Brexit mega thread part 13: All eyes on Ireland

[SerendipityJane]

With the Windsor framework up & running, and the DUP having a "you could set your calendar by it" hissy fit, but Irish unification refusing to keep it's head down, what next in the long running sage of UK vs. the real world ?

Oh FFS! Frosty the no-man complaining that the EU isn't giving UK youth free movement.

You are the idiot that made sure they didn't have it in the first place!

Muppet...

There is some similar dim thinking (worryingly from people who claim to run businesses, which - if true - explains a lot about the state we are in) on the thread in AIBU.

Anyone else wonder if this is a subtle nudge from the EU to set an agenda for the General Election ? Because it does present a little chance for Labour to open up a policy gulf with the Tories who I imagine will never be able to accept this scheme.

Considering the European parliament and 'interested' EU countries watched the whole Brexit fiasco happening, and with other countries recieving attention from Russia at the same time (Farage was making speeches and touring Italy and other countries garnering support for the Right wing ideals) there is nothing much that is 'new' really. Brexiteers are so 'special' that they think the UK is the 'bees knees' where in reality it is just another mediocre country struggling with it's inner demons who, due to no land border (except on Ireland) have never really had to face the REALITIES of blended borders (basque country, Alsace etc). so the concept of proper cooperation with neighbours is still alien. The EP cannot intervene directly with individual countries politics so has to sit it out until it either comes to it's senses or fails.

@IItisymoi

The question:

"Why hasn't Globetrotter been back and explained to us how the UK might be exempt from WORLD tradinbg regulations"

is answered by:

WTO applies to all countries as does the MFN principle.

@DuncinToffee

Is Globe saying that the UK is doing better in shortages than the EU? We are winning the shortages race?

No. Shortages have arisen due to global conditions, climate change, pandemic, conflicts and shortages of ingredients as recorded in the link:

https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/news/article/bitter-pills-medicine-shortages-in-europe#:~:text=In%20its%202023%20survey%2C%20the,began%20polling%20members%20in%202013.

Yes WTO DOES apply to all countries as does MFN BUT what the bonehead Brexiteers haven't grasped is that by LEAVING the EU the hundreds of 'man years' (or Woman years) of VERY complex and detailed trade negotiations and deals have aLL been lost apart from a relative handfull of rollover deals so it WILL take Decades to reestablish trade deals that are actually beneficial to the UK: Liz Truss and her cheese and the Australian fiasco that is literally killing farmers are just the edited highlights thyat mark the UK's drop into obscurity.
Pathetic flag waving and shouting won't get WORTHWHILE deals signed and ratified. Try reading these MN threads from 2016/2015 and you will discover that so many topics (not the ones with hazelnuts, beloved by squirrels) were discussed so long ago.

Posting the same article again is not going to help your argument Globe

Europe struggles, UK struggles more.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/19/sunak-rejects-offer-of-mobility-scheme-for-young-people-between-eu-and-uk

Sunak - expected
Labour - UTTER DESPICABLE COWARDS

US Congress voted aid for Ukraine
we all get to breathe

@DuncinToffee Europe struggles, UK struggles more.

Life expectancy in the UK is higher than the EU, 80+ vs 79.

Poverty rate in the UK is lower than the EU, 18% vs 21.6%.

Unemployment rate in the UK is lower than the EU, 4.2% vs 6.5%

EU only beats UK on inflation, 2.8% vs 3.2%

Germany remains the only net contributor EU member who has a larger economy than the UK. As was the case before 2016.

@Talkinpeace US Congress voted aid for Ukraine. we all get to breathe

Aid for the Ukraine is to prolong the war and keep oil prices high. This means big profits for oil producers, of which the US is one.

Link is

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.com/url?q=amp.theguardian.com/business/2024/feb/19/worlds-largest-oil-companies-have-made-281bn-profit-since-invasion-of-ukraine&sa=U&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwj1o6Dj49KFAxVxVkEAHaqGD7sQFnoECA8QBQ&usg=AOvVaw0Hzq0CHrW9T_HBBmOKdIN7" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/url?q=amp.theguardian.com/business/2024/feb/19/worlds-largest-oil-companies-have-made-281bn-profit-since-invasion-of-ukraine&sa=U&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwj1o6Dj49KFAxVxVkEAHaqGD7sQFnoECA8QBQ&usg=AOvVaw0Hzq0CHrW9T_HBBmOKdIN7

@IItisymoi Try reading these MN threads from 2016/2015 and you will discover that so many topics (not the ones with hazelnuts, beloved by squirrels) were discussed so long ago.

