Genuine question - what does anyone like about Brexit?

[Pipsquiggle]

I have always been a committed remainer - I work in an industry that depends on seamless logisitics, particularly entering / leaving the UK. Brexit is a shit show for my sector.

Just had to pay £96.80 to UPS to release a package that I'd paid express delivery for, that should've arrived 2 days ago - I'm pissed off. The German firm has already agreed to reimburse me but it's all such a ball ache.

So I have a very bleak outlook when it comes to Brexit.

Genuinely, I would like to hear of good news stories around Brexit.
How has it made your life better?
If your pay has increased - how much by and which industry are you in?
If there has been a legal upside for you - which law and how has it helped?

I am genuinely hoping to 'reframe' my thoughts / feelings on Brexit and was hoping this board could help me

What has that got to do with being an island? Plenty of EU countries face similar issues. Borders still exist - you can't just move them. This just seems like British exceptionalism again - "only we have problems, nobody else could possibly understand ".😄

It is what it is OP, the past is gone time to move forward. As I said previously there aren't many obvious benefits currently, it will take years probably (hopefully it will be better for us all in the long run). That doesn't mean it was a bad decision necessarily, truth is no one knows right now. Currently we are still paying out to the EU so it's unreasonable to expect any financial benefits to show yet.

I'm sorry your job has been affected negatively by Brexit, I genuinely mean that OP. Sadly it often takes hardships in order to change things for the better.

I made that decision knowing there would be hard times, you had it thrust upon you for benefits you can't yet see, I get why you feel put out. But asking for proof it was beneficial at this stage is like asking a newborn to tie your shoe laces.

Many people have links to Britain through knowing the English language, having family here etc. hence why so many wish to seek asylum here.

Britain has invaded over 75% of countries of the world, colonising many of them. I think Braverman was a little ironic with her use of the word 'invasion'.

Perhaps after all these years, Britain are just reaping what the have sown.

Great for New Zealand farmers, demand for NZ milk and lamb through the roof. New free trade deal with UK far more favourable than it was apparently.

Please don't put words in my mouth, we are unique in that the UK seems to be a very popular place to live compared to the rest of the EU.

People would rather live here than anywhere else in Europe so it seems and we are seeing the effects with wage stagnation, over crowding, pressure on services. Until Brexit there was no way to control it, literally the whole of the EU could move here legally and claim all the benefits that go along with living in the UK.

Most other countries outside of the EU have tight controls over who gets to live there, it's so that people who do live there contribute more than they take. So that economically that country does not go bankrupt.

We all moan about budget cuts, etc.

like asking a newborn to tie your shoe laces

I like that analogy! 👍

And we should all pay for the failures of past generations and do nothing to mitigate it?

@FishBowlSwimmer

I'm not saying you are paying for the failures of your ancestors. However, you do need to realise there are reasons people are coming to Britain.

The blue passport?

And we should all pay for the failures of past generations and do nothing to mitigate it?

Exactly. People don't like change. "We can't ban fox hunting, people will lose their jobs". They don't want to make any difficult changes like giving up eating meat or flying less for the planet, even though it's the biggest issue facing us right now. Don't rock the boat. Just keep your cosy lives. Screw your children's future. At least some people tried to do something instead of just moaning.

Please don't put words in my mouth, we are unique in that the UK seems to be a very popular place to live compared to the rest of the EU.

Do you have any evidence for this statement @FishBowlSwimmer
For example a comparison of the number of migrants that different European countries have accepted over the past 5 years, with the UK accepting way more?

Are you on glue?

Here is one source for you to consider, although perhaps it would be more interesting if it were migrants per capita.
Sweden for instance had 80,000 migrants arrive in 2021 in a population of 10,000,000.

Sorry @FishBowlSwimmer I forgot the link.

www.statista.com/statistics/686124/net-migration-selected-european-countries/

@FishBowlSwimmer

"Asylum applications in Europe
Germany accepted the largest number of asylum seekers in Europe in 2018 at 75.9 thousand, while Sweden and Belgium accepted the second and third most respectively, with roughly 10.6 and 9.7 thousand applicants each. While Germany had the highest number of asylum seekers, it received far more in the last quarter of 2016 when there were 140 thousand accepted asylum applications.
Foreign born population
Germany was also the country with the highest foreign-born population in 2020, at over 15 million people. France 8.5 million people, while the small island-country of Malta only had 118 thousand foreign born people among its population."

Until Brexit there was no way to control it, literally the whole of the EU could move here legally and claim all the benefits that go along with living in the UK.

In fact there was. It was free movement of labour. If people hadn't found a job within three months they could have been thrown out. It was not the fault of other EU countries that the UK didn't bother to enforce this rule.

@jgw1 I think @FishBowlSwimmer wasn't talking about genuine asylum seekers but rather the Albanian men who are safe in France trying to illegally gain entry. This is what would be considered ' a popular place to live'. You're talking about two different things.

the UK didn't bother to enforce this rule.

Well there you go. Brexit achieved one thing then.

@PoseyFlump can you point me to where in @FishBowlSwimmer post that I quoted or the posts that @FishBowlSwimmer was replying to they said anything about Albanians?

Please don't put words in my mouth, we are unique in that the UK seems to be a very popular place to live compared to the rest of the EU.

Presumably @FishBowlSwimmer won't be happy that you appear to be putting words into their mouth.

What that the UK is no longer not enforcing an EU rule, because we have left the EU and so the rule no longer applies.

Big win that.

What has asylum seekers got to do with EU freedom of movement? People who are from the EU didn't need to seek asylum, they had an automatic right to live in the UK, not would they be able to as their countries were considered safe.

Non EU citizens continue to apply for asylum, a visa, or just turn up as they've always done.

What that the UK is no longer not enforcing an EU rule, because we have left the EU and so the rule no longer applies.

sledgehammers and nuts come to mind. Let's trash our economy because we can't be bothered to enforce a rule.

I’m glad we can now ban live export of animals which was impossible whilst in the EU. No idea why this hasn’t been actioned yet.
the trouble is that the gov have made such a mess of everything for which I blame them not Brexit.

If you’re talking about jobs I have seen on here that wages have gone up in some sectors as a result

Overall we haven’t been hit - I did get a £103 charge but got it all back from French company

Me too regards the export of live animals and the crap Government.