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Brexit mega thread part 15a - looking forwards

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Talkinpeace · 22/02/2025 18:58

Just rebooting the most recent thread

At the moment the UKs issues are rather over shadowed by events elsewhere
but maybe that is a good thing.

The German election on Sunday is worth watching
Right wing European politicians pulling out of CPAC speeches because they realise its not a good look
Farage floundering to stay relevant

and the possibility of the return of free movement for our kids if not us

Relations between mainland Europe and the UK remain a worthy topic for discussion

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Papyrophile · 01/08/2025 13:42

Because the Gurkha regiment's HQ is at Church Crookham?

DuncinToffee · 01/08/2025 13:56

The Queen's Own Gurkha Logistic Regiment is in Aldershot, and there is a long history before that.

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Talkinpeace · 01/08/2025 14:08

AND
lots of retired Ghurkas have recently been allowed to settle in the UK rather than being forced to go back to Nepal.
They stay in areas they know - the M3 corridor !

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GlobeTrotter2000 · 01/08/2025 14:29

@Talkinpeace

If the; Nepalis, Lebanese and Turkish restaurants are registered businesses whereby the employees are paying income tax and national insurance and the employers are paying National Insurance for their employees and corporate tax, who cares why they are there? If you watch the 5 December 2024 BBC episode of Question Time, both Nigel Farage and Alastair Campbell (former Labour MP) agreed that it only made sense for the UK to allow working immigrants into the country.

In the early 1960s, there were approximately 4 people working for every pensioner. However, due to a combination of an ageing population and declining birth rate, the ratio is now less than 3 persons working (Approx. 34 million) per pensioner (Approximately 13 million).

So, the UK will need more immigrations to fill jobs that can’t be filled by UK nationals as there won’t be enough of them in the future. The key is working, as opposed to non working, immigrants which will require control and monitoring, but at present is not happening.

Your definition, along with many others, seems to be:

Immigration control = reduction in total numbers + racism.

which is incorrect. For me it’s

Immigration control = entry shall only be allowed if the person has a job to fill or is of independent means so as never to make a claim against UK public funds.

For example, I have indefinite leave to remain visa for Bulgaria which has the caveat, no recourse to public funds. When I retire and wish to remain in Bulgaria more than the current 183 days per year, I will have to prove I have a guaranteed income which is at least the Bulgarian minimum wage.

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Talkinpeace · 01/08/2025 14:48

Madame Cholet is happy that you stay there

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Spandauer · 01/08/2025 16:23

If you watch the 5 December 2024 BBC episode of Question Time, both Nigel Farage and Alastair Campbell (former Labour MP) agreed that it only made sense for the UK to allow working immigrants into the country.

As you're a very pernickety bot poster @GlobeTrotter2000 I think you'd like to know that Alastair Campbell wasn't/has never been an MP (for any political party).

StandFirm · 02/08/2025 09:32

GlobeTrotter2000 · 30/07/2025 23:38

@MaybeNotBob

Well it certainly wouldn't have happened without the referendum!!! Until they realised how racist stupid the electorate were, the vast majority of MPs realised what a disaster it was going to be

Joining the EU in 1973 happened without a referendum beforehand as UK constitution/law allowed it. This was reiterated by the Gina Miller case that established the 2016 referendum result did not give a mandate to the government in power to trigger Article 50 by themselves, but had to be done by an act of Parliament.

If the vast majority of MPs were certain it would be detrimental for the UK to leave the EU, how do you explain that 498 MPs voted to trigger Article 50 on 29 March 2017? If, as has been suggested by others, it was obligatory for MPs to align with the referendum result, what was the purpose of the Parliamentary vote on 29 March 2017?

Which the majority that Starmer has, he could have called for a vote whether or not to trigger Article 49 and apply to rejoin the EU and win the vote, assuming all Labour MPs followed, but he did not. Why is that?

Subsequent to the recent trade deals the US has made with both the EU and the UK,
IMF has released forecast growth figures for the G7 members. US, Canada, Japan and UK (all non EU countries) are all forecast to grow more than, Germany, France and Italy. Even Labour acknowledged that without Brexit, the UK would not have received more favourable terms from the US than the EU.

The only reason we got such 'favourable' terms with the US is because we import so much from them (which exposes our dependence on them in many respects, btw).

GlobeTrotter2000 · 02/08/2025 14:07

@StandFirm

UK has a trade surplus with the US. Refer to;

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/688ac6201affbf4bedb7b119/united-states-trade-and-investment-factsheet-2025-08-01.pdf

How does a trade surplus represent dependence?

I think it’s a great move by Trump to impose higher tariffs on the EU compared to UK. It wrecks the remain theory that large blocs have more negotiating power.

@Spandauer

You are correct, Alastair Campbell was not a Labour MP, but spokesman for Tony Blair. It was his statement:

When we were last in power we had a three year honeymoon before the press stopped saying it

that created the impression he was Labour MP

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/688ac6201affbf4bedb7b119/united-states-trade-and-investment-factsheet-2025-08-01.pdf

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Talkinpeace · 02/08/2025 14:18

Trump does not understand (or care about services)

The UK has a service trade surplus with the USA

US food standards are dire. Sane countries do not import food from the USA

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StandFirm · 02/08/2025 14:48

GlobeTrotter2000 · 02/08/2025 14:07

@StandFirm

UK has a trade surplus with the US. Refer to;

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/688ac6201affbf4bedb7b119/united-states-trade-and-investment-factsheet-2025-08-01.pdf

How does a trade surplus represent dependence?

I think it’s a great move by Trump to impose higher tariffs on the EU compared to UK. It wrecks the remain theory that large blocs have more negotiating power.

