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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 30 - Did half term bingeing make you feel dirty? Then hop on board thread number 30!

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BetsyBell · 07/11/2013 16:09

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
Donkeyok · 11/11/2013 11:50

HI Cookoo yes I'm addicted to a large costa latte

I thought I wasn't allowed milk and should save my calories for food.

Luckily I found a liquorish and peppermint tea bag I picked up from some hotel.
(back of pantry)
it tastes a bit weird but maybe its meant to

Im going to make a coffee now ...
Oh its nearly 12 goody

Donkeyok · 11/11/2013 11:51

Eatriskier your photos are so inspiring

BsshBossh · 11/11/2013 11:55

I am working in my study wearing my gym kit, thermals, long-sleeved ti-shirt and my dressing gown. I am freezing. I must buy some fingerless gloves. I love working at home but right now would kill to be working in a heated office surrounded by warm bodies.

Talkinpeace · 11/11/2013 12:04

A happy and busy thread
for those who've been lurking at the fun on the Debenhams thread

I have no problem supporting UTTERLY those who have become large and are willing to recognise that they need to make changes to have a healthy long life.

I have a mahoosive problem with people who refuse to accept that being overweight will do them long term harm ....

and an article in New Scientist this week saying that fit people get Alzheimers and dementia four years later than unfit and overweight people is even more motivation.

Fasting today.
Drank enough water last evening to not wake up with the crashing hangover I deserved.

postmanpatscat · 11/11/2013 12:18

Survived the morning, now on Brew#3. I am freezing too, heating not working in school so my wooden box classroom was one of the warmest places on site yet I'm still cold! 2kg of my 2.5kg holiday gain had gone after a week at home so I'm pleased with that.

Well done to today's fasters, especially if you've made it this far on liquids only. I wish I'd brought one of my 40cal hot choc sachets in today!

eatriskier you are an inspiration and we are realists so we'll cope with your amazing achievements - go on, you know you want to! Makes my 2st pale into insignificance (except that I can't lose any more without being

BigChocFrenzy · 11/11/2013 12:31

wave
I'm FDing today, so a big hi to the Monday gang.

Am I the laziest on this thread ? I'm drinking beef cosomme cold and straight out of the tin to save any washing up
Blush
Donkey A full 400g tin has only about 12 cals (check label) and I find it very filling. You don't have to be a lazy cow can heat it and have 2 separate mugs or a big bowl.

WildWater Wonderful to hear the difference 52 has made to you
[flowers}
Welcome Polly, Moving , xCpiud You'll like it here.
Not2B Chin up. Don't let the awkward b@@s get you down. Well done for not diving into chocolate comfort.

Cuckoo Great knickers NSV !
Those you have to replace asap, or wear jeans, because ladies should avoid dropping their knickers mid-stride in the town !

Right, back to work, now. I'll drop in again later.

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 11/11/2013 12:31

Donkey (fat fingers on iPhone keep typing Dinkey - maybe it's a sign - you will be dinky if you stick it out :))

You can spend your calories on anything you like. The advice and tips on here are just to help you based on others experiences. You do what's right for you though - only way it will work long term.

I'm not normally a milky coffee drinker, but I found last week that when I tried it (was experimenting but that's whole diff story) anyway! When tried it, it was lovely and filling. I preferred half boiling water/half hot milk. Think 130g milk in mug was 60 cals.

Eat I would like to think that in general peeps are sensible enough to recognise that we are all different. I think the variety of stories/results on here would reinforce that notion. And there is the hint if "It could be you!" with the freaky results like yours Grin

Maybe start with a disclaimer, and occasional reminder throughout thread, that We are all different, don't expect to lose as quickly as others etcetera.

I have yet to hear of anybody who has NOT lost weight doing this woe/wol. Who actually had weight to lose in first place I should add paranoia of no doubt upsetting someone kicks in! So all examples should be listed.

We could stick your face at top, pointing to your pics saying "It could be you!" Grin

I'm motivated just thinking about it!

