Brexit mega thread part 15a - looking forwards

[Talkinpeace]

Just rebooting the most recent thread

At the moment the UKs issues are rather over shadowed by events elsewhere
but maybe that is a good thing.

The German election on Sunday is worth watching
Right wing European politicians pulling out of CPAC speeches because they realise its not a good look
Farage floundering to stay relevant

and the possibility of the return of free movement for our kids if not us

Relations between mainland Europe and the UK remain a worthy topic for discussion

More winning...

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/business-economics/goldman-sachs-chief-says-brexit-has-left-londons-financial-status-fragile-as-banks-move-to-eu-cities-395972/

They have given Brexiteer Sunak a top job...

@DuncinToffee

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014

And nobody cared until 2022.

@MaybeNotBob

Take a look at

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-14168265/London-favour-banks-amid-chaos-FranceGermany.html#:~:text=Lenders%20have%20been%20gradually%20shifting,pausing%20any%20non%2Dessential%20moves.

Banks are reconsidering due to both France and Germany being in a mess.

And nobody supporting Russia cared until 2022.

*Fixed that for you...

@MaybeNotBob

you forget that EU has been being Russian energy for many years and continues to do so.

Russia has been good to you Globe?

It pays it's wages...

@DuncinToffee

Lukoil was the most organised and best paying Oil Operator I have represented. Well ahead of others I have worked for:

Shell - UK.

ENI - Italy
Total - France
Chevron - USA

They employed people from a large range of countries. Whereas the others are biased towards their own nationals and who knows who from the past.

I take that as a yes

@DuncinToffee

Yes 👍

Apart from the usual headbangers who want to blame Tony Blair for everything (!), most people seem to realise Brexit is shit...

Brexit did not happen due to the 2016 referendum. Article 50 was triggered on 29 March 2017 by an act of Parliament with 498 MPs voting for UK to leave the EU.

Conservatives won the 2019 general election with a majority. UK left the EU on 31 January 2020 with transition period to 31 December 2020.

People forget that UK joined the EU 1 January 1973 without a referendum beforehand. MPs at the time thought it was the best route for the UK to take.

So, UK joining the EU and later exercising their right to leave 45 years later was not related to referendum, but by decision of MPs.

You left out the Lib Dems

Yes, it always bangs on about the Lib Dems. Must have lost the script...

"Brexit did not happen due to the 2016 referendum."

Well it certainly wouldn't have happened without the referendum!!! Until they realised how racist stupid the electorate were, the vast majority of MPs realised what a disaster it was going to be.

@MaybeNotBob

Well it certainly wouldn't have happened without the referendum!!! Until they realised how racist stupid the electorate were, the vast majority of MPs realised what a disaster it was going to be

Joining the EU in 1973 happened without a referendum beforehand as UK constitution/law allowed it. This was reiterated by the Gina Miller case that established the 2016 referendum result did not give a mandate to the government in power to trigger Article 50 by themselves, but had to be done by an act of Parliament.

If the vast majority of MPs were certain it would be detrimental for the UK to leave the EU, how do you explain that 498 MPs voted to trigger Article 50 on 29 March 2017? If, as has been suggested by others, it was obligatory for MPs to align with the referendum result, what was the purpose of the Parliamentary vote on 29 March 2017?

Which the majority that Starmer has, he could have called for a vote whether or not to trigger Article 49 and apply to rejoin the EU and win the vote, assuming all Labour MPs followed, but he did not. Why is that?

Subsequent to the recent trade deals the US has made with both the EU and the UK,
IMF has released forecast growth figures for the G7 members. US, Canada, Japan and UK (all non EU countries) are all forecast to grow more than, Germany, France and Italy. Even Labour acknowledged that without Brexit, the UK would not have received more favourable terms from the US than the EU.

More word salad. I didn't bother to read. I doubt anyone else with a brain will bother either...

I don’t either - but I do appreciate your contributions @MaybeNotBob It’s good in a “told you so” sense necessary but depressing to see the evidence of the damage that Brexit has brought to this country - not just economically but politically and culturally too

Walking around Winchester today
lots of new Nepali and Lebanese and Turkish restaurants replacing French and Italian
let alone the nail bars using silent Vietnamese staff

love the border controls working so well

I'm sure the Brexiteers all agree that that's an improvement on all those Polski Skleps...

Nobody listened to the Steve Baker Reflections interview with James Naughtie this morning then.

Is that "Brexit Hard Man" Steve Baker?

In that case, no...

It was, and actually it was more interesting than I expected.

@Talkinpeace

Starmer’s “smash the gangs” has not materialised. So, border control regards illegals is not working, but still performing better than;

Germany, France, Spain and Italy all of which have higher numbers of migrants than the UK.

The most anti immigrant countries in the world are:

The highest scores of all 53 countries analyzed were in Austria (34%), Germany (31%), the Netherlands (30%), France (28%) and Sweden (27%).

Source www.aa.com.tr

The common link between those four countries is that they are all EU members.

Why might the Nepalis be in Hampshire ?

I wonder if our friendly AI can work it out ?

Nothing to do with boats.