Brexit mega thread part 12: David Cameron: Return of the King

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That's "king" as a suffix not a prefix. Also part of a phrase.

Chris Grey nails it.

That's been one of the most deflating bits of Brexit for me. The realisation that our elected representatives are that mad, bad or stupid to inflict wholesale misery on our country after the harm has been pointed out and printed down on paper.

Fuck me ! (Baise moi !)

30p Lee has been suspended from the Tories for his fever dream about Sadiq Khan.

He's been suspended for not apologising, not for being a racist c*nt...

I wonder why they would cover this up?...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/24/home-office-accused-of-cover-up-over-golden-visas-for-super-rich-russians

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A long time ago I was on the long running Brexit thread - can't remember my username though sadly! I think LeClerc used to post a lot until he had some heart troubles...

I saw this pop up on Active and Brexit has been on my mind today, largely because of our water company which is Southern Water. Currently all of the villages in the surrounding area have no drinking water because it rained too much. They've been pumping sewage directly into rivers and our beaches for well over 2 years with increasing regularity on top of this. I've called out various people to take samples to hold them to account in my area; one was a 2 day dump of sewage into a chalk river 4 miles upstream from a children's playground and the Town in a World Heritage Site. I am right in remembering that the European Union used to hold our water companies to account for breaches when we were a member? They certainly never did these things back then...

I saw this pop up on Active and Brexit has been on my mind today, largely because of our water company which is Southern Water. Currently all of the villages in the surrounding area have no drinking water because it rained too much.

Surely it was the wrong type of rain ? Lee Anderson will tell you it's "Muslimic Rain" which doesn't work in dear ol' blighty.

Yes, wrong type of leaves on the track was exactly what I first thought of!

It's not a fucking joke.

At the end of one of the recent really backing hot spells, when hosepipe bans were aplenty, the biblical deluge that ended it had zero effect on water levels.

Apparently the rain was "too hard" so wasn't able to penetrate the ground.

Now, I actually grasp and understand the meteorology at play here. What I don't understand is how on an island famed throughout the universe as subject to unpredictable rain, this hasn't been factored in.

Isn't part of the problem that, since Brexit, the chemicals needed to purify the water are harder/impossible to come by?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/oct/27/england-to-diverge-from-eu-water-monitoring-standards

And the Brexiters swore blind that leaving the EU would lead to better standards because the EU held them back.

There's also a commercial packaging centre that used to be used for agri exports closing down locally too. Did anyone else catch the Woman's Hour with Minette Batters from NFU the other week and how screwed farmers are now, despite their Brexit hopes? Weekly reminders of every thing we warned Leavers about at the moment.

‘Catastrophic’ export costs, the prospect of ‘terminal’ damage to the music industry, and less legislative oversight - and that's just the start...

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/news/brexit/brexit-despatches-from-the-downside-no-23/?feed_id=1620&_unique_id=65db81c424490

It's not just that Brexit is bad; it's also that the negotiators made a complete mess of it. With a less belligerent attitude the rest of the EU would have been more accommodating I am sure.

@pointythings And turkeys have been known to vote for Christmas.

I am struggling to find evidence of that statement. Please provide a link.

It's a metaphor about how people vote against their own interests. It really should be obvious. Evidence? How about Cornwall (in receipt of high levels of EU funding) voting Leave in droves (and then complaining that their previous levels of funding haven't been replaced).

I dunno, foreign tourism ?

And Wales are going to start feeling it this year when funding gaps become clear https://www.gov.wales/eu-exit-and-eu-funded-projects

So again: lots more foreign tourism.

So Wales and Cornwall are suddenly going to get extra millions in increased tourism that somehow is channelled into sustainable charities that sustain the local and poorest? It's that kind of blanket ideology that got us here.

@pointythings It's a metaphor about how people vote against their own interests.

Voters can change minds if they think their previous vote a mistake. It happens all the time. Look at the swing between Conservative and Labour in the 1970s. Conservatves were in power from 1979 to 1997. Labour from 1997 to 2010. Then conservatives from 2010 to the present. Possibly Labour from later this year?

The opportunity to reverse Bexit was presented in the 2019 general election, but was not taken. Had the 16.1 million remain supporters of June 2016 voted for Jo Swinson in Dec 2019, threads like this would not exit.

Likewise, neither of the two major parties is campaigning to rejoin the EU? So, something has connvinced them that the majority of the electorate have not changed their minds.

Evidence? How about Cornwall (in receipt of high levels of EU funding) voting Leave in droves (and then complaining that their previous levels of funding haven't been replaced).

Cornwall is one of the poorest areas in the UK. So, maybe residents thought that funding was not achieving a lot?

Cornwall is one of the poorest areas in the UK. So, maybe residents thought that funding was not achieving a lot?

Well they won’t have a lot of investment to see now, that’s for sure.
I’m sure there was a well publicised segment of someone in Cornwall going on about how we should leave the EU because it was of no benefit while standing in front of a new development with a sign that said “Funded by the EU”.

And now Cornwall is getting even less. Which was foreseen by those advocating Remain. People were told, and yet they voted to shoot themselves in the foot.

I was in the UK in 1978. It was a shitshow. Perfectly understandable that people wanted change. Same in 2010 with the Iraq war and ludicrously intrusive ID cards. But 2019 was one of many missed opportunities for a more sensible Brdxig; a triumph of ideology over rationality.

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