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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

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BetsyBell · 07/11/2013 16:09

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

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eatriskier · 11/11/2013 15:20

Cuckoo I was a little worried about it but you sort of build it up slowly because most people can't hoop well to start with. I can do a good 10 mins both ways now and its not caused me an issue yet.

rubbishfamily333 · 11/11/2013 15:24

Hey eveyone.

Well after sticking to my tdee all weekend I wasn't most pleased to see my weight was 10.7.4 this morning Confused
I know last Monday I was 10.10 but after my two fast last week I got down to 10.5.6!

Oh well still carrying on but I am a very impatient one Grin

CoffeeOne · 11/11/2013 15:27

Cupid - it's my first day too and that's my plan. Not eaten anything yet so having 500cals for an evening meal :) good luck!

PoshPaula · 11/11/2013 15:30

somewhere do you mind me asking - what are porridge fingers? They sound great. I love nursery food though..

MrsFlorrick · 11/11/2013 15:49

Arse Angry. Epic FD fail. Just had chocolate swirl and pumpkin latte in starfucks. Argh.

I was out with DC - both are off school and pre-school due to coughs/colds and not sleeping well. So I have endured a whinathon since 6:30am with both having been up 4 times each last night. Hmm

The whining got to me so I fell face first into junk. Blush

I had hoped to be past this point but apparently not. I am incredibly tired and body is screaming out for fat and carb to keep going.

Perhaps I should learn to reschedule FDs when DC have been up half the night.

Wanted to murder DH this am. He woke me up at 6 asking me inane questions about some electrical connection lead we apparently need.

I was so mad at him. Not once did he help out during the night save for the one time he actually slightly woke to turn over and say "oh for fucks sake"! He is such an arse.

Can you all tell I am the tired crazy lady today Smile

Hope you're all doing better than I am.

PoshPaula · 11/11/2013 15:53

Get back on the programme tomorrow (or the next day). You needed a treat today. Don't feel bad about it. This WOE allows you that.

PoshPaula · 11/11/2013 15:53

Sorry that message was to mrsflorrick.

BetsyBell · 11/11/2013 16:01

eat you superstar Flowers - I can add my slow and steady stats! I lost 18lbs in 18 weeks and since then maintained.

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Twinmama32 · 11/11/2013 16:08

Ha ha betsy I haven't been keeping it quiet so much as not really believing it to be true myself!!
Grin

eatriskier · 11/11/2013 16:11

mrfF you have my sympathies. I have one who is ill and driving me insane. Refusing to sleep and whining. That's bad enough. If I'd ended up going out I may have joined you in the head-in-junk.

Breadandwine · 11/11/2013 16:12

Hi folks

This (these) thread(s) just keep(s) getting better and better. Lots of friendly new faces adding to the mix - I love it!

I always read with a smile on my face! (Except when I hear about horrible customers - they're one reason I always try to be extra nice to people.) When I renewed my car insurance just now, I found out the bloke I spoke to, Paul, had been back to his native SA recently for a holiday, had a brother in NZ and was a father of two young children!

BTW, I got £40 off the insurance just by mentioning that another company had offered a lower quote - true - "I'll just put you through to the re-quoting department" was the more or less automatic response. So never renew any insurance without trying your luck getting another quote! Grin

eatriskier I'll stick something on your lovely thread later - when I began 5:2 21 months ago I didn't think I had any weight to lose. Whereas in fact I lost 22lbs - without even trying!

Talkinpeace · 11/11/2013 16:15

MrsFlorrick
NOT a FD fail - a perfectly normal NFD as your fast day is now another day!

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 11/11/2013 16:29

MrsF I do hope you are planning revenge on dh. Always best served cold. Wait until appropriate moment and return the waking favour. we'll hatch evil plan to keep us warm on fd

Having a longterm lifestyle such as this, means that on these shittiest of days, it is perfectly ok, in fact essential to survival, that you shove yourself head first into whatever gets you through the day!! Hope you have a better night tonight Cake

BetsyBell · 11/11/2013 16:43

twinmama but how have you not noticed that you've been tripping over all the time because your trousers are now so big they keep falling down…?

