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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 30 - Did half term bingeing make you feel dirty? Then hop on board thread number 30!

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BetsyBell · 07/11/2013 16:09

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
Itsaboatjack · 12/11/2013 17:14

Glad I was having a planned FD today as I've been so busy at work I wouldn't have had time to eat anyway. I'm finally getting to sit down with a cup of tea then off to pick up dd1 from school and take her to brownies, then home to a huge mountain of ironing!

Hope everyone's day is going well. I'll try and catch up a bit later.

rubbishfamily333 · 12/11/2013 17:48

Biscuits - hopefully you won't be out if work too long! I know it can be very worrying but it was making you so miserable it's probably for the est!

MrsF - thanks for looking Grin I will have a look online and see what I can find for timing loose skin!

rubbishfamily333 · 12/11/2013 17:50

So my weight today was 10.5.8, I would love to be under 10stone by Xmas, and not just on the day after a fast day. Do you think it's likely?

Will be interested to see what my weight is after this week. Shock

duckyfuzz · 12/11/2013 18:29

Evening all. NFD here but well within TDEE so far and have just had toad in the hole, yum!

Biscuits sorry about the job, but it sounds like you are better off out of it if its making you ill. I have recently left a job that I loved, but which necessitated me working ridiculous hours, always exhausted, comfort eating etc. I'm so much happier now!

Will try to catch up with everyone properly - you guys talk too much Grin

wrigglebum · 12/11/2013 19:22

Yes rubbish, I certainly think it's possible. Averaging 1lb a week would do it. But don't be disheartened if not, you will probably get there as long as you stick at it.

Biscuits, sorry about the job but hopefully this is just freeing you up for that perfect job you will find.

toffee, hope dd is better soon. Make sure you take care of yourself too as you've been having a rough time.

NFD here thank goodness, got a mega hunger on here. Did a workout but I was rubbish and I've been craving crap and giving in a bit to that. Oh well, tomorrow is another day. Having a large rib eye steak with Stilton crumbled on top and a ton of roasted veg tonight, quite fancy a glass of red with that too Smile.

eatriskier · 12/11/2013 19:23

Oh my. Dd didn't have her normal 'I didnt nap at nursery so I melt down totally the day after' mode. Figured that maybe my week working gave us a good break from each other. But no. Dd decided that this afternoon was wee and poo everywhere day, despite being well potty trained for quite some time. Ds was melting down loads anyway as he is ill but thankfully was quite still for the point Dd semi encircled him with poop and didn't also need hosing down.

I'm off open my Wine now...

toffeesponge · 12/11/2013 19:39

Thanks all.

DD said she feels the same as at the weekend but DH has looked at her throat and thinks it looks better. Question is do I take her back to hospital tomorrow as told too if she wasn't better?

I am beyond tired. Staying in all day and doing very little just wipes me out.

Not2bObvious · 12/11/2013 19:52

Oh Eat you so deserve the Wine
Sorry to hear of you job troubles Biscuit - hope you get something that suits you, you might be surprised, the old one door closes saying....
FD yesterday ended up bring a pig out, full tdee on a Monday, shameful. Dying with indigestion after eating chocolate today, bit bingey today as well.
Been off reading the inspirational stories, just wow! Something to aspire to

BsshBossh · 12/11/2013 20:04

Cupid as it's your first week I wouldn't fast until Thursday - stick to just two fasts a week for now. But then again you might be fine. I was like you - I found fasts really easy right from the outset and started out with 24 hour fasts. But I've always done 5:2, not 4:3.

Biscuits what a shame about the job, but then again what a good way to leave. Now you're free to move onwards and upwards!

Welcome frenchfemme and any other (?) newbies :)

toffee hope your DD and DS2 get better soon. Enjoy your comforting cheese pie .

Excellent work covered and bennett

BsshBossh · 12/11/2013 20:08

toffee yes take her back just to confirm.

eat you serve Wine. Enjoy!

Lovely NFD today - a good day's productive work, toasted sour cherry sourdough with Camenbert for late breakfast, good session at the gym, roasted veg soup and breaded risotto balls for lunch (my DH made these last night), and we'll be having venison ragu and pasta for dinner later when DH gets home. And tomorrow is another NFD - lovely!

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 12/11/2013 20:09

Ahh Covered lovely post! Well done on almost reaching your Christmas goal. Another for the Inspiration thread.

Well done to you too LeastAccomplished fantastic loss!

