Brexit

[PerkyLady]

Hello.
Maybe some of you will consider this a fresh topic, but I'm interested in it nevertheless.
Did you vote for or against Brexit?
And what were your reasons?
Stay well.

What do you mean re-set ? Do you mean partial membership ?

Starmer uses the word reset, but I think he means improvements to the existing deal, but not being part of the customs union or single market. For example, Canada, Japan and South Korea have free trade agreements with the EU, but don’t make contributions to the EU.

I remember in the early days of Brexit, there were suggestions of; Canada, EEA and Norway plus type of deals, but fizzled out when talk of revoke began. Parliament spent over two years battling whether or not Brexit should happen and everything else was forgotten. I would say Labour was at fault for that.

Aye well, there was sticking points in the first deal May proposed.

But at least the EU pension contributions are still being paid for Farage.

For an MEP to receive the maximum pension, they must complete 20 years of service. Pension can only be taken from age 63 onwards.

Farage served 21 years from 1999 to 2020. So, he worked an extra year even though it would not increase his pension.

Anyone who had paid into a pension scheme for that period of time is entitled to receive a payout.

Ask your AI if the UK is still paying into it. I recall that is part of the 20 billion we have had to pay since Brexit.

The Brexit divorce bill included an amount towards EU pension commitments made before the UK left in 2020. The final total amount to be paid to the EU seems to vary from 30 billion to 40 billion.

The full amount to be paid was not due on the day UK left the EU, but an agreed schedule of payments.

Well done ChatGPT!

So that's a yes then.

That's a Brexit Benefit for Farage.

The UK taxpayer is still paying into his approx 70K a year pension for something he hardly ever attended.

As a matter of principle he should refuse it ?

You're forgetting something - Farage doesn't have principles.

Or, as Groucho Marx put it - "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them, well, I have others..."

It must be embarrassing for the Brexiters.

Nigel moaned about everything EU, and when he was put onto the fisheries commission, he attended 1 of of 42 meetings, promised Brexit would solve all the fisherman's problems, and it actually near gutted the industry.

The UK taxpayer is still paying into his approx 70K a year pension for something he hardly ever attended.
^^
As a matter of principle he should refuse it ?

A hotel room for an illegal arrival is about £145 per night. Allowance is £50 per week. For the year, the total is £55.5K net. That’s the equivalent of a PAYE salary of £78K per year which would place someone in the top 5% of all earners. So, illegals are better off than 95% of the UK working population.

For comparison:

The UK average salary is about £37K per year.

New army recruits earn £24K per year.

GPs earn between £76K - £114K

Maybe as a matter of principle, they should refuse and:

Move out of hotels and live in former army barracks.

Perform community services fitted with ankle monitors.

That's your argument?!

You're not even trying now! 🤣🤣🤣

Goodness me, the Brexiters have stooped to whataboutisms.

It's official now @MaybeNotBob, they are at conspiracists level of reasoning and debate. We have dabbled with their rabbit holes up to now, but now they are diving into mole tunnels. I think it's time to link the toons laws of flerth, so we can see how many more apply.

And straight off the bat: " 3. Flerfs are pseudoscientists when evaluating FE and science deniers when evaluating globe evidence. No exceptions."

Yup. That applies. I reject your data, but check mine out.

Is it really so difficult for them to agree that as a matter of priciple, Farage should refuse his EU pension. The pension that the UK taxpayer is still paying into.

Toon’s Laws of Flerf | MCToon

Is it really so difficult for them to agree that as a matter of priciple, Farage should refuse his EU pension. The pension that the UK taxpayer is still paying into.

People are entitled to form their own opinion. However, for information take a look at:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/13/farage-will-not-take-a-penny-of-153000-mep-golden-goodbye-due

And if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you...

I can't open the Guardian article @EEexpat2000 posted, but I can see the article is dated 2020.

Lets see if there is anything more up to date. Here is one from this year.

Reminder: Nigel Farage will keep every penny of his EU pension (thelondoneconomic.com)

Seems he changed his mind.

Quote : "The former MEP and Brexit figurehead has previously confirmed that he will accept the pension, which is estimated to be worth around £73,000 annually.

Farage, who spent years criticising the EU’s financial system and campaigning for the UK’s exit, has faced criticism for accepting this benefit, yet remains unapologetic, arguing it’s a contractual entitlement."

Good old Nigel.

I wonder what Brexiters think of this. Good or bad ?

UK to rejoin EU's Erasmus student exchange scheme - reports | Politics News | Sky News

@MaybeNotBob

Here is a question.

If Farage had just gone away after Brexit, you know, vanished into retirement, would that be considered a Brexit benefit ?

I defo think it would be.

But alas. The one Brexit benefit that Farage could give to all, he denies us.

:-)

@RedTagAlan

The Guardian article was about Farage not taking the lump sum payable after his 20 years of service as an MP.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/13/farage-will-not-take-a-penny-of-153000-mep-golden-goodbye-due

Yup. I figured that out from the article title.

I never mentioned it because I suspected you would reply to say that. You appear to have missed all the other articles that said he was intending to take the pension. All of them from 2016 onwards, and yet you posted THE article that says he claims he won't take the lump sum.

And you never stated that in your post.

Toons first law of flerth again, almost. The discussion was about Farage keeping his pension that the UK is still paying into, your counter post, although not explicitly pension so far as I can see, not being able to open it, appears to contradict your claim, I assume your claim anyway, that he is not keeping it.

And as @MaybeNotBob said, lets see. Will he even keep his word on that. Maybe he used the promise of it to buy his Clacton house ? No wait, his GF bought that to avoid 2nd home stamp duty, I recall.

Now. Do you agree EEexpat, that it WOULD have been a Brexit advantage if Farage had vanished from public life post ref ?

It would definitely have been an advantage.

Can you imagine Regorm being led by 30p Lee, Gullis, Truss, or Dubai Dickie?

At least Bonnie Blue would know how to f*ck lots of people over on purpose...

@RedTagAlan

The article I posted was not about a pension lump sum, but about the transition allowance (redundancy payment in more common language) he had accrued due his length of service. The £70K pension per year was what he accrued from his contributions to his pension pot. It was not a 100% non contributory scheme.

If he has paid into a pension for 20+ years, he is entitled to receive a return on the investment.

Anyone can gift money to partners/relatives to buy a house. If the property is in the sole name of the person who received the gift, it’s irrelevant how many other properties the donor may have when calculating duties.

On the 9 May 2019 episode of BBC Question Time in Northampton, Farage was on the panel. He confirmed the Brexit party had been formed because the UK should have left the EU with or without a withdrawal agreement on 29 March 2019, but didn’t.

So, if people had accepted the referendum result and the HOC vote on 29 March 2019, Farage might have not reappeared.

I posted this on another thread by accident;

The stupid - it burns...