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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 30 - Did half term bingeing make you feel dirty? Then hop on board thread number 30!

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BetsyBell · 07/11/2013 16:09

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
MelanieCheeks · 12/11/2013 07:41

FD today and looking forward to it!

Where does one find Heston's Christmas cake?

postmanpatscat · 12/11/2013 08:01

In Heston's cake tin, possibly Melanie? Grin

somewhere hope it's not too horrible, sounds like a good day to fast as you'll not be eating much, surely?

BetsyBell · 12/11/2013 08:11

Waitrose is Heston's supermarket domain melanie - certainly had his Christmas Pudding from there, not sure if he does a cake though.

OP posts:
BetsyBell · 12/11/2013 08:18

sounds like a perfect reason to fast somewhere*! Good luck with it.

OP posts:
BetsyBell · 12/11/2013 08:19

Wonderful post from twinmama on the 5:2 Inspiration thread

OP posts:
toffeesponge · 12/11/2013 08:24

Just a quick post as I am running a hospital here. DD still poorly of course and now DS2 is off school sick.

rubbish - I bought some cream and lost 2 inches off my tummy and possibly firmed up a bit too. It was about £13 but was reviewed by a doctor as working. I will google later to see if I can find it for you.

postmanpatscat · 12/11/2013 08:30

toffee can I send my poorly DD2 round for nursing too? She's 14 and won't look up from her iPad so she's no bother! Hope your little ones are better soon.

toffeesponge · 12/11/2013 08:34

Why not? I can feed the 5000 and will be in all day. Unless the hospital ring with DD's results and she needs to go in .

xCupidStuntx · 12/11/2013 08:59

somewhere I've got the dentist today too, dreading it! My root canal fell out so I've a horrible feeling it's going to be very expensive (I'm in Ireland, total rip off)

biscuits there's nothing worse than going somewherethat makes you so upset everyday, really hope the issues get resolved!!

I woke up feeling so good after my fast, not completely ravenous the way I thought I'd be. I really know this is it!!

Can I just ask how many calories you lot would advice on my non fast days, for maximum weight loss?

annielewis · 12/11/2013 09:04

Hi everyone, FD today for me, had a normal day yesterday and fasted Sunday as well as am sooooo busy its been easy!

toffee hope you and DD are ok, waiting for results is the worst part - I am so impatient!

So many people seem to be dealing with such a lot at the mo - hang in there everyone! This thread is lovely too - I thought it would just be all food/weight stuff but you lot are lovely life support as well!

I am off on a family visit tomorrow to the land of huuuge portions and 'supersize' everything..... am hoping to still be able to stick to this while I am there.

How does everyone try to calculate calories when eating out - and how do you minimise the damage when ordering in the first place? Do you have to become Meg Ryan a la Harry met Sally and order everything with sauce ;on the side' and change everything on the menu? Don't want to sound like a diva ( or draw attention to my eating habits around my size 8 SIL)

Anyway - on with todays FD - anyone else doing today as well??

NotAsTired · 12/11/2013 09:15

cupidstunt you need to work out your TDEE, a link is on the OP of this thread. tip has a formula to work out what you calories you could be eating each day, including a splurge day, but I can never remember it.

NotAsTired · 12/11/2013 09:21

annie. My strategy would be to go out and enjoy your food and not worry too much about calories. Just do a mini fast on that day, eg skip breakfast, light lunch of soup and whatever for dinner. Then take it easy on the calories the next day too.

I'm sure other people have their own special ways of dealing with eating out. Just pick whichever one suits. Smile

rubbishfamily333 · 12/11/2013 09:23

Toffee - yes please let me know when you get a chance and ill have a look. I have your dcs are better soon.

I had toast and peanut butter this morning which I quite like but it didn't make me feel satisfied, it's quite boring really. What does everyone else have on non fast days for a yummy but healthish low calorie breakfast? Stuck for ideas Shock

BeCoolFucker · 12/11/2013 09:43

Question - I had FD yesterday - do people normally do Mon/Weds FD (last week I did Tues/Thurs which worked well) and is this OK? It then seems 'wrong' somehow to have 4 NFD's in a row though I'm assuming this is OK?

Happy fasting to all todays fasters.

BsshBossh · 12/11/2013 09:47

annie I just eat what I want when out but I always try to eat mindfully - that is, put small portions on my plate and try and eat only to satisfaction (these days if I eat too much I get awful stomach ache/cramps and generally feel uncomfortable for the day so that's self-limiting I guess!). If I sense I'm eating loads I just skip a meal later.

Cupid I eat out and socialise on the weekends so always go way over my TDEE. To balance it out I simply undereat my TDEE accordingly on weekdays. Eg my TDEE is 2000 so a typical week may look like this:
Monday FD (these days less than 150 cals)
Tuesday & Wednesday - roughly 1500 cals (though no longer count so just guess at these)
Thursday FD as Monday
Friday - around 2000 cals (TDEE)
Weekend - anything goes!!!

BsshBossh · 12/11/2013 09:48

Forgot to say, I've added my story on the Inspiration thread - including photo.

toffeesponge · 12/11/2013 09:52

rubbish - I have googled loads and can't find it. I read about the cream in the daily mail and iirc it was a silver or white bottle with a dispenser spout.

WannaBeCareerWoman · 12/11/2013 10:01

All right Chock we are in it together! Having a can of Pepsi Max right now.

Biscuit, what somewhere said. But I don't think there is anything bad in looking for a new job if you find something you fancy. May I ask what is it you do?

