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Brexit mega thread part 10 : what's the (s)tory? Incompetence, tax evasion, dodgy loans and economic free fall...nothing to see here...check out those sunlit uploands!

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Chevyimpala67 · 31/01/2023 12:52

Part 10 of our long running thread.
I'm still putting my money on a spring GE.
The tory slash and burn of the UK is right on track.
Bon chance my friends!

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Kucinghitam · 01/04/2023 06:14

DuncinToffee · 31/03/2023 10:15

How dim are they?

Badenoch on Sky this morning

"It's the first time we've joined a bloc in about 50 years, there's strength in numbers... "

Dear god, she didn't actually say that, did she? 🤦🏻‍♀️

borntobequiet · 01/04/2023 07:59

Private Eye on AI

Brexit mega thread part 10 : what's the (s)tory? Incompetence, tax evasion, dodgy loans and economic free fall...nothing to see here...check out those sunlit uploands!
SerendipityJane · 01/04/2023 09:11

DrBlackbird · 31/03/2023 23:43

we should have a YouTube channel where AI bots review AI bots

At university we’re very close to seeing ai generated essays marked by an algorithm and students sailing through with hardly having to ‘learn’ anything. I’m really not joking.

Made me think about a short story I read when young about a computer that controlled human lives stopping and the consequences. I looked it up recently. It was written in 1909 by EM Forster called The Machine Stops.

In the story, the Machine is the object of worship. People forget that humans created the Machine, and treat it as a mystical entity whose needs supersede their own. Those who do not accept the deity of the Machine are viewed as 'unmechanical' and threatened with Homelessness.

So that’s us told then. The Tories see AI as a mystical deity that is somehow going to bring glory back to the Empire and naysayers will be kicked out. Oh how prescient Forster was way back when.

Only yesterday, I saw someone use CoPilot (which MS is offering via Github) create a module in the time it's taken me to type this. They started typing a comment "# - set users and groups" and the engine suggested a whole chunk of code that fitted into the project to do it.

"AI wrangler" is probably a role that no one is teaching for (which is an acid reflection about the nature of Western education. Is it for the students or the institutions ?). But then as I reflect on a life well lives, I notice that no one doing the real work was actually prepared for it by education. Yes, you might learn which end of the colon to operate on in medical school. But you certainly weren't shown how to deal with NHS bureaucracy which now consumes 55% of your working day.

Be curious to see if AI - using "the wisdom of crowds" breaks the model of bookmakers. If ChatGPT gets to be very good at picking winners.

Also how quickly can ChatGPT4 write ChatGPT5 ?

HannibalHeyes · 01/04/2023 11:15

Colombia is being sued for $700m because they want to stop environmentally damaging mining. This is possible because they are subject to the CPTPP court.

The same one the government just made us subject to.

The EU made us protect the environment, CPTPP prevents us from doing so. So much for sovereignty.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/andes-to-the-amazon/2016/feb/21/colombia-bans-oil-gas-mining-paramos

Colombian court bans oil, gas and mining operations in paramos

David Hill: Major environmental victory after loophole permitting operations in rare ecosystems is declared “unconstitutional”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/andes-to-the-amazon/2016/feb/21/colombia-bans-oil-gas-mining-paramos

HannibalHeyes · 01/04/2023 11:52

Simon Calder not holding back...

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1642106623836540928

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1642106623836540928

borntobequiet · 01/04/2023 12:08

Shocking, though I don’t know why I’m shocked, this sort of thing comes as standard now.

DowningStreetParty · 01/04/2023 12:08

OMG that Simon Calder clip!

DowningStreetParty · 01/04/2023 12:13

These terrible, uneconomic, unethical, anti- environmental deals that the Tories are desperately making with non-EU countries are fucking awful. What can we do?
It’s monumentally stupid and depressing.

Brexit hasn’t worked (I mean obviously, it was a terrible idea) and now we’re making the UK complicit in absolutely terrible things to try to distract from that massively obvious fact.

Peregrina · 01/04/2023 12:21

OMG that Simon Calder clip!

I love the way one Brexiter is trying to lie his way out of it. We had our passports checked each time, he bleats. But it wasn't stamped in and out, and he just needs to look at his passport to see that is the case.

I was regularly going to France. Checking my passport before 2021 I only had a stamps for when I went to Cuba in 2015. Suddenly post 2021, bearing in mind that Covid restricted travel, I have four pages of them. Previous passport - stamps and visas for India and stamps for Peru. I can't anywhere see any EU stamps - perhaps they used vanishing ink. Wink

Eve · 01/04/2023 13:16

well in no surprise to anyone - chaos at Dover again this weekend.

SerendipityJane · 01/04/2023 14:39

We need to feed all future government policies through ChatGPT

https://www.theregister.com/2023/03/30/socket_chatgpt_malware/

EXCLUSIVE Machine learning models are unreliable but that doesn't prevent them from also being useful at times.

Several months ago, Socket, which makes a freemium security scanner for JavaScript and Python projects, connected OpenAI's ChatGPT model (and more recently its GPT-4 model) to its internal threat feed.

The results, according to CEO Feross Aboukhadijeh, were surprisingly good. "It worked way better than expected," he told The Register in an email. "Now I'm sitting on a couple hundred vulnerabilities and malware packages and we're rushing to report them as quick as we can."

Integrating OpenAI's ChatGPT and GPT-4: Socket's story

Hint: Hundreds of malicious npm and PyPI packages spotted

https://www.theregister.com/2023/03/30/socket_chatgpt_malware?td=rt-3a

Kucinghitam · 02/04/2023 07:09

DuncinToffee · 01/04/2023 12:05

Similar with Palm oil

The UK has accepted Malaysia’s demands to reduce import tariffs on palm oil—a product linked to huge deforestation—from the current 12% to 0%.