BigChoc I did give my build up speech excuses for the wine last week. However, NNN is still on for me. But as I said at start, all bets are off when it's sanity versus indulgence.
Last week I had dodgy tum, then had a normal weekend, yesterday was fd, so today is my first real test. Have to keep reminding myself about NNN! Am thinking about chocolate a lot today! Just had massive bowl of homemade Thai curry so I know I don't need anything. Just want it. A LOT!!! Grin

I say, if you really want some choc, Choc, then have it. Any improvements on normal habits are better than nowt and you've made a start! chocolate junkie

BsshBossh · 12/11/2013 20:09

*deserve

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 12/11/2013 20:25

(First test meaning I didn't have any trouble avoiding the sweet stuff on those days btw)

Bloomin 'eck Eat - I have visions of you sat in a ring of poo and wee rocking backwards and forwards with a bottle of wine! Lol! So glad the pooey days are done here! Though tmi we do get the odd mis-wipe incident up the back and that's bad enough! Shock

HellesBellesThinksSometimes · 12/11/2013 20:39

My word! 19 pages in a week?!

So last week, I took one of TIP's tips and ran with it. I tried to eat for a week at the tdee for my target weight. I ended the week 400 calories over - just over 50 a day so I would put on eight if I ate like that once I get there. I didn't go without and I didn't feel hungry. I went way over once (deep-fried cheeseburger - so bad yet soooo good) and was within plus or minus 100 on the other days.

What I did do was think about what I ate and why. Focussing on eating for nutrition rather than for speed or a pick-me-up or for laziness.

BsshBossh · 12/11/2013 20:44

Helles did you lose weight?

WilsonFrickett · 12/11/2013 20:59

(((biscuits)))

Honestly, you are better off out of there. Onwards and upwards my dear!

DH has just gone out for fish and chips after having a health check phone call for life insurance. He gets sooo stressed about things like that. I feel bad joining him for the fish and chips but heigh-ho. FD tomorrow and I think I will do a mini on Fri as am going to a spa thing with the girls on Fri night. It's all good.

MrsFlorrick · 12/11/2013 21:22

Oh crap. DD seemed to be over her cold so I sent her to school today. At bath time I notice she is breaking out in blisters and spots..... Looks like chicken pox.

Feck. I will have infected half the school by sending her today. Confused Just call me Typhoid Mary!!

DS is just getting a runny nose so he is next.

And as if DH wasn't unhelpful enough he is leaving the country at 6am tomorrow and not back till Saturday morning. He was aboard last week too. I know its work. But it's "work" and lots of jolly attached. GrrAngry

He is skipping around the house saying "how unfortunate" and "bad timing". But he looks relieved. I'm glaring at him with my best angry tired face.

I know its bad timing and he didn't actually give her chicken pox. But still.

I have yet to fully catch up on thread so will be back later.

BsshBossh · 12/11/2013 21:24

Oh MrsF Sad. Do you have any family close by who could stay with you, keep you company, help out with the kids?

MrsFlorrick · 12/11/2013 21:26

Oh and bigchocfrenzy. The reason you called Cuckoo, Cookoo. Is because I have been doing that ever since she joined on here because the arsing autocorrect on my phone insists on it.

Cuckoo. Sorry!!

BigChocFrenzy · 12/11/2013 21:29

Goodness, this thread is busy. Well done Cupid, Itsa and all other FDers, your day shall come - tomorrow, in fact.

Cuckoo I had my rice pud fix (canteen pud, not scraped from my ceiling) at lunch, but no choc. I have not broken the NNN since we started, one week today; I am strong, I shall prevail !
^^

Just back from 2hr training. In CrossFit, as the smallest in the room, my partner was naturally a 6ft 5in muscular guy 25 yrs younger

I thrashed him in abs (my abs are always no.1) and we were even over the sprints and weights. However, pride has its price, which was 60 mins HIIT spin afterwards on totally knackered and aching legs, plus no energy. I am now sprawled on the bed, too exhausted to clean my teeth. Still worth it !
^^

toffeesponge · 12/11/2013 21:33

That sounds awful MrsF. Sad

Tell your dh he is in charge fully the minute he is home and he had better bring back chocolate and presents for all with a takeaway. That's what I would do!

BigChocFrenzy · 12/11/2013 21:35

Oh, poor you MrsF and being left on your own, too.
Sad

BigChocFrenzy · 12/11/2013 21:41

MrsF We are probably both thinking of the Cookoo Smart Watch, and your iPhone keeps autocorrecting because they can connect. I decided a Smart Watch is just too small to be useful for a blind bat like me.

Southeastdweller · 12/11/2013 21:48

xcupid Your finances will be in better shape after a few more months on 5:2 Grin

biscuits Please remember how far you've come with comfort eating. Stay strong and good luck with your job search. Posters on other threads may be helpful in recommending job agencies, if you're willing to be open about your location.

I've discovered a new favourite FD food - cinnamon spice skinny popcorn at 120 cals, just the ticket after a divine miso soup from Itsu.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/11/2013 21:53

Cuckoo, Betsy We can plan the sweet junk orgy we are having at the weekend.
Grin
Oops, we must plan, or we (at least I) will have a frenzy, now forbidden in NNN. If I ate nothin else on Sunday, how much / many chocolate, ice cream, muffin, cookies can I cram into my new 3000 cal limit ...
Hmm