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 12/11/2013 11:03

BeCool - Welcome to this way of life :)

I still feel a bit like that. But it usually means that by Mon I am more than ready, in fact, looking forward to a fast again.

That's what makes this so doable. Each fd tell yourself 'I can have it tmw'; get through two of those, then relax for few days.

The trick is not to undo all of your good work by being ridiculous on the nfd. But as you will hear a lot of us say, our appetites seem to shrink, food awareness increases and we just can't manage what we used to anyway.

If you find it more reassuring then start recording your cals on a nfd. A lot lot of fasters use mfp. I think a lot have said that after a few weeks it's not needed as much because your brain has re educated itself in terms of portion sizes and calorie content.

Morning All nfd day here. Only thing I'm cutting down on today is coffee breaks posting on here Grin Just had to say Hi though!

Tip - penny dropped about Debenhams comment yesterday. Went for a mooch last night - haven't ventured outside of 5:2 on Mumsnet before! Oooh it's a whole other world isn't it! Made for some 'interesting' reading. Not the calm arena this is, that fo sho!!

Right that's me done for day! Off to crack on got loads to do sneaks into Inspiration thread to read Bssh's post on way out

Frenchfemme · 12/11/2013 11:37

Good afternoon all! Just realised that it is one year today that I first started 5:2 (at 92.4 kg and 168 cms, aged 57).

My long-term aim is to lose about 30kg, and I had lost about 15kg earlier this year when all went a little awry (all the restaurants and cafes opening for the season, lots of chilled rose, fresh crusty bread, croissants etc.). Suffice to say I have put 2kgs back on, and was 79.4 kg this morning.

I am determined to get back on track, and today will be my first fast in quite a while. I have done one Pilates class this morning but have had to miss the 2nd as I have been "volunteered" to pick someone up from the airport. I will just have (strong) black coffee and peppermint tea until this evening, when I am planning a prawn curry. I find for me a lower- carb approach works best, but I couldn't manage the full low-carb "bootcamp".

Sorry some of you are having a tough time at the moment - hope things take a turn for the better soon.

Off to the "Inspirations" thread for some extra motivation!

BeCoolFucker · 12/11/2013 12:04

Thanks Cukoo - I'm logging on MFP for a while. last time I lost significant weight was just using MFP so I know how it works. Sadly that weight found me again all too easily - which is the main reason 5:2 appeals so much. It can be a WOL/WOE.

2000 cal daily is easy to stick to - it's just it's easy to eat 3000 cals too is you take your eye off the ball esp during mince pie season :)

I'm off for a meeting in West End now and taking myself out for lunch enroute - nice treat!

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 12/11/2013 12:24

Well I am now jobless. Dont know if Im happy or sad about that. Obviously Im sad because I dont want to be out of work for many reasons, but cant help feeling a bit relieved it's over now. I have an appointment tomorrow morning with an agency to sign onto their books and tomorrow afternoon I am going to pop into my town (the agency is in another nearby town) to have a look for work. Im also going to be applying for a few online. Really hope it wont be for long.

I left by mutual agreement and I have been told I can use the company for a reference so its not too bad. Ive not been sacked and Ive not walked out. They have also said that it can be looked at as a 3 month contract. After all it was my 3 month probabation where me, my managers and HR all agreed that the job wasn't for me.

The only problem I have now is having FDs while not at work. Its easy to fast at work which is why I started the 5:2. Will see how Thursday goes.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/11/2013 12:34

lunchtime wave
Just had a huge plate of frikadelle, chilli, veg & pots at the canteen, but I had to leave most of the chilli & veg - ridiculous amounts of sugar, like a dessert. Oh well, I added a salad and my big rice pud. I'm just eating pnut butter on sprouted rye, so keyboard getting nutty too.
Grin
cuckoo when you mention shrinking appetites, pls note you do not speak for us all ! Have you lost your taste for [B&J]
Hmm

However, I have decided the NNN will now include no Frenzies, so max 3000 cal on Fri & Sun
Shock Hmm

rubbish Loads of good breakfasts for NFDs.
This morning:

  • eggs & toast, smoked salmon, lemon, toms & philly on toast, big veg juice
Other days:
  • scrambled eggs, mushrooms, toms, (optional) bacon with toast
  • toasted sandwiches: cheese, ham ....
  • cheese fondue & roll
  • oat bran & flaxmeal - just add boiling water and stir until it thickens, then add (almond) milk & berries, optional almonds
- any leftovers, which may mean lasagne or chilli !

Most breakfast cereals are sugary rubbish, but wheatabix or bran flakes are not too bad.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/11/2013 12:44

Biscuits You are well rid of that job; it would have ruined your health.
Very good that you can quote them as a reference, so you have gained something from all that stress. On your CV and at interviews just say it was a 3-month contract.

Can you wait until after your exams, to look for a job as a more qualified person ? If not, check that you can move up to a better pay level when you are qualified.

I hope you find an interesting new job with really friendly colleagues / customers.

somewherebecomingrain · 12/11/2013 12:50

What is frikadelle?

Feel most odd post tooth.

Thanks for your encouragement guys - gonna do a mini fast today if I can. Have had brekkie - butter laden toast with jam on one and Nutella on The other - boy it was good. But if I can not eat till dinner (and after my tooth it can only be soup anyways) I knight be able to come in at under 1000.

biscuit (((()))) hugs. It sounds ok - nothing to stop you forging ahea with your life.

Xxx