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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 30 - Did half term bingeing make you feel dirty? Then hop on board thread number 30!

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BetsyBell · 07/11/2013 16:09

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

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BsshBossh · 11/11/2013 09:42

Wow, lots of posts and a fair few newcomers! Welcome one and all, and well done all the SVs and NSVs.

Special hi to xCupid (and nitrox are you lurking?).

FD for me too today. My digestion is looking forward to a much needed respite from food today.

duckyfuzz · 11/11/2013 09:46

Cuckoo congrats on the big knickers Grin
Eatriskier your pics are amazing Envy

BeCoolFucker · 11/11/2013 09:48

Good morning all - gosh this is a busy thread.

This morning after a full week of 5:2 I weight 1.8kgs less that I did last Monday so Hip Hip Hooray me!! It is very encouraging and I feel good.

FD today - last week I did Tues/Thurs, but I feel like a FD today so I'm going to go with it.

Despite jumping on the scales this morning, I have been thinking about not weighing myself, or not weighing myself very often moving forward. I have a lot of weight to lose to get towards a healthy BMI and I don't want to be too tied into the weekly numbers and the emotional response I have to them. Going down is fantastic - whereas not going down (for whatever reason but it happens at least once a month) isn't great and can undermine things.

As a lifelong (46 years) overeater I need this as a WOL plan - frankly even if it just means the numbers don't go up that is a success for me.

I want to just go with 5:2 - as a WOL not a 'diet' and therefore the numbers are kind of irrelevant, though of course I do hope they go down.

Anyone out there disconnected from the scales, or weighing themselves infrequently? I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.

Congrats to all you losers - let's have a fantastic week ahead.

BeCoolFucker · 11/11/2013 09:49

eatrisker fantastic photos!!! I must make a note to measure myself tonight!

PoshPaula · 11/11/2013 09:56

Fellow Monday fasters please rally round. I sense it may be a tough one today!

BeCool - I weigh myself once a week only. That's after my second FD. For years I purposefully didn't have a set of scales as I became a slave to them, and now I use them carefully.

Junebugjr · 11/11/2013 10:02

BeCoolFucker - I only weigh and measure every 4 weeks. As If I see a small loss or staying the same, I think fuck it, then binge. Once I hit a healthy BMI , it'll be every six weeks. I find I don't obsess so much, and just get on with the job in hand. Different things work for different people, some have to weigh every week, as they need that encouragement, it sends me bonkers, I'd be on the scales all bloody day.
cuckoo - well done on smaller drawers!

xCupidStuntx · 11/11/2013 10:06

Hi bssh and thanks so much for getting me over here!! Serious amount of support here Shock

Going out to buy a measuring tape now (I refused to own one before!) and the dreaded before picture!!

When DD goes for her nap later I'm going to watch the horizon documentary, I'm wondering why I never tried this before!!

CoffeeOne · 11/11/2013 10:09

Thanks for all the welcomes and motivation, well done all of you! eatrisker you look fantastic!

Today is my first FD. I am feeling inspired! Happily skipped breakfast, I've never been a big breakfast fan really. I'm thinking I will try to wait until my evening meal and have all 500 then. Drinking some yummy peach green tea to help Brew good luck everyone else today.

Donkeyok · 11/11/2013 10:11

Hi all, its my first day of fasting and I haven't shopped for this.
Although that might be a good thing I dont have any of those lovely looking soups for 200c.

Ive eaten an apple before I took the kids to school but am know wondering whether to have porridge with water (yuck I think?) or eat my salad/ hummous lunch for breakfast?

Any ideas?

BeCoolFucker · 11/11/2013 10:18

Junebugjnr Yes I think I will try monthly. Like you said at small loss or gain can trigger negative behaviour in me too, which I would like to avoid.
Weekly is too much I feel.

PoshPaula · 11/11/2013 10:18

donkeyok step away from the porridge (you don't really want it, do you?) and have salad/hummus for lunch at mid-day. It'll soon come around! Then you'll be fine right through to your evening meal.

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 11/11/2013 10:35

Donkey if you're feeling hungry why don't you try having a nice hot drink or some more water? Give it 15 mins see how you feel. Hunger comes in waves, but it WILL go again; it won't continue to get worse and worse.

If you want to do this woe, at some point you will have to deal with ignoring hunger pangs. A lot of us find that eating/eating bulk of cals early in day makes it harder as it can open the munchie floodgates. Eating carbs ie porridge can also cause same probs and cost lot of cals. I agree with posh - try to get to lunchtime. Just ride it out, you'll survive Grin Have a Brew

Donkeyok · 11/11/2013 10:37

Thank PoshPaula

The thought of water lumpy porridge with no honey is nearly as bad as the idea of cleaning the pan.