@Spandauer

You are correct, Alastair Campbell was not a Labour MP, but spokesman for Tony Blair. It was his statement:

When we were last in power we had a three year honeymoon before the press stopped saying it

that created the impression he was Labour MP

What I mean by that is: the trade surplus in services highlights how dependent we are on US tech.

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LouiseCollins28 · 03/08/2025 17:37

What does some random hypothetical polling matter. Unless a question is put to the electorate it's irrelevant. When the votes were counted Leave had more the Remain, Rejoin (obviously) wasn't even part of the conversation.

Peregrina · 03/08/2025 18:17

When the votes were counted Leave had more the Remain, Rejoin (obviously) wasn't even part of the conversation.

Nor was leaving the Single Market as far as I recall.
Time moves on - at one time the Brexiters expected easy trade deals with the USA - this was before Trump.

DuncinToffee · 03/08/2025 18:34

It matters in so far that the government forging closer ties with the EU will be supported by the majority of the public.

pointythings · 03/08/2025 22:09

DuncinToffee · 03/08/2025 18:34

It matters in so far that the government forging closer ties with the EU will be supported by the majority of the public.

Agreed, and sad as it is I think the baby steps approach our current government is taking is a sensible one - it can incrementally pull people along, whilst the hardcore Brexiters continue to decrease in number.

hoopyvest · 07/08/2025 09:18

Agreed about baby steps - after all, rejoining simply isn't an option - but I do wish the government had been bolder.

In February Farage admitted that Brexit red tape was damaging businesses, 'but struggled to explain his vision for these new ties with the European bloc'. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-nigel-farage-reform-poll-lead-eu-b1208962.html

He gets such an absurdly easy ride.

Nigel Farage on Brexit: Red tape for UK businesses has got worse since UK quit the EU

The Reform UK leader’s comments came five years after Britain quit the EU

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-nigel-farage-reform-poll-lead-eu-b1208962.html

LouiseCollins28 · 07/08/2025 18:34

DuncinToffee · 03/08/2025 18:34

It matters in so far that the government forging closer ties with the EU will be supported by the majority of the public.

We shall see if that's true (or not) at a future general election.

Had President Trump been President when Brexit actually happened at the end of Jan 2020 then I suspect the trade deal with the USA would have happened a lot sooner than it eventually did.

Why you'd expect Farage to explain his vision for "new ties" when he has never yet been a serious candidate for Prime Minister (and still may well not be) is unfathomable. What was Starmer doing 4 years before the last election, his vision wasn't out there in full, was it?

DuncinToffee · 07/08/2025 19:48

Farage is Mr Brexit, ofcourse he should explain his views.

GlobeTrotter2000 · 09/08/2025 11:37

@DuncinToffee

As per the talking policeman, polls are not relevant. It’s the ballot box that counts.

As for rejoining the EU, how will the rejoin campaigners convince UK exporters that joining a bloc that has higher tariffs imposed upon them by the US will increase their exports?

Not topic related, but three cheers for the Spanish guys on the beach who tackled the boat invaders. Sadly, had that happened in the UK, the attackers would have been arrested and possibly jailed whilst the invaders were taken to their free hotel.

DuncinToffee · 09/08/2025 11:58

GlobeTrotter2000 · 09/08/2025 11:37

@DuncinToffee

As per the talking policeman, polls are not relevant. It’s the ballot box that counts.

As for rejoining the EU, how will the rejoin campaigners convince UK exporters that joining a bloc that has higher tariffs imposed upon them by the US will increase their exports?

Not topic related, but three cheers for the Spanish guys on the beach who tackled the boat invaders. Sadly, had that happened in the UK, the attackers would have been arrested and possibly jailed whilst the invaders were taken to their free hotel.

Three cheers for the British MP tackling the boat invaders...... oh wait

GlobeTrotter2000 · 09/08/2025 19:24

@DuncinToffee
@Talkinpeace
@MaybeNotBob

You all seem to like that people are arriving by boat and being housed in hotels at taxpayer expense.

Maybe you are all hotel owners and making huge profits? If not, but are taxpayer’s, can you explain how the arrival of people by boat makes you better off?

Regard the EU biometric checks and passport stamps, proof of return ticket and health insurance, I have been carrying those documents since January 2021. They are not limited to those from the UK, but everyone who is not from the EU.

The Netherlands is well organised and installed the machines in Schiphol for finger prints, biometric checks many months ago.

MaybeNotBob · 09/08/2025 19:44

You all seem to like that people are arriving by boat and being housed in hotels at taxpayer expense.
Maybe you are all hotel owners and making huge profits? If not, but are taxpayer’s, can you explain how the arrival of people by boat makes you better off?

This is a ridiculous non-sequitur. But I wouldn't expect reasoning from you.

If you must know - people arriving by boat are obviously desperate and deserve our sympathy and empathy (something you Brexiters seem to be sadly lacking in). If we had safe routes to apply, we could process them more easily and quickly, and they wouldn't have to risk their lives. But this was all brought on by the Brexit government who wanted the distraction of LOOK AT THE BROWN PEOPLE IN BOATS to hide their looting of the treasury. Funnily enough, the owners of the hotels that are putting up the asylum seekers all seem to be Tory donors, or, more recently, Reform donors...

Regard the EU biometric checks and passport stamps, proof of return ticket and health insurance, I have been carrying those documents since January 2021. They are not limited to those from the UK, but everyone who is not from the EU.

Well, d'uh! But we didn't have to worry about those when we were in the EU, so it's down to people like you that we now have to deal with the extra expense and hassle involved. So thanks for that...

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