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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 30 - Did half term bingeing make you feel dirty? Then hop on board thread number 30!

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BetsyBell · 07/11/2013 16:09

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
MelanieCheeks · 12/11/2013 12:57

rubbish my favourite NFD breakfasts are:

Scrambled egg in the microwave. Usually one egg, a glug of whites from a carton of 2chicks (available from Sainsburys). Add mushrooms, cheese, spinach, ham, whatever's about.

Porridge. Sometimes with honey, sometimes made into overnight oats with yoghurt and dried fruit and nuts.

Toast. I try to only have this 2-3 times a week, and only one slice of good Burgen bread. I keep it in the freezer. Top with cottage cheese and a smear of marmite, or half an avocado smooshed with lemon or lime juice, or whole peanut butter.

Smoked salmon, trout, or mackerel.

Boiled eggs with asparagus spears for dipping.

Greek yoghurt with berries.

eatriskier · 12/11/2013 12:58

biscuits (((( )))))
Health is always underrated when it comes to jobs. I agree that you're probably better off. Especially with those terms too. Don't be too sad. Turn it into a positive. You now know what you don't want to do.

eatriskier · 12/11/2013 12:59

Oh nfd brekkie. I'm a creature of habit so mine is usually porridge with almond milk, peanut butter and jam with the occasional toasted Warburtons thin with marmite instead.

somewherebecomingrain · 12/11/2013 13:00

My dp has insisted I eat and is out getting soft treats as i type. Oh well I will fast when I fast.

Talkinpeace · 12/11/2013 13:05

(((( Biscuits )))) TBH if they are happy that your CV will say 3 month term contract everybody gains. They can re fill your post with some other poor bugger person and you can go get work.
Not sure of your field, but short term temping can be great as a week here a week there will help you decide what you do and don't like about different situations.

Frenchfemme
Welcome aboard : the Tips and Hints thread is a great resource
as is the recipes thread and here on the big thread you get to join the surfers on the wave of support.

MelanieCheeks · 12/11/2013 13:09

There's also a great "Read me first" thread!

Darn it, I've learned a lesson at lunch today. I'd found these bowls of Mama clear soups with rice noodles, and the nutrition info on the side seemed to indicate that it was around 50 calories for the bowl. Except when I've input it to MFP (and double checked the nutritional details elsewhere online) it's more like 200! And lots of carbs form the rice noodles! How could I have been so foolish.

Oh well, it's not a total write-off FD, I can re-think tonights dinner to ensure I stay under 500 in total. But those carbs are going to wreak havoc with my stomach all afternoon.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/11/2013 13:13

somewhere Frikadelle is a German version of meatball, bigger than Italian.

Talkinpeace · 12/11/2013 13:15

melaniecheeks
you have to be really really careful reading the calories on packets
I always look for the "per 100g" bit as "portions" are often poxy amounts to make the foods look better.
Like my lovely lazy soup pots - the calories on the side are per half pot ....

BigChocFrenzy · 12/11/2013 13:18

somewhere You poor thing, a forced semi-liquid fast. Maybe the tooth fairy will bring you some rice pud as well. Are you allowed
Wine ?

toffeesponge · 12/11/2013 13:23

Hope you get something much better very soon Biscuits.

I must have been up and down those stairs about 15 times already today. Hospital still hasn't rung so hoping that means DD does not have GF. I can tell she still isn't 100% and will have the rest of the week off.

DS2 looking pale but has eaten and now wants to play Game of Life. I can barely keep my eyes open so I said not now but he is still setting it up. TBH If DD hadn't have been so ill I probably would have dosed him with Calpol and sent him in but I felt we needed to be extra cautious.

Definitely doing cheese and potato pie for dinner. Need the warmth and comfort!

Dotty342kids · 12/11/2013 13:47

Been away from here for a few days just due to busy weekend / Christmas shopping day yesterday. No time to do a big catch up but hello to all regulars and newbies Smile
Did not do usual Monday fast due to being out for DH's birthday and shopping trip so fasting today and Thursday instead.
must not eat the leftover lemon birthday cake in the kitchen

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 12/11/2013 13:58

Finding the positive - Toffee you will have BUNS of STEEL with all the trips up and down stairs. Glad dd sounds as though stabilising. Hopefully you're through worst.

BIGCHOC These pants are not only TOO SMALL, but well and truly fire free! ahem! I had a third of a tub of B&J on fri night. That's all. Planned to indulge further over weekend but was content to polish off bag of truffles instead. And I do usually stipulate most/some/a lot of people when giving examples. That and fact that you are the big frenzied exception to the rule anyway! (stirs perfectly made in pan not ceiling rice pudding)

Eatrisky you might have just done it again!...... when you say porridge with peanut butter and jam with the occasional warburtons... did you mean the pb & j on the toast or in the actual porridge???? Shock Shock ....why have I never heard of this Hmm. Jam in porridge yes, but never heard or thought of peanut butter! I am a fraud!! What will you bring me next week (baby bird beak open face)...