BigChocFrenzy · 11/11/2013 12:32

WildWater Flowers

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 11/11/2013 12:39

Bssh I have to keep moving on a fd. Our house is freezing - no central heating. I also find if I'm having a work/study day I just want to nibble all day long. Stops me falling asleep on laptop!

Putting up shelves today. Oh yeah! I have turned house into building site with all my 'projects' but I'm losing weight so the residents will just have to like or lump it! Grin

PoshPaula · 11/11/2013 12:39

So far today - one tea, one coffee, (no sugar), one Nescafe Skinny Mocha. Am at work. Will get myself a cuppa-soup in a minute.

STARVING but it doesn't matter....!!!

Thanks to everyone for supportive comments and extending my support to all you lovely people. Think how good we will feel by Christmas! (Slim and fit)..

Moving2fast · 11/11/2013 12:41

Decided not to 4:3 this week but 5:2 and really count the cals on non fast days. Weighed the portion of crisps I would normally have with lunch and they were 500 cals!!! Although am a seasoned dieter, I seem to think crisps are calorie free!

So sticking to my TDEE and counting everything I eat.

Talkinpeace · 11/11/2013 12:49

Cuckoo
There are definitely people who do not lose weight on 5:2 - Mintyy stuck it out for months. Her DH lost loads, she lost zilch.
As part of all of us being different, some people are heavily built. Fact of life. They will never, ever be slim. BUT they are around 1/20 to 1/30 of the population, not 40%
What 5:2 can do for those people is help them to have a healthy body with stable blood chemistry - which will keep them healthier for longer.

eatriskier · 11/11/2013 12:57

tip You've lost some weight but have mainly done this for health benefits right? I know B&W is seeing the health benefits in his tests, but he has also lost weight. Have we got anyone who hasn't lost weight particularly but has some evidence of health benefits? Because that would also be a very great story.

Donkeyok · 11/11/2013 12:57

Dinky ok Grin

Chocs I didn't know soups could be so cheap (in terms of calories)

I've really enjoyed my lunch, in fact I took a photo so I can work the calories out properly later, as I'm inclined to say there are no caloreis in salad.[sic]
Im actually feeling bursting I don't know if my stomach has shrunk in anticipation. Feeling so please with myself Im going to drag dh out for a hill walk in the wind and rain haha

Talkinpeace · 11/11/2013 13:00

eatriskier
I lost a stone that had crept on last year .... 5:2 was the revelation that I can be healthy and enjoy life.
DH has lost nearly 2 stone - his mother dying suddenly of a stroke was the motivator for both of us - he still has more to lose.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/11/2013 13:04

Eat, Betsy, Cuckoo : A "Rogues Gallery" showing before / after pix or statistics - "have you seen this woman" - would be useful to newbies and inspiring to all.
Maybe we could assemble a summary Excel table of everyone with columns say for Name / Start BMI / End BMI / Lost lbs / Weeks taken.

You can take my statistics as the cautionary slow and give these reasons:
Mature age, healthy starting BMI (23) after maintenance from Spring 10lb loss, frequent Big Choc Frenzies

My 4-week wi this morning : 3.5 lb lost and jeans seem very slightly looser around waist and hips. I'm quite satisfied with this progress, because it is a longterm WOL for me.
Checking my records: I have one 4500 cal Frenzy and one 3000-cal NFD per week,remaining NFDs about TDEE.
It shows how tolerant this WOL is. If I really plateau, I would reduce Frenzies

Note: I hadn't checked my daily cals before this October, but I think I am eating about the same (just more healthily) on FDs as pre-5:2.
So, this explains weight gain after age 50: changed hormones not so tolerant of gluttony.

CoffeeOne · 11/11/2013 13:08

It's horrid out today isn't it!

