 again. I just find it harder to fast at home when DH is at home too and I just find myself eating with him.

toffeesponge · 14/11/2013 13:46

FD today and I am not enjoying it. Head feels cotton woolly. DD at MIL and I am fretting about her. Just having first drink of the day as no time with school run then straight to hospital for blood to be taken. Results this afternoon.

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 14/11/2013 13:59

Yes Mrs F, and you lot are lovely. Thanks

Didn't want to overdo the cheese by saying it though (although this is a cheese lovin' thread so why not!).
I know it may have made me sound pathetic to admit, but it's true. So if that makes me pathetic, then pathetic I am! At least I'll be slim and pathetic! Grin

I heart you all X

With all these sob stories on thread, I cannot help but think of a really funny Monty Python sketch. I urge anyone who hasn't seen it (and even those that have), to watch it.

Laughter is def the best medicine sometimes!

We had it tough!....

BsshBossh · 14/11/2013 13:59

Loads of dark green veggies for constipation (as well as the usual water and wholegrain fibre).

I'm still going to try and get two fasts in Christmas and New Year weeks but I'm not going to beat myself up if they turn into mini fasts or even no fasts.

As for over-consumption, I don't think this year I will be able to overstuff myself - simply not physically possible without me spending Christmas with my head down a toilet.

The key is definitely not stocking in too much stuff - I've told my mum not to bring boxes of biscuits and chocolates round (we always host Christmas) because no one eats them (far to many other goodies to eat eg cake and these lovely fruit salads my DH makes). Cheese on the other hand... well the more the better!

ChocolatePudding · 14/11/2013 14:14

Hello everyone!

I confess to having lurked on your threads for several months. I started the 5:2 back in April. Your posts were amazingly informative and motivational and I found the fasting fairly easy. That is until the summer months. After having initially lost 12lb (ish) I undid a lot of my hard work by continuing to over eat on NFDs whilst not actually doing a single successful FD! So I began October having put 8lb back on.

I have restarted with the 5:2 and now that my head is in the right place again I am just about managing to do my FDs successfully. I'm now at 10st 10.

Thankfully I've never quite been overweight, except when I put on 4 or more stone during pregnancy (x3!!!) but thankfully I managed to lose the majority of it again. Its been harder every time.

I think my problem is that because I don't have a huge amount to lose, I find it hard to stay motivated and am struggling to lose the last 10lb. I keep finding myself stuck around 10st 10 when I really want to be just hitting the 9st 13 mark.

I've also found that since having kids the distribution of my weight has changed. I'm 5' 8'' and have always been pear shaped, but since having kids I seem to have accumulated a lot more of my weight around my waist. So much so that I have quite a bulge over my jeans which I didn't have 7 years ago Sad and I'm really conscious of wearing loose baggy tops to cover it up.

I am damned if I want to start 2014 with a resolution to lose weight!!! I want to feel like my days of yo yo dieting are behind me once and for all and that this WOE is for life and that it becomes my 'normal'.

Thanks to everyone on this thread for secretly spurring me on. I couldn't have started without you. I just hope that by finally contributing to the thread it might help me to stay on track this time.

Also a big hug to all of you struggling at the moment with sick children, lack of family support and horrid jobs. I wish you all well.

And congratulations to those of you who have done so amazingly well on the 5:2. I hope soon to be another of the success stories.

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