Brexit mega thread part 13: All eyes on Ireland

[SerendipityJane]

With the Windsor framework up & running, and the DUP having a "you could set your calendar by it" hissy fit, but Irish unification refusing to keep it's head down, what next in the long running sage of UK vs. the real world ?

@SerendipityJane I trust people can see why I am sceptical of AI "taking our jobs".

AI may begin to create it's own more advanced AI without humans knowing how it has been done. ie control is lost. Movies that come to mind are:

1970 - Colossus. The Forbyn factor
1973 - Westworld
1976 - Logan's run
1993 - Jurassic Park

Amazing, the AI knows how to use a dictionary!

You forgot Frankenstein. And Metropolis. And The Apprentice US. All of which feature man made simulacras

What about The Apprentice in the UK?

Alan Sugar is taking the credit for Starmer becoming PM because he used one of his computers when younger

This is not really Brexit related. Tom Tugendhat has thrown his hat in the ring to become Tory Leader. Now I used to think he was one of the more sensible ones - but he thinks the Tories lost because they lost the public's trust which is true. But this is because they failed on lowering taxes and immigration.

My own feeling is that they lost on Johnson's partygate - too many of us suffered under covid restrictions while Johnson and chums were partying and siphoning off our money to their chums, and then Liz Truss crashing the economy in record time. Brexit was the elephant in the room.

Tugendhat now wants to leave the ECHR

@Peregrina but he thinks the Tories lost because they lost the public's trust which is true

I agree with this bit, but would add that after 14 years a change was due anyway based on previous history. Tories from 1979 to 1997, 18 years. Labour from 1997 to 2010, 13 years. Tories in again from 2010 to 2024, 14 years.

My own feeling is that they lost on Johnson's partygate

Johnson was caught, Starmer was not at Durham.

Brexit was the elephant in the room.

Labour's Manifesto is clear that the UK will remain outside the EU

@DuncinToffee Tugendhat now wants to leave the ECHR

Both Farage and Sunak said the same. Only after leaving the ECHR will the UK be allowed to tackle immigration.

Both Denmark and Germany successfully returned all Albanians to Albania with any objection from the ECHR. However, the ECHR blocked UK wish to send people to Rwanda.

Sounds very like NIMBYism.

Maybe ask your AI engine why the ECHR had a problem with Rwanda

The second Cameron allowed the shonky referendum to happen, Alea iacta est

It was pointed out at the time. The outcome was irrelevant. It's a(nother) case where you simply cannot counterfactualise. The direction of travel was set.

(It's what I think has now happened in the US, in a good way.)

Thanks to the magnificent tooling of Google (yes, you can read that how you like ....) it's possible to reach back and see that was predicted then.

It would do well to start with the correct use of apostrophes.

Am I correct in reading that the new bottle cap initiative is an EU one ?

Once again, a chorus of raspberries for "sovereignty" ...

The direction of travel was set.

The direction could have been reversed on 12 December 2019 by remain supporters voting for the Liberal Democrats. Only remain supporters can know why they did not and allowed Brexit to happen.

So, far only one person on MN has acknowledged that remain supporters messed up.

I think you forget the Aztec calendar in all this.

So, far only one person on MN has acknowledged that remain supporters messed up.

😂

Woke bottle caps innit

Not sure how having always voted for a party that supported membership of the EU is "messing up"

So nothing to "admit to"

@prettybird

In 2018, the EU stated that the UK could unilaterally revoke Article 50.

The Liberal Democrat’s manifesto for the 2019 general election included revoke of Article 50 if they were elected. So, had those who voted remain in 2016, Approx. 16.1 million, voted for the Liberal Democrat’s, Brexit would not have happened.

Hence, remain supporters had the chance to cancel Brexit, but chose otherwise. Why they did not want to cancel Brexit can only be known by those who did not vote for the Liberal Democrat’s in 2019.

So far, I have only seen one remain supporter acknowledge that the opportunity to cancel Brexit was presented to the electorate, but not taken.

That the Liberal Democrats did not win in the recent general election also raises the same questions.

Globe being a complete 'sh2t as usual.
I did not receive my voting papers for 2018 but voted for remain in 2016:
Since Globe is happy to cancel my existence I feel free to be as unpleasant as I like to Him/her/it. Remain SUPPORTERS did not mess up but the Remain MPs did not put the best cases forward and there was a barrage of lies and mis truths told by Leave parties and it seems the leave voters were not intelligent enough to actually THINK about what leaving would REALLY mean, and after 8 years STILL haven't put an iota of efford into actually making THEIR Brexit work to the benefit of all UK citizens.

'If only people had voted Lib Dems in 2019'

Did AI really suggest that

Anyway, I quite enjoyed the Paris 24 Olympics Opening Ceremony

I see from my emails that that person has tagged me again (if only I could differentially block getting notifications but there are other threads/topics/posters where I appreciate the tag ) He's wasting the effort as I still don't read his posts

The rest of you who can be arsed do a great job of showing what an irrelevance he is

It was a slow burn for me - it got better as it went on. I especially loved the EU flag superimposed on the Eiffel Tower and the floating barge of young people dancing to celebrate the EU motto of "United in diversity".

With respect a General Election is not decided on a single issue. I (and I expect a lot of people) voted Labour to get Johnson out. In an ideal world I would have voted LibDem but in a FPTP system my priority was to vote for the party more likely to defeat the Tories in my constituency. At the time there were many Remain supporters who viewed Brexit as preferable to a Corbyn government. I suspect Globetrotter takes a very simplistic view.

I watched the opening on French television (channel 3 I think) and considering it was either drizzle or rain for the whole event and the incredible security measures in place it was great. The French commentator was obviously in the same box as an English speaking commentator as while the boats with the athletes were being shown I could hear the english 'version' of the various countries being 'announced'. The torch being carried by the 3 children on the boat in the Paris Egouts (sewers) was quite subtle and the catacombs. Interesting to muse on the LGBTQ displays how many of the governments represented would have imprisoned or put to death such 'behaviour' in their countries. A bad night for pianos, as 3 were either soaked or burned (although I am suspicious they were actually real playable pianos).

I did not watch, just picked up om media coverage

• I have a big problem with "womanface" - drag is now a vicious misogynist caricature
• taking the piss out of Christianity - dropped bollock and all - in a country with the banleuies is not cool
• the last supper painting is not even in France
• lady Gaga and Celine Dion are not French

At least Keir starmer wore a proper British Anorak

genuinely, I look back at the 2012 ceremony as joyous, just joyous
doubt the French will

There was a lot more to it than what you picked from the media but ofcourse it wasn't to be to everyone's liking.