Genuine question - what does anyone like about Brexit?

[Pipsquiggle]

I have always been a committed remainer - I work in an industry that depends on seamless logisitics, particularly entering / leaving the UK. Brexit is a shit show for my sector.

Just had to pay £96.80 to UPS to release a package that I'd paid express delivery for, that should've arrived 2 days ago - I'm pissed off. The German firm has already agreed to reimburse me but it's all such a ball ache.

So I have a very bleak outlook when it comes to Brexit.

Genuinely, I would like to hear of good news stories around Brexit.
How has it made your life better?
If your pay has increased - how much by and which industry are you in?
If there has been a legal upside for you - which law and how has it helped?

I am genuinely hoping to 'reframe' my thoughts / feelings on Brexit and was hoping this board could help me

Talk about splitting hairs. No wonder these threads become an echo chamber.

You're not after a reasoned two sided debate so there's no point.

@sashagabadon different sectors are fairing differently. Wage inflation and lack of labour is causing some, particularly SMEs in hospitality, to close their doors.

Yes I know that but for some it’s a bonanza. My dd (at uni) had 3 job offers to ponder recently all in hospitality. So for her it’s great, likewise my dh.
that is a positive (for them)

I like having been proved right about what a stupid decision it was, as anyone with any sense always knew.

And despite all the evidence we can see around us, there are still plenty of people who can't/won't accept the truth - because brexit isn't based on reason, it's just a cult. Which I always suspected, but am now seeing proved. So I enjoy having been right about that as well.

Occasionally seeing pro-brexit people and businesses going bust as a result of brexit is always nice, too. Not much else upside I can think of though.

Ok well I'll bite, not sure everyone one here is open to respectful honest debate, but I'll say it anyway.

Clearly the OP is disingenuous, OP is looking for an excuse to complain that Brexit has made their job more difficult and express the contempt they feel for those responsible.

I voted for Brexit for many, many reasons, never did I expect it to be an easy transition. Wage suppression will take some time to rectify itself. Had the EU been willing to compromise on a few things we wouldn't have any reason to leave, their one size fits all policy of all countries having to abide by the same rules might work better for those actually on the continent, but we are an island and have issues that are unique to us.

It's hard to really tell what the benefits will be because we're still paying the EU for various reasons so haven't seen any financial benefits to date. Plus the war, fuel prices, pandemic etc. are making it hard to pinpoint exactly what affect Brexit has had.

I always knew we would have a period of instability and adjustment, before we saw any real benefit. I voted for it anyway because hopefully my kid will benefit from increased wages, more and therefore lower (comparatively) priced housing in the long run. It was never about instant gratification.

The incredibly slow reaction from the EU regarding the pandemic, vaccines, etc., does highlight what an inefficient and complicated system they have with regards to decision making.

I could go on about allowing countries to join who don't meet the criteria and how destabilising that is to the economic EU bubble, but it's boring and complicated and I did my research but really I cba setting it out here to be disparaged and criticized for it.

Am I sure I made the right decision, no not 100 % did I weigh up the pros and cons and come to an educated guess, yes I did and I have no regrets so far. Yes my arse is twitching but nothing worth having ever came easy. Hate me if you want, but the main players in the EU France and Germany clearly hold grudges against the UK and we weren't treated very well considering how much we contributed to the pot.

The EU has its own problems that it needs to address too.

It may take twenty years to see the true benefit or deficit of Brexit, but if everyone got behind it and made the best of it we might get there quicker than squabbling over something that's already been done.

Happy to debate but when you come out with "Brexit enabled the UK to come to Swedens aid..." that s nonsense!

The UK hasn't the armed forces.... we ve 23k infantry, so could deploy about a 3rd of them.

Any defence would be a US led operation, in which we'd supply weapons and aid BUT Russia hasn't got the capability to attack and defeat anyone.

Nor have you explained why Brexit enabled us to offer this support?

@sashagabadon UK students have always worked PT in hospitality, more so post brexit i agree but with a potential collapse in that sector, not sure its going to last and it only helps in Uni area's... many places in Cornwall now have simply shut because they can no longer get staff.

How about the loss of EU care workers? possibly slightly more vital than getting a coffee in Hayle & no most students can't do this work, as you need a car.

Not unique @FishBowlSwimmer

Ireland is also an island.

The incredibly slow reaction from the EU regarding the pandemic, vaccines, etc., does highlight what an inefficient and complicated system they have with regards to decision making

Yes we claim this but.....

UK had AZ and did a brilliant job rolling it out, meanwhile the EU took longer to make sure vaccines were safe, so we shot ahead...
Then AZ started to be withdrawn for younger people and we needed mRNA vaccines, which the EU had but we didn't... the EU caught up, some countries went ahead... meanwhile, who uses AZ now... anyone had a AZ booster?

Longer term, the EU chose the correct path.

But you won't hear that from BJ or a Brexit Govt.

....and maybe thats the problem, our politics dictates where we get our news.

