Can someone give me one benefit of Brexit.

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It's going to be 4 years since we withdrew our membership in European Union. Apart from the passport colour (some people might prefer) can anyone name one positive change which happened since then.

@GlobeTrotter2000 in the interests of keeping this thread on topic, do you have an estimate of when you will be able to share with us one or more benefits of Brexit?

@HappiestSleeping I have read with interest some of the evidence presented, and it does seem that the UK has not fallen off a cliff in the way some predicted.

I agree. The treasury report about UK's demise commencing 2016Q3 (1 July 2016) was nowhere near.

World events since have muddied the water somewhat too.

I agree with that too, but some like to think that COVID and rising energy prices due to Russia/Ukraine has not impacted the UK in any way.

Hope your job search is working and you find something soon. Losing your is bad regardless of the cause. I work on contrac and have been chopped at short notice several times.

I agree with that too, but some like to think that COVID and rising energy prices due to Russia/Ukraine has not impacted the UK in any way.

Yawn! Again - nobody has said that.

Where do you get off making shit up?

@jgw1

@GlobeTrotter2000in the interests of keeping this thread on topic, do you have an estimate of when you will be able to share with us one or more benefits of Brexit?

Here is what I consider to the most relevant

Democracy was preserved

If Governments can choose to ignore a vote, I don't see the point of elections or referendums. Democracy allows people to change their minds if they think their previous vote was a mistake. So, if a Party who has in their manifesto that the UK should rejoin the EU is elected they are obliged to invoke Article 49.

Other benefits are related to COVID and the Schengen guidelines as described in earlier posts regards working from home and the 90/180 rule for non-EU persons working in the EU. Both the UK and EU members have saved on office costs.

However, both France and Spain are unhappy with the 90/180 rule as it reduces the amount of time Britons can stay (and spend money) in their countries. The links are:

France set to vote on relaxing 90-day rule that affects Brits owning second homes (euroweeklynews.com)

Spain And France Take Steps To Abolish The 90-Day Rule For British Second-Home Owners - Sanitas Health Plan Spain

As acknowledged by some posters and panelists on QT, World events have muddied the waters. So, I would say again that Brexit has not yet had a fair chance to prove itself.

So you are confused and falsely accusing posters of stuff @GlobeTrotter2000.

Democracy was preserved.

My arse it was. Both Scotland and NI voted Remain. PM Johnson and the Tory government stretched our democracy to breaking point. NI hasn't had a sitting Assembly for 2 years.

HannibalHeyes · Today 12:00

I agree with that too, but some like to think that COVID and rising energy prices due to Russia/Ukraine has not impacted the UK in any way.

Yawn! Again - nobody has said that.

Where do you get off making shit up?

Watch the QT episode 23 November 2023. Alison Mcgovern (Labour) presented the argument that UK was worse off due to the 13 years of Conservatives being in power for 13 years. No mention of Worls events suich as COVID or the wars.

But we clearly are worse off after 13 years of Tory government. Clearly Russia's invasion of Ukraine has had an effect on everything, but Brexshit has made everything even worse.

To deny this is, frankly, stupid.

And I don't remember Alison McGovern being anywhere on this thread, so now you're desperately trying to find something, somewhere, anywhere, to pretend that you haven't just been making shit up about what people have been saying here.

It's pathetic.

@TooBigForMyBoots My arse it was. Both Scotland and NI voted Remain. PM Johnson and the Tory government stretched our democracy to breaking point. NI hasn't had a sitting Assembly for 2 years.

Been through this in the past too. However, I will explain again.

The question on the 2016 referendum ballot paper was:

Shall the UK remain in the EU

That the UK comprises of four members does not change the fact that UK was a single member of the EU. A list of the 28 members is in the link

What is EU-28 | IGI Global (igi-global.com)

It includes the United Kingdom as a member. No reference is made to; England, Northern Ireland, Scotland or Wales.

Scotland seems to be 50:50 regards independance from the UK as per the SNP representative on QT 14 Dec 2023. Also, as pointed out by an audience member, Scotland's current debt would not be accpeted by the EU

NI is effectively part of the EU to ensure compliance with the GFA. However, I would agree that very little consideration was given to NI as Cameron was certain the vote would be to remain.

NI is effectively part of the EU to ensure compliance with the GFA.

No it isn't.

And Leave voters wonder why they have the reputation of being thick.🙄

@HannibalHeyes but Brexshit has made everything even worse.

The Labour party does not seem to think so as evidenced by Starmer's statement that labour will not campaign to rejoin the EU in the next GE.

Some people wil be worse off due to Brexit, but I am not convinced it is everyone.

