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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 30 - Did half term bingeing make you feel dirty? Then hop on board thread number 30!

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BetsyBell · 07/11/2013 16:09

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
postmanpatscat · 11/11/2013 21:42

Big hugs to mrsf toffee and biscuits

well done today's fasters (including me!)

What are the criteria for inclusion on the inspiration thread please? Grin

postmanpatscat · 11/11/2013 21:43

PS cupid corny but true - today is the first day of the rest of your life.

Talkinpeace · 11/11/2013 21:48

postmanpat
having been doing it for several months and really having gt your head around whats needed to never "go on a diet" again Grin
You need to post up your pics .....

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 11/11/2013 21:53

Get on there!!!!! Grin

Can't get enough! Feed us stories. Now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 11/11/2013 22:00

Its just at work. Ive been there only 3 months so not sure what to do. My manager and her manager know and I have a meeting with HR tomorrow. Also my 3 month probationary review (with both management) is tomorrow too. So I have no idea what will happen. Im upset because I really really wanted this job to work out and it hasnt for a number of reasons. I can ditch it once I have another job to go to, which isn't easy, but unless I dont work at all for a bit (not something I want to happen) Im stuck for a while.

BetsyBell · 11/11/2013 22:07

(((Biscuits))) Your job's been difficult since you started hasn't it? I hope your meeting goes well tomorrow or you at least find some strength and positivity to either continue with changes or find something better. x

OP posts:
BetsyBell · 11/11/2013 22:08

PPC pictures aren't mandatory, unless frenchfancy actually is a lovely glossy stallion…

You should definitely post something up please Smile

OP posts:
rubbishfamily333 · 11/11/2013 22:18

Biscuits - sorry to hear things are so bad at work :( but well done on not comfort eating! And well done with your practise exams!

rubbishfamily333 · 11/11/2013 22:21

Just a question for all of you that have lost a lot of weight, did it make your skin (Especially on the belly) loose and saggy?

My belly has always been wobbly and loose since having dd once when I was working out a lot it improved.

Any tips for firming the belly? I read online about firming lotions etc, do any of those work?

I'm thinking exercise and coco butter might help?

wrigglebum · 11/11/2013 22:21

Successful FD here. Tried those Slim Noodles for dinner and they were actually ok. Had prawn laksa, so plenty of flavour to distract from the slightly odd texture. Even my highly sceptical DH was fine with them. I would only bother with them for FDs but I would have them again.

Sorry to all going through a tough time, it's amazing how this thread is about so much more than eating and people get so much support.

BsshBossh · 11/11/2013 22:22

Big hugs to you too Biscuits.

BeCoolFucker · 11/11/2013 22:24

well done wriggle - me too! Good way to start the week!
I've been hungry all day and think about it too much, but am fine now and ready for bed.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/11/2013 22:41

Biscuits Sorry to hear your job is so horrible for you. Well done managing an FD in spite of the aggro.
I hope HR can help your problems and that the training helps you get a job where you are happy. Congrats on a successful practice. Good luck for the real thing.
Flowers and with Cake - for NFD only !

Well done Cupid, Coffee and any other FD virgins !

Thanks Bssh for Channel 5 link. I'll watch Fat this weekend.

Night all

rubbishfamily333 · 11/11/2013 22:46

Anyone planning anything yummy for breakfast tomorrow? Grin

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 11/11/2013 23:05

Something smothered in cheese sauce. Anything! But really, really, really cheesy! Grin

Oh and garlic flat bread. The slightly flaky kind.

And a massive forkful of marinated sundried tomatoes!

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 11/11/2013 23:07

But probably fresh air and coffee as I don't do breakfast usually! Nice thinking about it though (slobber on pillow face)

BsshBossh · 11/11/2013 23:33

rubbish my "breakfast" is likely to be late morning / early lunch and will either be toasted sour cherry sourdough bread with camenbert or deep-fried ricotta balls with soup. Haven't decided which one it'll be yet.

As for loose skin etc - no, none at all (and I'm in my 40s) but that might be down to exercise (specifically weight training).

BsshBossh · 11/11/2013 23:35

Should have added: I've always had excellent muscle tone even at my fattest due to competitative swimming as a child/teen so that has certainly helped minimise loose, flabby skin.

WannaBeCareerWoman · 12/11/2013 07:11

Biscuits my last job was exactly like that - it started the same way. It's shit, let me know if you ever want to talk. I cannot believe you managed an FD though - I'd be all tea and biscuits!

MrsFlorrick, I thought of you as I watched the Good Wife last night!

I haven't got very far. I had one successful FD, then two botched ones, and I almost gave up. Any slightest emotional upset sends me off tracks. My mum left yesterday after a month with us and I was crying and of course went off the tracks. So much so that I opened Heston's Christmas cake Shock. On a positive side, it was good, I can thoroughly recommend it.

THis morning DS woke me up at 5, which makes it a 5 hour night, WAY too little for me. I was again prepared to pack it in but decided to stop being silly and harden up. I have 0 willpower.

But now I filled in my food diary and will try and stick to it. Anyone else on FD? I'll try and do today and tomorrow.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 12/11/2013 07:19

All it's a new day, hopefully a better one. Either way it's a day where I can eat something naughty if I want to, though the problem I find (as I'm sure many of you do too) is that I will have "just the one", but then I want more. It's easier to abstain I think.

Can I apply for another job after only being in this one 3 months?

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 12/11/2013 07:20

Also thanks everyone for the support. Thanks

Chocupid · 12/11/2013 07:25

Wanna I'm in the same boat! had very little sleep (not child related tho) so very tired, but am determined to have a successful FD today, have only had 2 successful FD in the last month...
Need to get my head back in the game as my weight is creeping back up!

rubbishfamily333 · 12/11/2013 07:34

Bssh - I did read online that weight training is good for tightening skin, but when I so weights classes they don't seem to do a lot for the belly! Although I know when I was doing a lot weights in body pump type classes that's when my belly was at its best. Grin

somewherebecomingrain · 12/11/2013 07:36

biscuits is there a bully at your workplace? Or is the job just a bad fit? If the latter no one should be making you feel bad about it. I've been there hon and come out the other end - pm me if you want. The exams sound great.

FD fail yesterday. Piggy dp at home with me so its poss another half term for me.

Gotta go dd crying.

somewherebecomingrain · 12/11/2013 07:38

Can't fast today as going to hosp to have tooth out

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