I remember many of the threads from those years. Same subjects over and over.

GFA makes Brexit illegal because MN remain supporters say so. Garbage of course as administration of article 50 has no recourse to international law.
The 2016 referendum was illegal because MN remain supporters say so. 498 MPs triggered article 50
MPs are obliged to ignore the majority and support the minority because MN remain supporters say so. So, why did 498 MPs vote to trigger article 50?

The doom and gloom that was certain to happen just by a vote to leave never happened. Those who voted remain in 2016 had the opportunity to overturn Brexit in the 2019 general election, but chose not to. Why?

Ah, the old trick of misrepresenting what people said or did and asking rhetorical questions based on these misrepresentations.

The fact is that the UK is weaker in every way as a result of Brexit, and the majority of people now think it was a bad idea.

@GlobeTrotter2000 your stats on the EU as a whole are meaningless. The EU is composed of 27 countries. Some of those will conveniently skew the data that you are presenting.

The EU is composed of 27 countries. Some of those will conveniently skew the data that you are presenting.

My thoughts exactly. Some of those have emerged from 50 years of communism. In the immediate post war the US provided W Europe with Marshall aid. There was no such largesse from our former allies, the Russians - on the contrary they stripped assets out of countries and shipped them back to the USSR.

Conveniently no link to those statistics.

Same subjects over and over.

And your posts aren't?

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/id-rather-be-french-young-brits-asked-if-theyre-proud-to-be-british-372863/

And now Globe reveals itself as a Putin puppet. "Prolong the war" is easily read code for "give Ukraine to Putin"...

Not Brexshit related, but very funny;

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/21/andrew-vorderman-voldemort-gb-news-tufton-street-angela-rayner-mark-menzies

Love that Globe does not remember that Russia is a much, much bigger oil exporter than the USA.

The war in Ukraine is to prevent an illegal invasion that was always planned to be the first of many.
#moscowmarge deserved what she got.

Yay! More winning!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/04/21/dover-races-prepare-mandatory-fingerprint-checks/

Hiring spree = more jobs so good. But not to do productive work, or manufacture something but to deal with the extra bureaucracy that the Brexiters have inflicted upon us. Except that they will say it's all the fault of the French.

@pointythings @Peregrina The EU is composed of 27 countries. Some of those will conveniently skew the data that you are presenting.

The figures presented were in repsonse to the post

Europe struggles, UK struggles more.

The poster did not segregate the EU into components. To focus only on the stronger members and ignore the rest is a fudge. For example, a chain with 27 links will fail at its weakest link regardless of the strength of the others.

@DuncinToffee

Links are

German poverty rate 21.2% Income, living conditions, risk of poverty - German Federal Statistical Office (destatis.de)

UK poverty rate 18% Absolute poverty: UK sees biggest rise for 30 years - BBC News

@borntobequiet The fact is that the UK is weaker in every way as a result of Brexit, and the majority of people now think it was a bad idea.

To quote Duncin, you have not provided links to back up your alleged "facts"

@HannibalHeyes "Prolong the war" is easily read code for "give Ukraine to Putin"...

Wrong. Giving the Ukraine to Russia, would end the war and oil prices would fall.

@Talkinpeace Love that Globe does not remember that Russia is a much, much bigger oil exporter than the USA.

Correct, Russia gains more than the US from a prolonged war. Hence, the reason why sanctions by both the EU and the US have not been effective.

@SerendipityJane

Maybe the people interviewed who expressed their wish to be French should look at

France, youth employment: on the verge of a more pronounced downturn? (bnpparibas.com)

Youth unemployment rate in France is 17,5%

Youth unemployment statistics - House of Commons Library (parliament.uk)

Youth unemployment rate in UK is 12,8%

Also, for graduate starting salaries

Salary of long-term higher education graduates by gender in France 2023 | Statista

Average for women is Euros 28K and men Euros 34K

Average graduate salaries in the UK 2024 - Save the Student

Average is GBP 38.K which is Approx. Euros 45K