Genuine question - what does anyone like about Brexit?

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I have always been a committed remainer - I work in an industry that depends on seamless logisitics, particularly entering / leaving the UK. Brexit is a shit show for my sector.

Just had to pay £96.80 to UPS to release a package that I'd paid express delivery for, that should've arrived 2 days ago - I'm pissed off. The German firm has already agreed to reimburse me but it's all such a ball ache.

So I have a very bleak outlook when it comes to Brexit.

Genuinely, I would like to hear of good news stories around Brexit.
How has it made your life better?
If your pay has increased - how much by and which industry are you in?
If there has been a legal upside for you - which law and how has it helped?

I am genuinely hoping to 'reframe' my thoughts / feelings on Brexit and was hoping this board could help me

No. I really really don't. From my lived experience Brexit is an utter cluster fuck and I am genuinely bored of having to navigate it every day I go to work

I would genuinely like to hear ANY good news stories on Brexit on how it has practically improved people's lives

Yes, it will be. Much like to EU started as the European Steel and Coal Community, expanded as other nations joined, realised they needed to adapt and standardise, became the EEC evolving into the EU via Maastricht Treaty etc. But that would likely be a positive and beneficial evolution (for EU members. More negative for outsiders who are frozen out).

Has anyone noticed that when asked to explain the positives Brexit it always gets reduced to "nasty mean girl remainers are just calling leavers thick" rather than explaining the positives. Could it be there aren't any major ones so the only thing to do is to have a tantrum?

I cannot see that there are any positives to Brexit. If we were living the leaving dream, we might have noticed by now how much better everything feels and how free we are to do what we like. We are not and don’t feel it. The population of the UK is materially less free now - freedom of movement lost, labour and worker rights eroded, environmental standards falling, lack of workers strangling the economy. Arguably, the government is more free to do what it likes, but unfettered by the EU they seem intent on garnering power for its own sake and enriching their friends - that is only more oppressive and impoverishing for the rest of us.

Well what a helpful addition to the debate, thank you. Are you 6 years old or something, just stating 'you lost get over it'. How very articulate. Anyone would think it turns out that you haven't got any positives to proudly declare after all....

@Winter2020

This is why I wrote the question on this board not on Aibu.

I was hoping that someone could tell me that their pay had increased or that working conditions had got better.

I literally haven't met or heard anyone say anything positive about Brexit but that's because I work in an industry where seamless logistics are imperative. Basically I am in an echo-chamber of fellow remainers which isn't reflective of society

This is not a dig post

See, that’s exactly my point.
EU didn’t start as EU, it was something else, economical agreement between few countries. Then it grown and grown and add political aspects to economical agreement. Agreements evolve, but not always and necessary in the good way. Discontent with EU regulations is rife. EU will be replaced with something else someday and UK may want to rejoin - or not.

So where are all the committed Leavers falling over themselves to tell us all the benefits?

I'm in Ireland and whereas I do like to buy Irish as much as possible, I miss buying stuff from the UK.
With postage, plus extra customs and taxes because of Brexit, it's just too expensive.

The EU changes and adapts on a consensual basis with its membership. Isn’t that a good thing? You are talking like the structures were imposed on high by diktat without membership consent. That’s false. That’s what our elected MEPs and each state’s elected commissioners voted on. When the UK was unsure of the single currency at Maastricht, so the EEC flexed, adapted and bent to allow the UK opt outs, as the UK was considered a valued and key member. With much influence. Much of the human rights and international peace initiatives that the EU ultimately adopted was UK proposed, led and created. The UK was front and centre with much agency and power within the EU.

@CaronPoivre
In answer to your question (list some benefits) I have - two posts above your last post.

@Winter2020

In your posts you have mentioned immigration and pay/working conditions.

These are reasons why people may have voted leave.

But you actually haven't given any examples of how Brexit has improved things either for you or people you know.

Has Brexit helped improve immigration and/or pay/ working conditions for you?

Excellent posts @Winter2020 and without resorting to name calling 👏🏻👏🏻

It is lazy to just shout racist. No one suggests remainers are racist for only wanting free movement of people from countries inside of the EU. @Winter2020 hits the nail on the head and many people feel the same way about it. They are not racists. They are realists.

Too many clear disadvantages to Brexit now... no right to return channel migrants being a prime one.... how many crossed in 2018? when we had the automatic right to deport?

CEO of NEXT calling for the Young persons worker scheme to to be unilaterally re introduced into the UK to inc ALL EU nationals but our young cannot work in the EU... Great!

Loss of exporting opportunities...locked out of multi billion £ science programs... no say in european defence or border policy, locked out of EU criminal databases....

So i ve listed 6 tangible negatives... now you list 6 positives... you said there are pros and cons after all... show (this hard of thinking pro EU poster) how Brexit isn't idiocy?

oh and an estimated 4% off GDP.... and the situation in NI, with no Govt and NI in a separate customs arrangement with GB...

Anyone who still thinks this is somehow good for the UK is an idiot.

"Im fine with Brexit now, I think covid has messed it up and put it back, and I actually feel happy that we aren’t involved with the shower of shits in Brussels.

I do struggle to understand why people are still so aggregated by it."

@hamstersarse I work for a charity and our funding (as did the funding for majority of charities in NI) came from the eu. So we have no funding. None. We're running in reserves and are now talking about downscaling the provision we can offer and trying our best to avoid redundancies which at this stage is unlikely. Of course its the vulnerable people we support who will suffer the most long term. This will in turn place greater pressure on healthcare and education as we take pressure off those services as it stands. We're not alone brexit has crippled the charity sector in ni. So hopefully that will help you understand why people are aggregated about it still. Because there still is no long term clear plan to provide replacement funding.

@PoseyFlump

I disagree

@Winter2020 has not 'hit the nail on the head' - she hasn't answered my question. She is referencing 2 valid reasons why people may have voted Leave.

This is not a thread about why you voted how you voted, it's about has anyone out there been positively impacted by Brexit

I think there has been one comment so far about universities getting more students from around the world who pay more.

If it weren't for Brexit, Russia would have invaded Sweden and Finland before they could sign up to NATO. Brexit enabled the UK to throw them a lifeline.

Are we actually able to buy more powerful vacuum cleaners and light bulbs now than before Brexit? And does anyone actually want to considering how energy costs have risen?!

Gosh Im really hard of thinking today. I can't see them. Please can you do as a simple list of factually accurate benefits?

Oh don't be ridiculous.... what life line????

Russia hasn't the capacity to invade Sweden or Finland... as we can see in Ukraine.

Turkey is blocking their NATO membership and its the US that under writes European security NOT the UK.

But you ve made my earlier point brilliantly.

DSS was going to move to Spain but it was too tricky to get a visa. He has instead
moved to Australia on the new via scheme which means we won't see him for 3 years. If he was an asshole this would be great. (unfortunately he isn't 😭)

@Alexandra2001 so why do we have that agreement in place then?

On May 11th the UK agreed new deals with Sweden and Finland, pledging to support both countries armed forces should they come under attack.

@PoseyFlump

Is that a trade deal with Finland and Sweden?

Yep
it spurred us to sort DH and the DCs dual nationality out, it also spurred us on to accelerate our exit plans
DH did some work for a govt dept around Brexit and made a nice chunk on money from it