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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 Thread Number 23: Summer's really here - time to melt off those extra pounds!

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BetsyBell · 08/07/2013 22:49

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing back through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
EagleRiderDirk · 12/07/2013 21:57

aka May work differently to you but I knew at the start I had to treat this like a diet. It was the only way I'd stick to it. Only after a while when I was in the swing did I start realising what I could eat with my calories and that I could have these treats with no detrimental effect as long as I picked one vice. Maybe, if you're really desperate to lose, try going back to MFP and think "diet" (though dieting with 1830 calories is wonderful - that's my TDEE btw, not sure about yours obviously)

Talkinpeace · 12/07/2013 22:04

((((Aka)))))

A quick bit of background to my motivation.
I did not lose weight to feel better or any of that crap.
I lost weight because I was told categorically by an orthopaedic surgeon that I face major surgery on both knees (total replacement) unless I got my ass in gear and lost weight.
For every pound I lose I save a day a month of unbearable pain (I'm now at one per year)

I hate the logging sites, with a will
BUT even at my heaviest was BMI 23.8
so knew what sensible eating felt like

TBH
anybody who has gone over BMI 25 EVER
has to use MFP to relearn quantities
and if you are not losing, you still need MFP
sad / boring I know, but worth it long term ...

BsshBossh · 12/07/2013 22:14

aka I'm like Eagle - I am quite mindful of what I eat on NFDs. Today I had cake for breakfast (!) but I had a small lunch and a small dinner (followed by ice cream!) so I adjusted my day. But I certainly don't feel deprived.

BsshBossh · 12/07/2013 22:19

And I agree aka with TiP ref. MFP - I logged for a year cause at BMI 36 I obviously had no clue what normal looked liked. Now I know so I don't log (BMI 24 and going down) and can adjust my eating instinctively.

BsshBossh · 12/07/2013 22:21

At the end of the day weight loss is all about calories in vs calories out.

akarucker · 12/07/2013 22:38

I know you're absolutely right, and I must get over it! My TDEE is 2000. If I can't manage that, then I must log onto mfp. I know exactly what 2000 cals looks like, (years of dieting - I could write the book of calories!) but that's not really the problem. If I don't write it down or log it, then I can just pretend it doesn't count or didn't happen. That's what must stop.

It's encouraging to know that several of you used to track cals but now don't need to. And yes, I suppose I am going to have to change my mindset, at least for the time being, that I am on a diet! Sad

EagleRiderDirk · 12/07/2013 22:43

aka I always used to maintain that if it didn't have nutritional info on the pack it contained no calories Wink. I started with a BMI of 36 though, so that obviously wasn't right hehehe

Southeastdweller · 12/07/2013 22:46

Hi all. 1.5lbs off this week so my weight loss now is 33lbs since the end of Jan. Now at a BMI of 21 and don't want to weigh any less but need to start doing weights and yoga a.s.a.p so not quite at a personal goal, iyswim. Going to continue 5:2 for a month or so then go on 6:1 (the prospect of which feels rather scary!).

I've two appointments tomorrow so combined with the very hot weather I think I may as well fast - anyone with me?

aka Have you thought about just not buying so much crap? Hope I don't sound patronising.

akarucker · 12/07/2013 22:48

Right then! As of tomorrow, I am on a diet! I know that goes against the whole ethos of this thread, but it may just work for me, for a while. I go on holiday in exactly two weeks, so surely I can do two weeks on a 'diet'! Starting...........NOW!

akarucker · 12/07/2013 22:51

southeast your comment just made me lol and snort my tea through my nose! Sounds so simple when you put it like that!

SoTiredAgain · 12/07/2013 22:54

Bssh. Did you enjoy your perfect Victoria sandwich? Smile

Talkinpeace · 12/07/2013 22:56

aka
gissa hug and please do not call it a diet
because diets have success / fail goal / fail built into them
I coulnae gissa shite if your target is 0.25 lb below your current
because targets are not the long term issue

healthy eating is

AND
if you hit a target and find it easy and go past, wahey
I'm 5/5 and currently toying towards 8 stone - my 9 stone pic is public
YOU can look better and younger than me ...

Lizzabadger · 12/07/2013 23:22

Sixth fast day down.

Aka - I can totally relate to not wanting to feel deprived. Would substituting healthier snacks help (e.g. Fat free popcorn for crisps, soleros for ice-cream)?

postmanpatscat · 13/07/2013 08:01

morning all

Some great losses yesterday, well done fasters!

aka good luck with your diet new regime!

Have a good weekend everyone :)

Emilythornesbff · 13/07/2013 08:03

aka I have similar ishoos with NFDs. Should have renamed them "trough days" tbh. I can do a 36 hr liquid fast, cope with the hunger etc and feel great the following morning.
but I was applying one of that to NFDs.
I hate mfp. Used it for 3 days. Too time consuming, boring, annoying (insert additional negative adjective).
I am still losing (probable due to ebf) but know I have to change my NFDs or I'll never cope with maintenance. Also I don't drink. (ebf)

I've read lots of good advice here and started to use some of it. Especially the points about adding treats to th end of a meal rather snacking. I also visualise (I think it was TIP's) the "hoovering into the corners" of a digestive system free from snacking.

