Brexit mega thread part 11: is fucktastrophy a word?

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Part 11 of this mega thread

Couldn't see a new one?

Hope you don't mind a newbie starting it!

And exports

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/01/brexit-historic-economic-error-larry-summers-former-us-treasury-secretary

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I recall that Larry Elliott was the Guardian's Mr Brexit.

Or are you suggesting a two tier system?

One of the geniuses I mingled with at a blockchain shindig a few years ago was a policy wonk who was very interested in how digital currencies could implement a two tier currency. Generally you meet a lot a of twats at things like this, so I couldn't really be arsed to verify the claim that there is nothing in UK law to prevent an employee being paid in another fiat currency. But that was their starting point.

Luckily the cryptobros have pissed in the pool of digital currencies enough that even Brexiteers are unlikely to be fooled by them.

https://twitter.com/Otto_English/status/1664365038935703552?t=CXcYYKrEvmnckh3hbRWayg&s=19

Trigger warning : depressing.

Not new informatiion but quite a report of what happened.

https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-sold-out-uk-farmers-australia-trade-deal-uk/

Australian breakfast TV's take on the trade deal;

https://twitter.com/AlexTaylorNews/status/1664543922381807618

We need more people working, not simply "working age" people. Those two things are not the same. We absolutely need fewer people who retire early, I agree.

If people pay their national insurance contributions, in full, they should consequently have full entitlement to any pension/associated benefits due after they retire. Creating a division around this based on where people are from would clearly be discriminatory and wrong.

People like the PP need to remember that when it was clear the only way to limit benefits to EU citizens was to limit it to UK citizens, the Tories didn't miss a heartbeat to limit them to UK citizens.

I have no doubt that if the only way to prevent people from retiring early (or indeed retiring at all) is to reduce or remove pensions they would also be doing that on speed.

I'm old enough to remember how equal rights can to bite women in the arse by raising their retirement age.

Glad to see you've changed your mind that when'these people' retire they should be entitled to their pensions. Now, If only the government would let migrants work especially given we have a workforce crisis.

@LouiseCollins28

Thought you'd be interested in this
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/economics/about-department/fiscal-effects-immigration-uk#:~:text=Immigrants%20from%20outside%20the%20EU,contribution%20of%20%C2%A3616.5%20billion.
Migrants make a net contribution to the country economically whilst natives make a negative contribution. Maybe we should deport ourselves.

Louise has said many times that they aren't interested in the facts no matter what they be. All they wanted was the UK (well, England) out of the EU.

Admittedly a minority view, if current polling is accurate. But one they are of course entitled to.

Thanks for the link. Wholly unsurprised by the outcome of that research by UCL. Of course a population largely composed of working age adults make a net £ contribution to the economy!

Equally unsurprising that the population UCL, rather troublingly IMO ,choose to describe the the "natives" are net negative £ since many more of them are older and loads of the are children. Working age adults as a proportion of the total will be much less. Why would I contest any of this? The only thing I would note is the "since 2000" qualifier that UCL mentioned in the peice.

Working aged people, who are capable of working, should be working. So...not quite the "gotcha" I imagine you thought you'd landed on me was it, but thanks all the same.

I don't remember saying in response to an earlier reply from someone else that people shouldn't be entitled to pensions? I pointed out that people who are currently working, and therefore often (though not always) net contributors, will not always be because at some point they reach retirement age.

Woo, another Brexshit bonus. For thieves at least.

“Because we’re no longer in Europe, all the paperwork is on the parcel. So they can see the contents and the value, which is around £40,000. They can pick and choose."

And here's how de Pfeffel sold out British farmers in his desperation to get any kind of trade deal to try and pretend that Brexshit was working...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-65793174

She said traditionally they would use up to 140 pickers, mostly from the EU.
"But with Brexit it became more difficult and they just did not feel welcome."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-65757282

The cost of inspections on EU food will be passed onto importers.

The unknown is very difficult to work with," she says. "It's nice to be able to have a plan and know what your targets are.

I've commented in another thread that if the UKs arse dragging (I believe "intransigence" is the word) leads to EU imports being reduced or negatively impacted, then the TCA will be invoked and the UK will find itself either in court, or on the sharp end of a trade war.

PMK thanks you for the thread mirage & as ever all contributors.
I continue to be throughly depressed & each day heaps on the despair with those that are supposedly meant to be governing the country.

Had to send a piece of paper to an EU country today.
Had to fill in customs declaration.
For a piece of paper.
Just utter madness for some as yet non defined gain.
I'm furious again 😡

Yet another victim of Brexshit.

Our country gets smaller and smaller as a result of the Little Englanders...

So the quintessential ‘English’ strawberry is also now another victim. The depressing brexshit news is a gift that just keeps giving. Johnson is and was such an utter shit. Dragged the country under with his egoism and corrupt opportunism. More like a inept and corrupt king than a PM so he got that right.

OK, so this isn't a patch on Eurostar going out of business all together but still. I'm not sure how we get from Eurostar "focussing on their core business" to the end of Disneyland services being "another victim of Brexit"... but anyway, beautiful to see nonetheless and I'll happily take the Win.

beautiful to see nonetheless

Why?

People flying or driving rather than taking the train is beautiful?
A massive reduction in capacity on an international rail route is beautiful?
I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder but maybe a visit to Specsavers is overdue.