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Brexit mega thread part 11: is fucktastrophy a word?

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mirages08 · 25/05/2023 12:11

Part 11 of this mega thread

Couldn't see a new one?

Hope you don't mind a newbie starting it!

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HannibalHeyes · 10/11/2023 23:02

Woah! The Lancet isn't pulling any punches!

Brexit mega thread part 11: is fucktastrophy a word?
SerendipityJane · 11/11/2023 09:12

You really can't feel it's time for some serious cash

There's a man going around taking names
And he decides who to free and who to blame

Who would ever have though that man would be Boris

Johnny Cash-The_Man_Comes Around

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME9XpnQiU-8And I heard as it were the noise of thunder One of the four beasts saying come and see and I sawAnd behold a white...

https://youtu.be/k9IfHDi-2EA

Peregrina · 12/11/2023 13:59

That's interesting but I did notice this sentence from the article:

many of whom did not vote for Brexit and who find themselves in this situation through no fault of their own.

A good number were not in a position to vote, but I wonder how many of those who still had a vote in the UK would happily have voted to leave?

Further down the article I note that they are more hopeful because the UK has (finally) relaxed the rules for schoolchildren. Which makes a change of we give something and they are prepared to reciprocate rather than the Brexiter stance of everything in the EU is bad by definition, so we will cut off our noses to spite our faces instead.

RafaistheKingofClay · 13/11/2023 11:35

All I can say this morning is thank God we left the EU and are free of those unelected officials.

SerendipityJane · 13/11/2023 12:41

I think if you wanted a sign that Brexit is dead, then it's hard to think of a clearer one that making David Cameron Foreign Secretary. Remember he was a remainer.

What is most interesting about this news is the dog during the night ...

Peregrina · 13/11/2023 12:58

I have just read the news. Does that mean he's been bumped up to the Lords?

Talk about being rewarded for failure.

What an act of desperation - a badly designed referendum which ruined his career supposedly, following by his disgrace with the Greensill business.

On the other hand, I suspect he is capable of being a decent Foreign Secretary.

Peregrina · 13/11/2023 13:04

When the Tories parachuted Sir Alec Douglas Home in as PM in the early sixties, they had to find a safe seat for him in the Commons. This might not be so easy to do these days if that were to be the intention.

SerendipityJane · 13/11/2023 13:05

Peregrina · 13/11/2023 12:58

I have just read the news. Does that mean he's been bumped up to the Lords?

Talk about being rewarded for failure.

What an act of desperation - a badly designed referendum which ruined his career supposedly, following by his disgrace with the Greensill business.

On the other hand, I suspect he is capable of being a decent Foreign Secretary.

The reporting is suggesting that if this is Rish! big idea, he's gonna need a smaller boat.

It's certainly pissed off even moderate Tories - you know, the ones that are needed to win an election.

But as I say, who cares. Brexit is dead. Long live Brexit.

SerendipityJane · 13/11/2023 13:08

Peregrina · 13/11/2023 13:04

When the Tories parachuted Sir Alec Douglas Home in as PM in the early sixties, they had to find a safe seat for him in the Commons. This might not be so easy to do these days if that were to be the intention.

As I understand it, there is no need for the Foreign Secretary to sit in the commons.

Peregrina · 13/11/2023 13:08

Does he not need a seat in Parliament. He's not Lord Cameron is he?

StormShadow · 13/11/2023 13:12

Peregrina · 13/11/2023 13:08

Does he not need a seat in Parliament. He's not Lord Cameron is he?

Ennobled this morning.

Peregrina · 13/11/2023 13:13

Typical. Be a spectacular failure and get promoted. It's time we had Lords reform and he is one who would need booting out asap.