Biscuits I agree with all of the above. You are well rid! Look at this exciting chapter you can begin now. Think temp work could be a great way to take the pressure off yourself for a while too, while you get your studies done and take time to really find something that will hopefully not have this effect on you again. Bet you feel relieved! Thanks

Hi FrenchFemme!

eatriskier · 12/11/2013 14:29

cuckoo should have proof read there. Sorry. I either have thins toasted with marmite or I have porridge with pb and jam (normally the porridge) . Yes really, pb in porridge. You don't need as much as you may spread on toast to get the flavour hit, so calories are spared! I know someone who has pb and bananas in his, but I hate bananas Sad Gave me the idea though.

Coveredinweetabix · 12/11/2013 14:31

Hello
Sorry, I've been AWOL for ages (well, a week or so which is a lifetime given how fast this thread is moving). I read through this thread last night and was excited to see so many SV and NSV and to see all of the new comers. Welcome!
Having had a bit of a whinge when I was last on here on 2nd Nov that, on my 2mth anniversary of this WOE I'd only lost 4lbs, I've come back on to remind you (in case you need it) not to get too reliant on the scales. In the week from 2nd - 9th Nov, i lost 3lbs! This brings me down to 10st 9 and I am very excited to think that I weigh less than 150lbs. I'm also looking forward to the next few scale victories as 10st 8 is the weight I was after 3mths of morning sickness with DC1 4.5yrs ago; 10st 7 is what it is; 10st 6 is a healthy BMI for me; 10st 5 will mean I've lost 3 stone & is my pre-Christmas goal.

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl · 12/11/2013 14:45

Just popping in to say how much I love this WOE

Since starting the second week of september I have lost 19lbs!

:-O

BigChocFrenzy · 12/11/2013 15:03

covered So near to your goal, just 4 lb more before Christmas.
Why not join Cookie, Betsy and me on the NNN:
No Naughty November = no alcohol or sweet junk (chox, cake, bix, ice etc) in November except on weekends

cookoo btw, I though it was originally no alcohol at all in November ?

Maybe for the open beak:

  • I crumble 2 squares, about 15g, of Lindt 90% cocoa choc in my porridge and stir until it melts
  • I add pnut butter to my sweet buckwheat groats, or sometimes to my rice pud
eatriskier · 12/11/2013 15:06

Well done covered and bennet

I am not joining nnn I'm afraid. I have a nearly 3yo and a 1yo. I need wine.

CoffeeOne · 12/11/2013 15:08

biscuits sounds like you've had a rough time, but something better is around the corner for you I'm sure.

toffee I hope your DD is better soon.

I expected to wake up feeling starving this morning but I didn't, and in fact I have been more mindful of what I've eaten today so far because I didn't want to undo yesterday's hard work :) Have woken up full of a cold though and toddler DS has a misc rash so we're having a cbeebies day!

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 12/11/2013 15:24

Just been for a run/walk and burned 615 calories. Was good to get some fresh air in my lungs and to burn off this morning McDonalds breakfast It also means that I can up my TDEE to 2000 which is my current weight with exercising 1-3 times a week Grin

Now really worried I wont get another job too easily. The last thing I want is to be out of work for so long that it takes some getting used to working again.

Chocupid · 12/11/2013 15:36

How you doing wanna?
I Was wilting so just caved and eaten some salted peanuts and a Cappachino = 390 cals according to MFP. Shock Got cardio tennis later so will burn some calories then A cuppa soup later.

big choc Betsy and cookies the NNN sounds brutal... But I'm tempted!

somewherebecomingrain · 12/11/2013 15:37

Dp insisted I ate so I have. My legs are looking well skinny so a sort of NSV.

I will get back to fasting eventually.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/11/2013 15:41

I am suffering serious choc withdrawal shakes.
Explains cookoo for cuckoo, sigh.

cuckoo you must really see the vet if you put ? tub B&J back in the fridge. Or is this a penguin masquerading as you ?

somewherebecomingrain · 12/11/2013 15:49

Ps the tooth wasn't like a regular trip to dentist. More like an operation. Too rough to fast. Glad I haven't. Am quite out of it!

somewherebecomingrain · 12/11/2013 15:50

Biscuit why don't you post on the employment topic? You could get some really good advice/shoulders to cry on I bet.

xCupidStuntx · 12/11/2013 16:33

God I've had such am unbelievably stressful day, I'm not usually one to get stressed whatsoever but every single bill seemed to come in the door today. When am I going to start realising they always come at this time every month, I live like a queen for two weeks and a pauper for two weeks aghh!!

Luckily it's a non fast day cos I'm nearly right up at my TDEE, despite hoping to reduce that so I could be a bit more easy going at the weekend.
Would a fast tomorrow be a good idea? I think I might even enjoy it!!

Absolutely loving the inspirational thread, it's really taken the misery out of my day!!

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