The thing that is currently working for me is I apply some of the FD principles to my NFDs and I only do 5:2 rather than 4:3 so I'm not "deprived"
During the week I skip breakfast as I felt it was a waste of calories, takes too much time and wakes up my hunger monster.
If I do have breakfast then I try to skip lunch.
I've also committed to not snacking. I try to focus not only on the weight goal but also the health benefits of having breaks from eating.
I don't deprive myself of any particular food. So if I wanted chocolate and ice cream for lunch I would eat it. I would just make sure I don't snack on it.
I don't eat anything I don't want to.
I really try to avoid mindless eating as a general principle.
I find it helps to plan meals as then I have something to look forward to. Like looking forward to a NFD helps me get through a FD, so looking forward to a lovely nourishing meal and some ice cream afterwards helps me avoid the biscuit tin.

So lat night (long day, no dinner prepared) I had a lamb kebab, an ice cream and some Turkish delight. But I didn't snack. Feels food.

Emilythornesbff · 13/07/2013 08:04

Sorry. Feels good

HairyPotter · 13/07/2013 08:05

Hello again.

My first FD went pretty well. No brekkie, half a pot of sainsbos carrot and coriander soup, 2 sticks celery, then for dinner, I tried the chorizo and butternut squash stew from the recipe thread. It was delicious although I have no idea how they claim it cooks in 15/20 mins. Mine was simmering away for double that and the squash was still a wee bit hard. Still, it means I now got the food ready for my next FD as I made double and still have the other half of my soup left.

I'm still debating with myself if I should log with mfp on NFD? What does everyone else do? Do you all stay around 1800/2000 cals? I also jumped on the scales and have lost 1lb. I don't know when I'll risk my next weigh in, I'm sure I'll be heavier eating in NFD.

I might attempt couch to 5k later. Shock

BsshBossh · 13/07/2013 09:04

SoTired the Victoria sponge slice made a lovely late NFD breakfast :)

JB30 · 13/07/2013 09:20

Woohoo! Weighed in this morning after my 3rd FD (mini FD coz just over 1000 cals but fab for Friday!) and I'm now 11.7.4, down from my start weight of 12.5.2 roughly 2 months ago. 11.8 pounds down - the most I've lost in years. Delighted with myself! Bmi was 29, now down to 27. Challenge is I'm off on 10 days hols all inclusive. Going to do a few 16:8's and going to work v hard on my mindful eating - also do lots of activities treatments Hard to eat cake in a swimming pool Wink But all in all I want to enjoy this feeling, look a lot less gutty in my clothes.
Hope everyone's enjoying this glorious Saturday morning, just finished my bacon and toast - yum

peplum41 · 13/07/2013 10:08

JB, hi enjoy your holiday. Try not to worry about gaining, it seems to come off real quick like it doesn't get a chance to "stick"! Yes keep active, have salad when you can, drink some water for every all inclusive drinky you have. Fast a bit here and there if you fancy it. Don't eat manky all inc sausages. Whats in them is questionable.

peplum41 · 13/07/2013 10:18

Oh and congrats on the loss!

Bizarrely I found myself at 11st 8 this morning. Maybe its because Ive been firing up the metabolism all week, also known as not sticking to any fasts or TDEEs , although I did mini fast Thursday, broken by the temptation of a giant vegetable samosa. Totally worth it.

aka Im the same, finally dawned on me that I need to stop buying wine, as I am weak willed in the evenings. And once Ive had Wine I need something to soak it up. Maybe a better diet will help with the insomnia. (hate to sound so preachy).

Breadandwine · 13/07/2013 10:28

Anyone else keep their biccies/chocolate, etc on top of the cupboard?

In line with my NES (not evening snacks) rule, I had a biscuit after dinner. Seven biscuits later I tossed the biscuits up on top of the cupboard - where I have to drag the kitchen stool over so I can access them again.

There's no need to worry, since I just skipped breakfast, but I am a little annoyed with myself! [prat]

Grin
akarucker · 13/07/2013 10:34

Oh yes! Keep it coming! This is all great stuff to hear and stuff I need to be reminded of! Thank you everybody! Adding in an additional fast today to make me feel better. Will probably go over 500, so more like a mini fast, but it feels GOOD after all the crap I ate yesterday.

Last month's resolve of not buying any chocolate worked well. I think I'll adopt it again for the next two weeks before my hols.

Everyone's advice and support is really, really appreciated. Thank you

vieenrose · 13/07/2013 10:37

Like Betsybell did yesterday, I'm posting my stats because I have just passed the 6 months mark.

Starting weight mid January 74 kg (11st9) BMI 27.5

Present weight 61.6 kg (9st9) BMI 22.9

That's a total loss of 25 pounds. I've been stalling for the last 6 weeks but I'm not too bothered. My goal is to lose another 6 pounds and then I'll be where I was when I became pregnant with DS1 (Btw, I'm 46 and 5'3).

Good luck to all today's fasters.

AphraBehn · 13/07/2013 10:50

Sabotaged a successful FD yesterday because I left it late to eat dinner and then didn't stop eating Sad. Just have to learn from it and move on, I think. Will have a mini FD today and have been out for a run this morning to burn off some calories.

Have a great weekend everyone and enjoy the sunshine.

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