Brexit

[PerkyLady]

Hello.
Maybe some of you will consider this a fresh topic, but I'm interested in it nevertheless.
Did you vote for or against Brexit?
And what were your reasons?
Stay well.

I voted Remain. I couldn’t even believe I was having to. It seemed like the world had gone mad. Little did I know it would all get worse.

@GlobeTrotter2000 I have said this on a previous thread, I think. If Brexit as a concept is as good as you think it is why would you need to spend so much time defending it? It would be self evident to the majority.

@Perplexed20

why would you need to spend so much time defending it? It would be self evident to the majority.

Based on how people have voted since the 2016 referendum, I would say the majority are happy with Brexit. That none of the major parties are pushing for UK to rejoin the EU tells me the majority of MPs are also happy.

Starmer has rejected Lammy’s suggestion to rejoin. Link is:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj38ryp8k81o.amp

Starmer, along with other EU leaders want the ECHR to be reformed as migration will result in the EU imploding. Link is;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2g03gv2z6o.amp

The most common age group of MN users is 25-34. That’s about 1 in 8 of the UK population and less than 20% of those eligible to vote. Link is;

www.similarweb.com/website/mumsnet.com/

So, whilst there are many MN posters think their views represent the entire UK, they don’t.

So, whilst there are many MN posters think their views represent the entire UK, they don’t.

Oh! The irony...

II was amazed today to find that the huff post was no longer blocked where I am.

An interesting snippet, 6 million brits have died since the ref, and guess what :

Quote :

"Considering the turnout among older voters was higher than average and that 64% of over-65s backed Brexit, he said it is safe to assume 3.2 million pro-Leave voters have died in the last nine years, compared to 1.8 million Remainers."

"Kellner said: “This means that among people who are alive today and who voted in the 2016 referendum, Remainers exceed Leavers by 14.3 to 14.2 million.”

Source :

Pro Brexit Majority From 2016 Has Literally Died Out Polling Expert Says | HuffPost UK Politics (huffingtonpost.co.uk)

And no @GlobeTrotter2000 , I did not ask all the dead folk how they voted, I did not verify the data, and I am not claiming this as fact.

It's just interesting. And I recall this was part of what brexiters put under "project fear" at the time. The polling demographics that was mentioned at the time.

@RedTagAlan

In case you are not aware:

https://www.independent.co.uk/bulletin/news/starmer-eu-customs-union-brexit-b2881875.html

Also, remember that the decision to leave the EU was made by an act of Parliament with 498 MPs voting to leave in 2017. Have they died too?

The outcome of the 2024 general election was that parliament now has 538 MPs from pro Brexit parties. Have all died in the last 17 months?

Christ, not this bullshit again...

@GlobeTrotter2000

Instead of you posting the same MP stuff, why don't you want to take the time to discuss poverty in Bulgaria?

You keep throwing stuff in the Brexit cauldron, and when challenged , you never respond, you just leave it in there simmering away, when really you should maybe be scooping some stuff out.

I don't think your claim on Bulgarian poverty should be left in there. You going to get your ladle and remove it ?

Poverty in Bulgaria was about 18% in 2005. Today its 37%. The increase is attributed to decline in population and emmigration.

Birth rate does not compensate for the death rate. Emmigration is due to skilled workers leaving to work in Western Europe and other developed countries.

@RedTagAlan

Your figures for Bulgaria are different to that from:

www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/12/01/these-are-the-only-eu-countries-where-poverty-rates-have-increased-since-2015

So, which source should be considered the more reliable?

@GlobeTrotter2000 the general consensus was that brexit was a mistake. Its in countless polls. The polls that you dont believe because they disagree with you.

Politicians having no appetite for it is a different thing. They might feel differently as the demographic of voters change. That's the only thing that holds the balance. Imagine what would happen if voting was compulsory.

I expect the next party that suggests rejoing will do very well. Ironically, it was thought it would be the Tories once they got over their nervous breakdown.

@Perplexed20

As some have pointed out on this thread and others, the only poll that counts is the general election ballot box. I agree.

Compulsory voting does not prevent people who are not interested from spoiling their ballot paper.

The last two parties, Labour and Liberal Democrats, that tried to avert Brexit did badly in the 2019 election. None of the major parties are pushing to rejoin. Why is that? Also, an application to rejoin does not guarantee acceptance. It only takes one member to say no.

Then there’s the issue of trade deals made by the UK since Brexit. Will the UK be prepared to tear them up if they don’t align with the EU? I would say not as turning your back on large economies such as US (Worlds largest economy) and India (fifth largest economy in the world) would be detrimental.

As times passes, I would say the chances of a rejoin diminish rapidly.

You May wish to read:

https://www.prosperity.com/media-publications/rejoining-the-eu-by-stealth-wont-fix-our-economy/#:~:text=Many%20might%20argue%20that%20all,than%20defaulting%20to%20EU%20procedures.

As Globe has been told ad infinitum, General Elections are not referenda.

It's not really rocket surgery...

@MaybeNotBob

General Elections are not referenda.

I agree. However, the poster was talking about polls and the next party to suggest a rejoin would do well as though they are connected.

I remember several posters saying that general elections are fought on a range of subjects rather than single issues. I agree with that as well. That so, how would a rejoin come about?

We meet the criteria, reapply and hope our application is successful.

What benefits have you seen ?

Ah, those multitudinous benefits, that somehow nobody seems to be able to find...

As I said in my post, poverty data is deemed "sensitive" where I am, do limited sources. I also said an issue is what demographics/metrics are used.

The link you have provided is from 2015. We were talking pre Bulgaria joining the EU to today.

As to what data is correct, I did point out one of my links did not have a source. We would need to agree that metric apply really to do a fair comparison.

Poverty rates can be a minefield.

There will people who have benefited from Brexit, but don’t post on MN or any other forum.

Great.

Can you name these benefits that non posters on any forums got ?

I would have thought as they won the ref, and got the benefits they wanted, they would be yelling from the rooftops, not hiding off grid.

@RedTagAlan

Can you name these benefits that non posters on any forums got ?

A bit difficult to comment on posts not made. However, BBC gave examples of winners and losers.

https://www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz63d82z785o.amp?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17655249079556&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

I would have thought as they won the ref, and got the benefits they wanted, they would be yelling from the rooftops, not hiding

Not necessarily. For example, not all lottery winners go public.

Exactly

Er, have you actually read the article you linked? That's not about winners and losers from Brexit, that's about whether the deal announced this year will actually mitigate some of the disastrous losses of Brexit!

A bit of an own goal...

Toons first law of flerth MaybeNotBob ?

Get it. Re-Set vs the original deal, but not a rejoin.