Brexit mega thread part 11: is fucktastrophy a word?

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Part 11 of this mega thread

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Wow! "Eurostar is a bad thing" is a whole new paranoid level of Brexidiocy!

Wtf, why would Eurostar going out of business be beautiful? Would you like all the airlines to go out of business so that you can't take a holiday to Spain or wherever someone might go to get some guaranteed sunshine? How is an international rail service a "threat"? Why is it a win? How is some children going to Disneyland a threat to "sovereignty"? That's pretty much the craziest thing I've heard.

Bit disingenuous to focus on the Disney story and ignoring the others re strawberry growers going under, the Oz / NZ FTA admitted as highly detrimental to UK farmers, no?

And God, you know it’s got to be bad when we now hear that even Truss said it was a bad deal at the time.

Anyhow, anyone watching panorama atm? Our chairman of the UK Committee on Toxicity that advises the FSA and half its members turns out to have links to food and chemicals industries. Not so surprising then that last year it disagreed with eu regulators to reduce levels of BPA such that the safe level in the uk is 20,000 x higher than in Europe.

Another win for those safer regulations we were going to get outside of the EU…

As noted upthread, this poster has stated that any price was worth paying for Brexit.

But Brexshit has happened! Do Brexshitteers really think that literally cutting ourselves off from the world is the end game for this?

Fucking muppets...

To answer all of the responses of this type in one go. Bascially yes, low cost short haul airlines going out of business also positive (much more so actually since they are such huge polluters). Short haul mega cheap air travel across Europe has been hugely environmentally damaging. We were blessed that it came to a halt during the pandemic and it shouldn't have been restarted IMO, but alas, it was.

Eurostar/Network Rail and co are responsible for taking one the loveliest buildings in England (St Pancras Station) which I used to use as a rail passenger from the humble old east midlands and ruining it by turning it into a basically a glorified shopping centre for European visitors. I don't imagine for a moment that we'll get it back as a station for use by rail passengers from my neck of the woods, ever, but I can't wish Eurostar anything other than misfortune, them having pinched it for their international services and all.

Now you've convinced me you are having us on. St Pancras is the station I come into and it used to be a filthy dump that had a permanent aroma of urine. Now it's civilised.

Now you've convinced me you are having us on.

I can assure you that Louise is for real. With every challenge they have just said the most important thing was to be out of the EU, even if living standards dropped, people became poorer, trade became harder and businesses went to the wall. To be fair they will wade into arguments with a tissue paper of quotes from the usual suspects. But as soon as the reality is pointed out, there's an internet shrug and "Well I'm happy".

In an adversarial world, I am still not quite sure whether it's better to have dimness like that on our side where we can see it, or on the other side where it can hide.

it used to be a filthy dump

But it was a UK dump with UK urine

I think what Louise has missed out is that she has a completely irrational terror of the word "Euro", therefore she hates "Eurostar", not to mention "Eurovision" and "Europop".

Mad as a box of Farrages...

Did you read that in the Daily Mail? or the Daily Express?

She probably saw it on KGBNews...

Just seen that BPA in plastic can now be 20 ,000 x higher in brexit britain than in the EU. More brexit winning.

I don't think you are far wrong there. There is a definite whiff of xenophobia - in it's true sense - underneath it all.

Social animals, like humans, tend to exist on a spectrum of intensely tightly bound communities that actively resist integration with other communities of the same species through to much looser grouped communities that can ebb and flow a bit. With each having benefits and disadvantages. And there's a whole host of "us/not-us" markers at play. From skin colour and accents to hairstyle and reading choices. Ultimately nature gives not a shit about any of this as long as it propagates the species. The Selfish Gene and all that.

Interestingly, Nazism was very much on the extreme of "Looks like us, speak like us, walk like us" behaviour. Even more interestingly it was descending to such a limited population that meant the Third Reich was doomed from the off. Starting with all that Jewish science they couldn't use. Including a distrust of production lines. Too pure and you lose. Big style. The corollary to that is why did the Roman Empire last so long ?

Another export market lost.

Anyone else here going to swerve products that can't be sold abroad ?

You should have seen me during Euro 2020 and Euro 2022, rocking back in my chair, shaking, crying. And as for Eurovision!! My God that was tough, I only got through it with stiff drinks, mostly brandy which, to my horror, I realised was European 😂When they mention the Euro exchange rate on the news I need a paper bag nearby to ward off panic! 😂

I do love it when somebody performs horror at the thought of another person who views the world a little differently than they do. I think that's called reductio ad absurdum but then I'm just a thick Brexiter, so what do I know 😉

Brexit dream of an isolated, un-European Britain taking shape.

I think the "ad absurdum" has already been amply demonstrated...

Ad infernum, more like it.

I do love it when somebody performs horror at the thought of another person who views the world a little differently than they do.

It's not that you are another person who sees the world differently which is the problem: it's the totally blind "EU is wrong, I hate everything EU" stance. E,g. a business goes bust - wonderful because they traded with the EU. No thought apparently for people who have seen their life's work ruined.

Much earlier in this series of threads when Brexiters were oh so happy about EU rules being ripped up, to be replaced by [whatever/nothing] I would challenge them to say if this applied to rules proposed by the UK. I never got an answer to this one.

The basic mindset of Brexiteers - and there is there here with all the "cancelled" personalities littering our lives - is a total refusal to accept that their actions have consequences. Which is the other arse cheek to their precious "democracy" and "free speech" they struggle with.

Any poster is as free as they want to have whatever views they like. I for one would have no part in stopping that. After all, I do not seek to make windows into peoples souls.

However, when a poster announces quite clearly their point of view, then we are allowed to form an opinion of what sort of person they are, based on our understanding of that view.

An end to growth ?

https://bylines.cymru/voices-lleisiau/opinion-voices-lleisiau/endless-growth-ended

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jun/06/housebuilders-cut-back-on-construction-as-uk-mortgage-rate-rises-spook-buyers

Conservative think-tank says Brexit is a pile of shite, and the UK can forget about ever being in the same league as the EU and US.

The think tank argues that the main reason why Asian companies went to the EU and not to the UK was not the "size of the subsidy but the size of the market" – and the proximity of the big European carmakers. That was an advantage "which the UK could not match."

https://www.theregister.com/2023/06/05/uk_ev_subsidies

I've never been in any doubt that my actions have consquences. I actively want my actions to have more consequences (one of the key reasons for Brexitting as I see it.) I don't remember ever saying these acts would be consequence free. I would challenge the assumption that ALL the consequences are negative but that's back to my different ways of seeing the world point.

People can form and express whatever view of me they wish based on what I write here, but none of you know me. You can think that I'm unthinking/biased/"totally blind"... whatever. You can say it too but it doesn't make any of it true and I know, with certainty, that it isn't. I simply want different outcomes from the ones you want.