I'm doing Fly lady at the moment to distract me.
I'm cleaning cobwebs off the ceiling with a showercap on my head in case anything nasty falls down. Shock(we have lots of beams)
Can lunch start at 11.30am?

Donkeyok · 11/11/2013 10:39

Thanks Cookcoo I'll put the kettle on.

Black tea doesn't appeal much I need to go shopping for some yummy herbals like Cupid.

toffeesponge · 11/11/2013 10:47

Stay strong PoshPaula.

It is freezing here. My water has no pressure so can't get DS2's bedding washed. Heating has gone off so going to get another jumper and not think about the gammon in the fridge. Don't want anything to eat except for a piece of the meat Confused.

Blowing a gale too.

Not2bObvious · 11/11/2013 10:49

FD here, struggling a bit. Already dealt with a difficult customer who quite frankly intimidates/scares me. Felt a bit tearful, and wanted to march straight to a bar/slab of chocolate.
But I didn't, going for a brisk walk in 90 mins, followed by lean lunch. Feel low though Sad, hoping fresh air will help. Best of luck fellow fd'ers and welcome de-lurkers

BetsyBell · 11/11/2013 10:57

More lovely new people! Hello!

I was just looking through my old food diary spreadsheet from last year and saw these words in my notes:

NO SNACKING

Chanelling tip before these threads even existed! Grin

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BetsyBell · 11/11/2013 11:03

eatriskier I was thinking we should have an Inspiring Stories thread on the 5:2 forum that we could link to in the OP - would you consider starting it up? I feel like you're our 5:2 poster girl (just seen your new pic WOW!). I would do it but my story is a little tame compared to your epic 6 month loss and I love the fact it's all been on 5:2.

Fast day here. Just got it from an epic windy cycle, had a big glass of water and now chugging down coffee before work.

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BetsyBell · 11/11/2013 11:12

Just reading through the thread - twinmama WoW! See, another AMAZING story for the potential Inspiring Stories thread, incredible - well done and how quiet have you kept that! I'd have been shouting it from the rooftops! Flowers

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CuckooAtchooUhOh · 11/11/2013 11:22

Grrrr! at Not2be customer Angry

Don't let the bastards out there get you down. Chin up! You are not going to let anyone get in way of becoming the new (happier) you! It's just a job. They are just people who don't matter to you. Not important in the grand scheme of things. WHEREAS this woe/wol and getting the body/health you want IS important.

I think that is a BRILLIANT idea Betsy. And I think anyone who has been at this a long time, hit target weight, or shifted large amount would all be of interest to rest of us.

As a person who wants to continue this woe for life, I am just as interested in long timers as I am in the biggest losers. It all motivates and reassures.

I LOVE COFFEE! Coffee is my friend on a mon fd morning! Nearly midday. Keep going going Campers!!

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 11/11/2013 11:27

Donkey are you not a milk drinker?? Coffee drinker?

If are was going to recommend a milky coffee or half and half. Is very filling and satisfying.

If not try Tetley Redbush. I find it really soothing and naturally sweet.

WilsonFrickett · 11/11/2013 11:39

Hi all!

How's the Monday fasting going? I've just had a cup of miso earlier than planned, but everything feels a bit grim and grey here so it was more to warm me up than anything else. I am going to do actual work for an hour then have some veggie curry for lunch, chicken puttanesca from the 5:2 recipe book for tea (with some rice for DH).

I usually like a glass of wine on a Sunday with Downton but am trying hard to kick or at least modify the habit, so last night I had two skinny white russians - baileys with almond milk and ice. OMG! Sooooooooo good. Thanks to whoever gave the recipe (not good at remembering poster names) Thanks

duckyfuzz · 11/11/2013 11:45

cuckoo I"m a coffee fiend, keeps me going!
wilson the skinny white russian sounds gorgeous, must try it!
so far today - 3 coffees and a cup of tes (for variety) and half an hour spent standing freezing at the war memorial as DTs' class was wreath laying. Planning on nice warm tomato & basil soup for lunch (120 cals) then omelette and salad this evening

eatriskier · 11/11/2013 11:45

Betsy I would love to but I worry sometimes that I send out the wrong message. This is meant to be a slow sustainable weight loss and there I am rapidly losing it, and I don't want any newbies coming along and thinking that that's how it should work for them. If that makes any sense. Unless we have some tortoises who could totally temper my hare down and could join in!

eatriskier · 11/11/2013 11:46

Ohh, I finally got my sample of the douse egberts flavoured coffee. I'm drinking it now (the caramel version). Its yummy yummy. I think its going to become a fast day treat.