Brexit mega thread part 11: is fucktastrophy a word?

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Part 11 of this mega thread

Couldn't see a new one?

Hope you don't mind a newbie starting it!

Definitely not changed my mind. Not dead, hopefully not particularly near dead either. Been on here for years and no serious attempt to persuade me that the cause of my "woes" as you put it was to be found elsewhere. I do think people have moved on, generally, even if I freely admit I haven't and that our relationship with the EU will still be a deciding factor in how I vote next time.

Told you!
There are many, many, many people like this in the country. They would burn their own house down before even considering that brexit might not have been the smartest decision in the world.

Sir Thomas Moore, for instance, burned alive for refusing to recant
his Catholicism, must have been kicking himself as the flames
licked higher, that it never occurred to him to say, 'I recant
my Catholicism'.
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Would you rather I told you want you wanted to hear, or that I was honest? @Kendodd

I'd be foolish to set myself up as any sort of representative of Pro Brexit voters, and as I mentioned, I expect most have moved on to other concerns, but a not tiny number of people nationwide will remain convinced that leaving was the right decision IMO.

I don’t think @Kendodd expressed any preference over whether or not you should express your opinion, did she?

She just quoted you as an example to her point. What’s wrong with that?

Basically, Louise just confirms what we thought about Brexshitteers.

No critical thought, just a manic jingoism...

I love this "no critical thought" line. You get that people are able/allowed to reach different conclusions from the ones you do, right? How is this line of arguement "magic jingoism" supposed to be persuasive?

Nothing whatever wrong with KenDodd using me as an example, but they make the same mistake HanibalHeyes just has in assuming that because I reached a different decision to theirs I was unthinking in doing so.

You are perfectly allowed to think what you want to think. Just as I'm perfectly allowed to think you're an idiot because your argument is always merely jingoism.

Fair enough?

No, not "fair enough". My argument, as is perfectly plain from my many posts, has literally never been jingoism. You can disagree with that point too, if you wish, but I know that it isn't true. I don't expect people on here to agree with me for one minute, but saying I didn't think about it is simply untrue.

Yep. My mother is still beating the brexit drum despite losing all contact with her daughter and grandchildren over it. If you're happy to sacrifice your family on the brexit altar, you're beyond help.

@LouiseCollins28 but so many of your arguments have been jingoism. You have said that you want to see EU retained law scrapped, even if swathes of it will be replaced with laws that are identical to the letter, just because the new law will be British. If that isn't jingoism, I don't know what is.

Even the children seemed to have understood it better than most Brexshitteers;

https://eastangliabylines.co.uk/we-never-understood-the-european-union-nows-a-good-time-to-learn/

They'll never change. I'm Irish and have lots of lovely English cousins. One of whom is very pro Brexit despite spending great chunks of time on le Continent every winter. Though , presumably, less than 90 days at a time.

She is in the process of getting Irish passports for herself and children. There is no irony or hypocrisy involved as far as she is concerned. Since ' they ' are always lying and are to blame for any down side.

No! That's wanting to be governed by laws made by people I can vote to remove, not laws passed by people I cannot vote to remove. Fundamental part of democracy, for me. You might disagree, you're perfectly entitled to, but that isn't jingoism or anything close.

Repealing laws that will be replaced by identical or near identical ones with a different label is just a waste of time and effort that should be put into to real issues like setting an industrial strategy, resolving waterway pollution, resolving public sector recruitment problems aand replacing schools and hospitals that are falling down.

@LouiseCollins28 and this is why we don't take Brexiteers seriously. They advocate wasting time, energy and money replacing laws with identical ones, pinning Union flags on them and all the time the economy and the environment are being trashed, our schools are falling down, our NHS is crumbling and our freedoms are being eroded. I'm sorry, but that's jingoism with a fine helping of abject stupidity.

Oh yes, the unelected MEP's again, nothing like Lord Frost

not laws passed by people I cannot vote to remove.

So I assume that a) you never bothered to vote in the EU elections, and b) you are campaigning to have the House of Lords reformed so that it's either abolished or is an elected chamber?

No, thought not.

It galled me that when we voted out our useless MP Nicola Blackwood, back in 2017 that she was immediately bumped up to the Lords. We can't now get rid of her, and being a young woman, we could be stuck with her for a good many years yet.

Ditto with Zak Goldsmith being rejected by his electorate and bumped up to the Lords. Also relatively young, so likely to be stuck with him for a good many years.

Just to wind Louise up

https://www.theregister.com/2023/09/22/uk_us_data_deal/

Also hows Louise going to cope with their USB-C EU mandated smartThing ? Input UK had to that decision=fuck all.

Hypocrisy is strong in Brexshitteers...

Brexiters seem to have no problem in slavishly kow towing to the USA but really didn't like being in partnership with other European nations in the EU. Why, I wonder?

Just to wind Louise up

Rule takers as opposed to makers. There’s only so far nationalistic chutzpah bollocks will take you. Which is not very far as the entire bloody country can now see.

We are now a small and very isolated island in the scheme of things.

Since I'm a democrat, I've voted (I think) in every election at which I was entitled to.

I'm not sure what is supposed to "wind me up" about what SerendipityJane posted. Peregrina is exactly correct so far as I am concerned. Data sharing arrangements with the USA I am intensely relaxed about. If you want to understand why, please visit Madingley, Cambs.

The Lords is an anachronism, however a second elected chamber with a conflicting madate is absurd, see political paralysis in the USA.

@LouiseCollins28 if you're referring to the cemetery then I think the UK and the US should really move on from the things that happened 70 years ago. Remember and never forget, yes. Build information sharing relationships on it no matter who is in government on either side and assume both sides are benevolent - no. Fawning worship of the US will get us nowhere.