HannibalHeyes · 13/11/2023 13:45

Stolen from twitter;

Today’s biggest laugh is that Braverman’s been working towards her day of martyrdom for months and now it’s finally happened she’s been upstaged by fucking David Cameron

SerendipityJane · 13/11/2023 13:56

HannibalHeyes · 13/11/2023 13:45

Stolen from twitter;

Today’s biggest laugh is that Braverman’s been working towards her day of martyrdom for months and now it’s finally happened she’s been upstaged by fucking David Cameron

Which is no accident.

Someone, somewhere has put some vary careful thought into telling Rish! how to lose the election without triggering a swerve any further right. It's almost as if there is a guardian angel for Tories.

I recognise the same hand that devised the Windsor framework.

Kendodd · 13/11/2023 14:02

Peregrina · 13/11/2023 13:13

Typical. Be a spectacular failure and get promoted. It's time we had Lords reform and he is one who would need booting out asap.

If I remembered rightly, David Cameron was a big champion of abolishing the HoL

RafaistheKingofClay · 13/11/2023 14:04

Agree. Looks very much like the plan is to take a step back towards the centre. A small one but I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a few policy changes in that direction and a lot less appealing to the far right of the party.

It won’t work because Cameron is responsible for austerity 1 and I don’t imagine there will be any attempt to seriously ease the CoL crisis so they are screwed come an election anyway. Interesting to see if DC can get any movement on increasing foreign aid out of Rishi.

SerendipityJane · 13/11/2023 14:14

RafaistheKingofClay · 13/11/2023 14:04

Agree. Looks very much like the plan is to take a step back towards the centre. A small one but I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a few policy changes in that direction and a lot less appealing to the far right of the party.

It won’t work because Cameron is responsible for austerity 1 and I don’t imagine there will be any attempt to seriously ease the CoL crisis so they are screwed come an election anyway. Interesting to see if DC can get any movement on increasing foreign aid out of Rishi.

If you follow the view that the strategy is to save the Tory party and write off the next election, it has an internal logic to it.

If I were a shadowy Tory puppetmaster, then I'd want the chances of a fruitloop leader with cheerio earrings to be as small as possible. And while it's not a shoe-in, it's currently looking less likely than it did 24 hours ago, when the smart money was on Suella being about to prepare a soft landing after Rish! .

Peregrina · 13/11/2023 14:21

As has been said, it was a smart move to make the reshuffle all about Cameron. Suella is already being forgotten.

Unfortunately I think it will bring a few wavering Tories back into the fold. I hope not many though.

SerendipityJane · 13/11/2023 14:26

Peregrina · 13/11/2023 14:21

As has been said, it was a smart move to make the reshuffle all about Cameron. Suella is already being forgotten.

Unfortunately I think it will bring a few wavering Tories back into the fold. I hope not many though.

Our mate Phil read the runes in a recent cast, and whichever way you cut it, they simply haven't got the support.

And this isn't about winning the battle, which is all a GE is. This is about winning the war to ensure the Tory party become the alternative when Labour are done.

RafaistheKingofClay · 13/11/2023 14:35

If you follow the view that the strategy is to save the Tory party and write off the next election, it has an internal logic to it.

Exactly this. I wonder whether we will see some change to the way the Tory leader is elected. The spanner in the works of this plan is Rishi getting ousted as leader either before or after an election and leaving the membership free to elect another leader. Because the membership are nuts.

SerendipityJane · 13/11/2023 14:44

RafaistheKingofClay · 13/11/2023 14:35

If you follow the view that the strategy is to save the Tory party and write off the next election, it has an internal logic to it.

Exactly this. I wonder whether we will see some change to the way the Tory leader is elected. The spanner in the works of this plan is Rishi getting ousted as leader either before or after an election and leaving the membership free to elect another leader. Because the membership are nuts.

The membership would never have chosen Rish! - they were given the chance and said "no thanks, that nice lady who talks about cheese would be much better, Is she white ? Can't say I noticed sir".

RafaistheKingofClay · 13/11/2023 15:19

Precisely. The membership might even be mad enough to vote truss in again

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