Your statement was:

Yawn! Again - nobody has said that.

Next time add the caveat that only comments made on MN are relevant and references to what is said outside of MN is irrelevant.

The Labour party does not seem to think so as evidenced by Starmer's statement that labour will not campaign to rejoin the EU in the next GE.

This has been explained to you, endlessly, upthread. Please stop just repeating shit that has already been shown to be shit on multiple occasions...

And if you're going to reference something that nobody on this thread has said, I think you should actually lead with that. I suspect you only did it on this occasion because you got called out on it...

@HannibalHeyes but Brexshit has made everything even worse.

As directed, I will lead with the following link that has not been referenced on this thread:

Brexit leaves UK trade unscathed, finds new IEA report — Institute of Economic Affairs

it is titled:

TRADE, DEVELOPMENT, AND IMMIGRATION

Brexit leaves UK trade unscathed, finds new IEA report

6 NOVEMBER 2023

Key points seem to be:

A false narrative that Brexit has harmed UK trade is now firmly entrenched in the British public psyche, but this just isn’t true. The trade data doesn’t show this. Just as false is the idea that trade friction has reduced UK-EU trade.

“The vast majority of UK and EU trade is conducted by multinational companies who manage to sell goods all over the world without baulking at the paperwork, but the UK media somehow assumes these companies are too stupid to cope with some additional EU paperwork.”

and in the embedded report;

Nor has there been a sharp fall in UK–EU trade either at the aggregate or sector level despite it now being seven years since the vote to leave the EU and three years since the UK actually left. Regardless of the final effect of Brexit, it is hard to see any basis for continued acceptance of the OBR’s projection of a 4 per cent drop in relative long-run productivity given the emerging data.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Breathe

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

The IEA! Really?

Now it's clear that you're a Tufton Street shill.

So the benefits of Brexit are that we have done exactly the same as France?
Why all the upheaval so that a small number of people could work at home, as they apparantly can in the EU anyway?

Alternatively, take a look at

Statistics on UK-EU trade - House of Commons Library (parliament.uk)

This 👆 With bloody bells on!

@GlobeTrotter2000 if we are to believe your link (are they based on Tufton Street?) then trade is the same as a result of Brexit, is that the best benefit you have managed to come up with?
Have you found any others?

@jgw1 is that the best benefit you have managed to come up with?

The link was not a response to the question:

Can someone give me one benefit of Brexit.

but a reply to:

but Brexshit has made everything even worse.

@jgw1So the benefits of Brexit are that we have done exactly the same as France? Why all the upheaval so that a small number of people could work at home, as they apparantly can in the EU anyway

To comply with Schengen guidelines, non-EU citizens may visit/reside/work in the Schengen area for a maximum of 90 days in a rolling period of 180 days. This can be achieved by travelling in and out each week. I did this for two years on a Dutch project.

This coupled with COVID, which demonstrated how much work can be done from home, created what is termed hybrid working. So, the more non-EU citizens EU companies employ, the stronger the argument that local staff should also be allowed to work hybrid. The spin-off is reduced office costs.

I currently represent a French energy compamy and there are more non-EU nationals than EU in both their London and Paris offices.

Ah, you like me are one of these migrants that we are supposed not to like. Don't tell Rishi.

So the best benefit of Brexit you can come up with is that people can live a long way from where they work and do some of their work from home, which would be possible with or without Brexit. Grand.

@jgw1 people can live a long way from where they work and do some of their work from home, which would be possible with or without Brexit. Grand.

Prior to Brexit the 90/180 Schengen guideline did not apply to UK citizens. Plus there had no COVID to prove how much work could can be done from home.

So, whilst it was possible to work from home pre-brexit, it was not compulsory for employers to allow hybrid working. Hence they did not which is amplified by a post early on in this thread:

Clariana · 06/12/2023 10:21

For me personally, it was brilliant. In my job I had to travel to Brussels approximately twice a month, now it is twice a year, massive win.

@jgw1 Ah, you like me are one of these migrants that we are supposed not to like. Don't tell Rishi.

I am a UK citizen from birth. I would not tell Rishi anything. If anyone has already lost the next GE for the Conservatives it is him.

So, I would say again that Brexit has not yet had a fair chance to prove itself.

You can say what you like, but that wasn't what was promised to the Leave voters. Easiest deals in history, remember? I don't think "Give a better life to your Great Grandchildren: Vote Leave" is exactly an eye catching winner.

@GlobeTrotter2000 understood, the big benefit of Brexit is something that was possible without Brexit. Impressive.

It seems to me that analysis of recent polling such as this show quite clearly what people think of those who encouraged them to vote for Brexit and then implemented it.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html