Brexit mega thread part 10 : what's the (s)tory? Incompetence, tax evasion, dodgy loans and economic free fall...nothing to see here...check out those sunlit uploands!

[Chevyimpala67]

Part 10 of our long running thread.
I'm still putting my money on a spring GE.
The tory slash and burn of the UK is right on track.
Bon chance my friends!

I don't believe for a moment that they are even remotely as corrupt as this bunch of completely self-serving grifters.

Generally it takes at least one term to learn where the cookie jar is before you can work out how to rob it.

The adage about diapers and governments needing to be regularly changed is pretty much perfect.

And it never fails to amaze me how stupid some people are. I mean really stupid. I mean mind-bogglingly stupid. Such as to proudly announce that you would vote <whoever> come what may.

If you, my stupid friend, are happy to vote <whoever> come what may, then don't be surprised when <whoever> twigs that with your vote guaranteed, they can happily shit on you whilst promising the earth to floating voters. Which is pretty much exactly what has happened these past years.

Myself ? I will vote as best I can for the best outcome. One day that may actually be a vote for the Tories. Although at my age and given their past performance, you would probably get better odds on the lottery.

Andrew bridgen has been thrown out of the tory party

Good

Why? Yes he's an ignorant, odious twerp who spouts absolute nonsense, dangerous nonsense, but how does he differ from those who haven't been thrown out?

Their reason is because he compared the covid-19 vaccine to the Holocaust, it probably was the final straw.

@HannibalHeyes I totally agree. It's a different mentality and whilst labour MPs may not be your personal bag it's hard to think of any who are as weird or have such hideous views as Rees Mogg , Braverman, Patel, Badenoch, Baker, Francois, Gullis, Dorris, Anderson etc

I actually think the Tory's have a ton of sub apprentice standard MPs.

Sunak is actually one of the better ones- I don't think he's horrible or weird, just vastly overpromoted , hugely wealthy and out of touch.

I once saw somebody receive it as the Tories winning a load of seats they didn’t expect to or think they had a chance in in 2019 which has led to some quality control issues with their MPs.

Another thing is you do get a certain viewpoint (mainly Lexiters) that they actually voted for it because it would increase multi culturalism! I'm pretty sure that's not why a vast number who voted that way were voting for it , - and I personally find it a bit racist too to say you don't have a problem with lots of non EU immigrants and want to encourage it, but 'don't count' it as multiculturalism if immigrants are from Poland, Lithuania etc and happen to be white .

I have fuck all sympathy for anyone who voted for Brexit. No matter what their motivations.

The moment you realised you were following Nigel Farage and Tommy Robinson into a ballot box and voting the same way they were, your spidey senses should have been screaming that something wasn't right.

I have no doubt that there were people that voted for Hitler (or the Nazis) because they liked their environmental policies. But the moment you saw the (literal) bully boys voting the same way, you should have stopped.

Much like the current crop of dismal "knows what a woman is" thinkers elsewhere.

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-business-fear-brexit-checks-food-price-inflation/

@SerendipityJane 100% with you on all that. I'm not interested in that the Tory's 'know what a woman is' - I'm more interested in whether they know what good social housing is and why it's needed- and what they will do about it- they use expressions like that to divert from the fact they have no progressive policies whatsoever and appeals to their voting demographic.

The Tories know what a woman is argument would hold much more weight if they actually believed women should have equality.

Luckily the people I've met in real life who parrot it are the sort of people who were/are going to vote Tory anyway. Which is why I am putting it into the "But Jeremy Corbyn" files as a fig leaf for voting Tory.

This.

Might be an unpopular view on MN but I really don’t think it’s a vote swinger for many people. Media need to stop wasting time trying to catch Starmer out on it and ask about CoL, energy, climate change, NHS, policing, local government, transport, poverty or any of the other hundred billion things that don’t work in this country anymore and makes the lives of millions of people increasingly difficult every day.

Same goes for any of the ‘culture wars’ bullshit.

But starmer’s pension can be added to the list too.

"Britain is being impoverished by a Remainer institutional mind virus" writes Allister Heath 😂

Ouch. Bear in mind (Brexiteers need not apply here) that the wrongs and rights of this statement are irrelevant. It is enough that one of the biggest companies in the world can make a statement like this - and be believed - that is enought.

The fact it comes after Rishi Sunak so carefully (and obediently) tried to rewrite Google by fiddling with how "unicorn" is treated in search results is even more of a bad sign for Brexit and it's ever dwindling band of brothers.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/microsoft-rishi-sunak-brexit-activision-b2327923.html

By the way, MS do alright out of the UK government. Who have fuck all idea of reducing licence costs on proprietary software (which is what Windows, Office O365 are). So this isn't sour grapes.

>the UK government. Who have fuck all idea of reducing licence costs on proprietary software

I remember a discussion as client side consultant where the procurement team were boasting of securing a 23% reduction on list for a multi-year software procurement (9m pa for 6 years) when I knew the vendor fairly routinely dropped 30% for long term deals. Worse they paid up front for all users and the complete suite when the most optimistic rollout would only have 5% of users against one component of the software.

Equally services - the government framework contracts negotiate against consultancy 'list' prices, which are 100% up on what they will actually work for - so again a 50% cut on the framework rates still provides an excellent margin for the consultancy.

I suggested that procurement should talk to other large corps and see what sort of discounts they had achieved - proposal was poo-pooed because they had a big team with years of experience.

The concept of 'if you do what you did you get what you got' was alien to them.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-pubs-closed-clubs-london-nightlife-b2329008.html

Matthew Parris:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-arm-new-york-london-stock-exchange-listing-b1078116.html

https://www.avinteractive.com/news/business/brexit-red-tape-gets-thumbs-down-from-uks-av-industry-02-05-2023/

Brexit has been good for some people if you read the last posts on this page
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4357366-Truck-driver-shortage-reap-what-you-sow?page=5

I voted Remain, BTW, for my own reasons, but it is necessary to take everyone's experience into account.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/house-prices-have-slumped-is-brexit-finally-to-blame/ar-AA1aIr0Y