Day one going well so far. It's 1pm and only had 2 cups of green tea and some water. The hardest part was making the toddler his lunch, but the hunger came and went quickly. I'm actually only mildly peckish. In fact, I'm actually enjoying this. I'm sick of food ruling my day. My body is probably very very grateful for the break!

eatriskier · 11/11/2013 13:25

Ok, I've done it. I've probably missed something important out but the Inspirational Stories thread now exists:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/fasting_diet/1908144-The-Inspirational-5-2-Thread?msgid=42911392#42911392

wrigglebum · 11/11/2013 13:38

Well done eatriskier, I'll add my details and stats when I get a chance.

somewherebecomingrain · 11/11/2013 14:16

Hello all.

cuckoo milky coffee is a saviour for me. I'm on the verge of caving and it just whisks away my appetite.

bigchoc beef consommé - making a note.

I'm fasting today. Have had some of dd's porridge fingers a milky coffee and some chicken breast. 100 cal or so. I hope!

I find little mouthfuls keep me going. They seem very significant on a FD.

I suspect it's bad practice.

BeCoolFucker · 11/11/2013 14:28

FD - gee I was hungry before lunch, but felt fine about it.

I had a whole pot of M&S Souper Greens Soup which was suitably warming and steamy, with a side salad of watercress/rocket/spinach. Total approx 280 cals

So I'm now very warm and feeling green!

xCupidStuntx · 11/11/2013 14:32

Day 1 going really well so far!! Strangely enough I'm not feeling hungry so I wonder should it be OK ty just have a 500cal "feast" this evening?
I'm worried that having something even though I'm not remotely hungry might end up getting me starving?

Have taken my horrendous before picture and measurements, usually I wouldn't bother when starting a new venture because I don't really believe I'll do it, this time I actually do!!!

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 11/11/2013 14:34

Tip was Minty genuinely sticking to tdee on nfd and had actual fat to lose?

I am amazed!

I know we're all built differently underneath, but I just presumed that excess fat was loseable (?).

As you say though, the health benefits are enough in themselves. I have never dieted before in life. Cut out crap yes, tried to exercise more yes, tried to eat less in general. But never an official diet. I find it too hard to stick to when I'm told I can't have something. Add to that diets are also every single day efforts, and I fail before I start.

However the difference with fasting is all the other benefits it brings. Due to where I am emotionally/mentally in my life, and given the number of health issues I've increasingly had since weight gain, I have been on a mission to improve general health. Hence cutting back booze, really trying to improve mental state because apart from the obvious hell that it is, stress also has such a knock on affect on body.

I'm so scared of leaving my dd too early and putting her through some of hell I've had in life. Mental health issues are in the genes so she's potentially got her work cut out already! That was my biggest motivation. I gave up on myself when the depression kicked in. Thought I didn't care. But since quite literally clawing my way back to land of living, I want to fight for it! I want to be healthy and hang around for as long as poss (to annoy everyone :) )

Losing weight to look good is the perk of that, that comes with it. And now I'm starting to realise just how much I want that too. I do deserve it. Life isn't over just because things went to shit for a long time. I will be slim. I will be healthy. I will be happy. I WILL BE ONE HOT MAMA! One day. Maybe.

.....err what were we talking about?!?.....
Wink

(dismounts soapbox and scuffles off to read Eat's shiny new thread)

Talkinpeace · 11/11/2013 14:41

To the best of my knowledge Mintyy did it by the book. And the fact that her DH lost weight implies that the meals were sensible sizes. She still posts and occasionally pops in. The health reasons were why she kept going for so long.

Some people are big : chap at my gym is really fit, great at lots of sports does not eat too much but is solid and rather round. If the PTs could have got him to lose weight (he works there) they would have done over the last 12 years. However because he eats good stuff and keeps his cardio system in great shape he will be one of the exceptions to the "leaner is healthier" rule.

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 11/11/2013 14:54

WOW!!!!! Eat just looked at your more recent slim pic and you look AMAZING!!

As somebody with back issues - did you find the hula hooping caused any aggravation?

Love the thread! Can't wait to read other's stories.

Tip I guess most people will already have an inkling about their build. Was going to use the silk purse, sows ear analogy but that sounds too much like an insult! The point being - we are what we are. If we can get to our leanest achievable (whatever that may be) and reap all the other wonderful health benefits, then job done!