Brexit mega thread part 15a - looking forwards

[Talkinpeace]

Just rebooting the most recent thread

At the moment the UKs issues are rather over shadowed by events elsewhere
but maybe that is a good thing.

The German election on Sunday is worth watching
Right wing European politicians pulling out of CPAC speeches because they realise its not a good look
Farage floundering to stay relevant

and the possibility of the return of free movement for our kids if not us

Relations between mainland Europe and the UK remain a worthy topic for discussion

So, by definition your ward did not have the option to vote Reform.

There was nothing stopping a would be Reform voter putting his or her name forward and getting enough signatures to put his/her name on the ballot. No one locally chose to do that.

I have just had a look at the CC results

18 Tory Councils lost: some to Reform, some to NOC. Durham in fact was previously NOC, but Labour before that (forever, I would imagine.)

The only actual Labour loss was Doncaster, which was a Metropolitan Council.
The caveat of course is that it was mostly the Shire Counties which were up for election, which were traditionally Tory.

Even Buckinghamshire - the bluest of true blue counties, now a unitary authority, has gone into NOC - although the Tories are still the biggest party. Reform there only manages 3 seats.

Places like Staffordshire, where I lived decades ago, was mostly Tory at County council level as far as I recall, but individual districts flip flopped between Labour and Tory.

Durham is interesting.
Look up the names of the councillors and seconders.

Also
this cycle is always the smallest, and Hampshire and others were taken out due to LGR

but
Lincolnshire Mayor was elected by 12% of the electorate
West of England Mayor elected by 7.5% of the electorate

Apathy ru

Lancashire County Council meetings will be interesting.
Reform have the most seats
but significant numbers of Muslim fundamentalist members

With the hung councils, it will be interesting to see how they manage to govern. Will some unlikely coalitions emerge? Will Reform, where they are the largest party but with no overall majority, find that they are being sabotaged by the other parties combining just to be bloody minded?

In Kent, so I read in one of the papers, can't remember which, they are already being asked what they will do to stop the boats.

Will Reform, where they are the largest party but with no overall majority, find that they are being sabotaged by the other parties combining just to be bloody minded?

More guessing games. You seem to forget that Reform are not the only party that says immigration is out of control.

Exactly a guessing game, I don't pretend otherwise. But this is how other councils in NOC have behaved in the past. The result, stasis, nothing gets done.

UK lost access to Schengen Information System and Eurodac data thanks to Brexit. No agreements on immigration where adopted when the UK left the EU.

Small boat data starts in 2018

You know them Globe?

Three Bulgarians convicted of spying for Russia previously attended an event in the Palace of Westminster, a BBC News investigation has found.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqj4kze7kvdo

@Peregrina
NOC councils usually work the best.
Committee chairs and exec posts are shared out between parties so there is less group think
and because every policy change has to go to a vote there is much more pragmatism.

The worst councils are razor edge
where a single defection or illness flips the council and policy changes every six months.
Cycle lane
Cycle lane out
Cycle lane back in again
Cycle lane back out again

Newly elected Lincolnshire Mayor Andrea Jenkyns (Tory>Reform)
says she will sack of the the EDI / Diversity officers at the councils.

Goes into a sulk when reminded that she has no control over the district councils.

And the County council Reform group have not yet taken up their posts.

The worst councils are razor edge

It depends I think. I have a feeling that we saw this in the past in Oxfordshire. Technically it was NOC for a good few elections; in practice not always, because one or two "independents" threw in their lot with the biggest party, or not, when they felt like it.

Prior to the LibDem win this time, it was previously NOC with a rainbow or traffic light coalition of LD, Green and Labour. The Tories were left out in the cold, but then Labour decided that they couldn't work with the Greens and Lib Dems and took themselves off. The two previous Reform characters were one ex Tory and one ex Independent. Now we just have the one Reform.

I will be interested to see how a county like Bucks behaves? Will the Tories allow Reform in, or will they cast them out into the cold?

And the County council Reform group have not yet taken up their posts.

Today’s a public holiday.

Wow, Grok is observant.

More to the point they have not been issued their declaration forms
signed their DPIs as required by LA2011
or actually been summonsed to a meeting where the things they want to do are on the agenda
with three clear days notice
and the full agenda pack published on the website in accordance with FOIA

Three Working days have not elapsed since the results of the election were known.

Reform already suspended one of their councillors, and not because she wants to see TR/SYL statues in every town

And?

It didn't even take 3 working days

Clear days are not working days Grok.

You really should learn more about the UK

What is TR/SYL

Usually newly elected politicians can't wait to get their feet under the table.
I was at a Count a few years back, when the Party which knew it had won, were already talking about who was going to do what job before all the results were declared.

Tommy Robinson aka Stephen Yaxley Lennon

How could immigration possibly be still out of control?

It's been nine years since the referendum that was supposed to put that entire problem in the rearview mirror as the nation sped toward the sunlit uplands...

@Peregrina
Its even worse with an uncontested.
Telling them that they cannot do anything till after election day when they know they are in from mid April is a nightmare.

I did a bit of looking up about the history of Oxfordshire Council balance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxfordshire_County_Council_elections
Certainly the 2021-25 period was messy
and the '93 and '01 sessions look a mess

but the Libdems have enough space to get through to the next election even if there are time bars and defections

It's been nine years since the referendum that was supposed to put that entire problem in the rearview mirror as the nation sped toward the sunlit uplands...

UK left the EU 11pm 31 January 2020 with a transition period to 31 December 2020. So, how you have calculated nine years needs to be explained.

Since partly leaving the EU, the UK has not had a party nor a prime minister who has been prepared to tackle immigration due to:

Cheaper Labour (immigration) = More profits for the elites

Immigration is even worse in EU member states such as France and Germany. Sweden has recently announced they are going to reduce asylum.

Also, there have been several events that have rocked the World since the UK left the EU such as:

2020 to 2022 COVID
2022 to date Russia invaded the Ukraine
2023 Gaza Israel conflict
2025 Trumps starts a tariff war

All of the above has diverted attention from the goals of Brexit as governments around the world give priority to immediate needs like:

People staying alive during COVID
People being able to heat there homes due to high energy.

Every country in the world has experienced Covid. Many have been affected by Putin's invasion of Ukraine. Only the UK negotiated a substantially worse relationship with its biggest and nearest trading partner.

Farage argued for a points-based immigration system in place of EU FoM. Another failure that's down to him.