When you've got time please put your fab results on eat's new thread, you need to shout it loud!

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Takingnoprisoners · 11/11/2013 16:54

After lots of procrastinating I have begun today doing 5:2 it is my first fast day and I am starving! Had some soup and ryvitas and two small plums so far and will have lots of veg later. Can cope with feeling hungry now but bit worried I won't be able to sleep very well, how do others manage this?
Also did an ocado order and saw on there eat slim noodles and rice so have ordered some, anyone else tried these? They sound almost too good to be true!

Talkinpeace · 11/11/2013 16:56

takingnoprisoners
tea / coffee / hot drinks are your friend.
Stay warm and hydrated and a big plate of veg will see you through fine.

Twinmama32 · 11/11/2013 17:00

Yes my trousers did fall down but I just thought they were old and I'd stretched them because I was so fat! Also wearing leggings a lot doesn't help as they're stretchy so you just don't notice Blush old habits die hard as I still massively cover up when I don't need to now so I constantly 'hide' myself, but that's slowly improving with each new piece of clothing purchased!

Yes I'll post my stats etc later tonight, would've loved a thread like that at the beginning as I was constantly trawling this thread for such stories!

Fd today going great. Actually does anyone have this 'issue' on fd... I feel soooo ok not eating that sometimes I think I accidentally have eaten something?! I have to wrack my brains to think if I have eaten and I never have! I'm risking it and having gnocchi tonight for dinner as I really want what dp is having, on with a tomato based sauce tho so about 575 cals so ill be about 650 cals today. Never mind, found it doesn't seem to make much difference as long as I save it in the week.
Good luck fasters, days nearly over!!

BetsyBell · 11/11/2013 17:22

bigchoc What does one of your 4000 calorie frenzies actually look like? I'm intrigued.

Whenever you post up about a massive calorie intake I always mentally put in a disclaimer to myself "she's spent about 25 hours in the gym this week, that's how she can get away with it. Don't think you can do the same Betsy with your paltry 20 mins of running or a few miles cycling this week" Grin (Do you spent 35 hours in the gym?)

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Talkinpeace · 11/11/2013 17:34

Betsy
Mine yesterday involved a large amount of stilton, parma ham, cheddar, wine, more wine, roast beef, yorkshire pud, roast potatoes

CoffeeOne · 11/11/2013 17:35

It's hit me! I'm SO hungry. Meal is in the oven, hurry up and cook!

BetsyBell · 11/11/2013 17:45

Tip Hmm, and my disclaimer for you is "she spends x hours in the gym/pool and only eats 3 calories in the week" Wink

That's my kinda calorie blowout though I don't think I can manage a full roast and lashings of cheese except at Christmas

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Not2bObvious · 11/11/2013 17:53

Well I'm afraid my FD is twisting towards a mini fast. Too tired, a bit too low after the weekend and a bit emoti

Not2bObvious · 11/11/2013 17:54

Emoti

Not2bObvious · 11/11/2013 17:57

I think I have a technical stutter... Sorry folks. Not a great day but that's the way it goes. It's going to be a 1200 cal day I reckon. Comfort food tonight, sausage and chips Grin
MrsF I was woken twice by kids, nowhere near as bad as your night but I wouldn't kick myself at all if you went off plan today, some days just don't work.
Great flexibility with this, so no big deal

xCupidStuntx · 11/11/2013 18:03

coffee glad your about to get fed Grin
Not long after I posted I had tuna, sweetcorn and a little lighter than light mayo, 204cals so I have just under 300 for this evening, planning on having stir fry veg with some Mayflower curry sauce (I know it's not the most healthy option but it's yum!)