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/03/31/uks-brexit-trade-deal-with-malaysia-has-potential-to-flood-market-with-dirty-palm-oil/

Bloody hell, I'm of Malaysian origin and I'm just 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

In our household we've been trying so hard to avoid palm oil in products precisely because we've seen first-hand the vast oil palm plantations where virgin rainforest used to be.

Another Brexit win.

SerendipityJane · 02/04/2023 10:31

Seems Brexiteers are taking a scorched earth policy - presumably learned from their paymasters. Trying to make it impossible to roll back these "wins" to ensure England the UK can never rejoin the EU.

RafaistheKingofClay · 02/04/2023 14:01

https://mobile.twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1642404868584341505

John Redwood with a terrible take in which he nearly manages to join all the dots but doesn’t quite make it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1642404868584341505

SerendipityJane · 02/04/2023 15:31

RafaistheKingofClay · 02/04/2023 14:01

https://mobile.twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1642404868584341505

John Redwood with a terrible take in which he nearly manages to join all the dots but doesn’t quite make it.

Just when you thought they couldn't get any dimmer.

RafaistheKingofClay · 02/04/2023 15:32

It’s John redwood, he’d make a burnt out light bulb look bright.

oatleytap · 03/04/2023 14:19

Visited my Brexit obsessed father at the weekend. He wanted a hard Brexit, and he got what he wanted but he’s still unhappy.

And everything he thinks is still based on complete nonsense.

  1. He thinks the EU stopped the rwanda flights (he thinks the ECJ has jurisdiction over this)
  2. He thinks the EU forced us to pass all the EU laws into UK law, and that they can still pass laws that we have to follow. And we aren’t allowed to repeal any of the old ones
  3. He thinks that Northern Ireland is still a member of the EU
  4. He thinks we still have freedom of movement and people can come and stay and work here without a visa and that the EU haven’t extended the same to us so it’s unfair.
  5. He thinks the channel asylum problem is the EUs fault and they’re sending them here on purpose because “hate us”

There was other complete tripe, but I can’t be bothered to type it out.

I got to the point where’d I’d explained why it was all wrong, and he ended up just sitting there shaking his head saying “no, no”. It was bloody painful.

Was never about Brexit or trade for him.

He just doesn’t like Germany and France, because when he grew up it was acceptable/encouraged to be a xenophobe and he thinks the world would have been much better off under the glory of the great British empire. All the EU talk is just a cover for that stuff.

Sorry, needed to get off chest 😂

Exasperatednow · 03/04/2023 17:05

oatleytap · 03/04/2023 14:19

Visited my Brexit obsessed father at the weekend. He wanted a hard Brexit, and he got what he wanted but he’s still unhappy.

And everything he thinks is still based on complete nonsense.

  1. He thinks the EU stopped the rwanda flights (he thinks the ECJ has jurisdiction over this)
  2. He thinks the EU forced us to pass all the EU laws into UK law, and that they can still pass laws that we have to follow. And we aren’t allowed to repeal any of the old ones
  3. He thinks that Northern Ireland is still a member of the EU
  4. He thinks we still have freedom of movement and people can come and stay and work here without a visa and that the EU haven’t extended the same to us so it’s unfair.
  5. He thinks the channel asylum problem is the EUs fault and they’re sending them here on purpose because “hate us”

There was other complete tripe, but I can’t be bothered to type it out.

I got to the point where’d I’d explained why it was all wrong, and he ended up just sitting there shaking his head saying “no, no”. It was bloody painful.

Was never about Brexit or trade for him.

He just doesn’t like Germany and France, because when he grew up it was acceptable/encouraged to be a xenophobe and he thinks the world would have been much better off under the glory of the great British empire. All the EU talk is just a cover for that stuff.

Sorry, needed to get off chest 😂

You are doing a sterling job keeping a relationship going.

I barely see one of my sisters because she thinks everyone else is to blame for everything in her life including the EU. It's terribly convenient for her.

oatleytap · 03/04/2023 19:44

@Exasperatednow

We actually get on well most of the time. I know that sounds impossible from I wrote up there, but it’s like 95% of him is a decent person and 5% of him is corrupted by some insidious virus that he has no control over.

The effect of 70 years of right wing and post-war propaganda combined with never being taught how to evaluate sources, I suppose.

He actually thinks Jacob Rees-Mogg cares about this country… 🤢

Exasperatednow · 03/04/2023 21:33

I wish my sister was lovely 95% of the time. She also thinks that Dorries, Mogg and Johnson are amazing.

SerendipityJane · 05/04/2023 11:00

HannibalHeyes · 05/04/2023 10:51

Yay for Brexshit and it's wonderful new opportunities for lovely fresh eggs from cages in Mexico!

https://www.fwi.co.uk/livestock/poultry/layers/packers-fear-influx-of-cage-eggs-from-mexico-with-new-trade-deal

What's the betting (100%) that labelling won't be allowed to indicate the origins of eggs. And if it could Mexican egg-flingers could sue the UK.

No question marks needed, as these aren't in doubt. Means it's no use relying on Waitrose or M&S to have nice eggs any more.

HannibalHeyes · 05/04/2023 11:51

Absolutely certain, as that was one of the conditions of the greatly mooted US trade deal, that we wouldn't be able to see if our chicken was washed in chlorine or our beef was stuffed with hormones.

SerendipityJane · 05/04/2023 11:57

HannibalHeyes · 05/04/2023 11:51

Absolutely certain, as that was one of the conditions of the greatly mooted US trade deal, that we wouldn't be able to see if our chicken was washed in chlorine or our beef was stuffed with hormones.

Which would be enough to stop me buying any meat. which if writ large is a further fuck you to UK farmers. Thank God I'm old,

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