Yes Ireland is also an island and has its own issues with that too, it could also leave if it chose to do so.

I don't think Ireland has the exact same issues though, for starters they have much more space, beautiful open countryside, they're not as affected by the freedom of movement issues as the UK is.

@PoseyFlump

Where have I said that you voted Leave?

@FishBowlSwimmer

Ireland may have space but they have an even worse shortage of housing than the UK.

And they don't want to leave. On the contrary they are absolutely pro-EU.

Their economy is doing very well, while the UK is in the shit.

And they've taken 54,000 Ukraine refugees, which is huge for a country their size.

anyone had a AZ booster?

Astrazeneca can't be used for boosters because they don't work like that. All the vaccines are useful in their own right. Astrazeneca didn't need to be frozen and could be rolled out quickly to areas that didn't have facilities. The AZ and mRNA vaccines work in different ways.

Okay you have a point, but the effectiveness of the vaccines (all of which were hypothetical at the time and no one knew which would be successful, in fact a large number of potential vaccines didn't even make it to testing, lots of EU sponsored vaccines didn't get made) was pot luck at that stage, the fact is we invested in many vaccines and got them first because we made quick decisions and had we still been tied to the EU decision making machine we would not have been able to do so. We invested in Pfizer and many other vaccine types as well as AZ.

Clearly the OP is disingenuous, OP is looking for an excuse to complain that Brexit has made their job more difficult and express the contempt they feel for those responsible.

Yes. The OP has used the word 'genuinely' twice in the opening post but I don't think they genuinely want to debate it. And not once has the OP stepped in and replied to the numerous posts shouting 'racists' which if you're asking for genuine debate you should address.

The incredibly slow reaction from the EU regarding the pandemic, vaccines, etc., does highlight what an inefficient and complicated system they have with regards to decision making I'm not sure what Brexiteers mean when they keep trotting out this untruth. The UK had the highest number of deaths in western Europe - how is that a win? Genuine question. In any case, different countries all did their own thing - there wasn't some EU-wide ruling. I'd love to see some genuine benefits, but like the British fishermen in the excellent video posted by @ShellsOnTheBeach I'm struggling to see any. Interestingly I was having exactly this conversation with a Brexiteer friend of the family when I was back in the UK last week - she came up with the delightfully vague "sovereignty", but - like so many people - was then unable define what this actually meant. In the end she said she was happy she was now able to have a blue passport - then opined that her EU passport still has seven years left to run on it. She'll be 88 by the time she qualifies for a blue one - if she lives that long.

Pay and conditions has never been worse for those in Education IMO, what jobs do you refer to?

@FishBowlSwimmer

Disingenuous?

Well you can think what you like.

This thread was all about my job becoming harder directly because of Brexit, I live it Every. Single. Day.

I wanted to know if anyone had the flip side of this. Some people must be benefitting from Brexit. These are the people I want to hear from and which sector they're in.

She'll be 88 by the time she qualifies for a blue one - if she lives that long.

Did you tell her she was a selfish racist? Has it occurred to you that she was hoping for a better future for her family if you doubt she'll live long enough herself to see a benefit? 🙄

@PoseyFlump

I can't control what other people write. If posters have written something offensive - report them.

You're right I don't want to debate.
This is not a debating question /thread.
I want to know if there is anyone out there who has benefitted from Brexit and what line of work they're in.
It's really not a hard question to grasp.

I suggest you step out if you can't actually answer my question

So far people have answered
Building
Universities
'Government work to do with Brexit'

but we are an island and have issues that are unique to us
I'm intrigued by this. What issues are you talking about exactly? Why do you think the UK is unique? All countries have their own issues. And Malta, Cyprus and Ireland are islands in the EU.

Did you tell her she was a selfish racist? - of course not. I asked her why having a blue passport mattered so much if the said passport meant opportunities to travel for the holder were now severely curtailed. She didn't really have an an answer, but said in any case she no longer travels abroad. I mean seriously - the only benefit she could come up with was having a blue passport - even though she won't get one for seven years and then she's never going to use it to travel anywhere.

No. I really really don't. From my lived experience Brexit is an utter cluster fuck and I am genuinely bored of having to navigate it every day I go to work.

If you aren't happy in your job OP then get another one.
That's what most intelligent people do.🙄

Unique primarily because for whatever reason more people seemingly want to live in the UK than those other islands that admittedly have the same or similar boarder logistics as we do.

We are a tiny island and overcrowding is a serious problem.

This is not a debating question /thread.

How did that turn out for you? Of course it's a goady thread. Just as you intended it to be.

There will be no big immediate benefits. It's going to take time. Posters on here have said their sectors have increased in work. We need to rebuild our industries in the UK. You can't do it all overnight. Like a previous poster said, it's always from the employers point of view, not the workers. And we may not have been in an 'official' recession since 2008 but for those on low wages we might as well have been.

I guess if brow beating an 80 year old woman made you feel better, good for you.